Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted August 13, 2002 OK, so we've seen him being protected for the last month or so. Plus, going over Chris Benoit & Eddie. But he finally loses last night, tapping out to Jericho, and what does JR do? Put over Jericho? No, of course not. "Bubba is still Bubba Tough, and don't you forget it!" Fuck. You. Chris Jericho has been buried ever since he lost the Undisputed Title. He finally (it seems) gets to go over somebody, making them submit to the Walls of Jericho no less, and all JR can do is put over Bubba. Fuck. You. What exactly do they see in Bubba? Surely the Dusty-cito character isn't impressing the higher-ups, right? The WWE has all this talent under contract, to the point where they're releasing talented guys from their developmental system, and Bubba is the one they see promise in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted August 13, 2002 realisticly though... What has Bubba done? he can't say "Sorry Mr. McMahon i would prefer to lose to Chris Benoit tonight" Lets face it. Yes, Bubba (a wrestler of average talent) went over Benoit/Guerrero (two of the finest wrestlers in the world), but since Benoit/Guerrero went on to SmackDown main events, and Benoit won the IC title. Meanwhile, "Bubba Tough" is stuck in mixed tag matches. He is goin nowhere, quite frankly. Personally, i think Batista will turn on D-Von, and then the Dudleys will re-unite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 13, 2002 But Spaceman- Bubba is a hoss bah gawd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Si82 Report post Posted August 13, 2002 But Spaceman- Bubba is a hoss bah gawd LOL. He might be a "HOSS" as bad old J.R. would say but I agree with Spiff, why the hell does he have to act like Dutsy, I mean is one not enough, if you wwwweeeeeeeellll! PUSH JERICHO DAMN IT!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Incandenza Report post Posted August 13, 2002 BionicRedneck is right: Bubba's goin nowhere--he's feuding with the Big Show, ferchrissakes!--whereas Benoit and Guerrero are mixing it up in the upper card. Who cares if JR gives him a little verbal blow job? It's not like it's doing anything. And Bob, Bubba is not a hoss, he is Bubba Tough. There is a difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Si82 Report post Posted August 13, 2002 BionicRedneck is right: Bubba's goin nowhere--he's feuding with the Big Show, ferchrissakes!--whereas Benoit and Guerrero are mixing it up in the upper card. Who cares if JR gives him a little verbal blow job? It's not like it's doing anything. And Bob, Bubba is not a hoss, he is Bubba Tough. There is a difference. Well what's the difference between being a "HOSS" and being "Bubba Tough"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted August 13, 2002 Bubba ain't a hoss. Hosses have to be tall, and muscular don't they? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Ruthless Aggressor Report post Posted August 13, 2002 I wouldn't say Bradshaw or Albert are that muscular. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted August 13, 2002 yeah, but they aren't pure fat like Bubba either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted August 13, 2002 "Get the tables!" Umm, this isn't a tables match, what are you doing? He's approaching Rikishi levels of annoyance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Flying Dutchman Report post Posted August 13, 2002 I can't believe how idiotic you people can be sometimes. Just because a person is overweight doesn't mean they are a bad worker. Haven't you ever heard of Vader? Bubba Ray Dudley is one of THE best workers the WWE has right now and all of you completely overlook it due to the herd mentality that thrives on this board, one of the tenants of which is apparently "So and so sucks because they're fat." Bubba is an incredible bumper and seller. Case in point, look at ANY TLC match to see his bumping abilities. As for selling, just watch any match he has. Bubba easily keeps track of what's injured and sells the injury throughout. Not to mention the fact that he isn't a pussy like half the other people on the roster and doesn't break his falls with his arms or legs. He always lands either flat on his back or flat on his face. Bubba ALWAYS executes moves crisply and smoothly (except in the case of Big Show who's size makes it tough for anyone to handle) and makes them look viscious at the same time. By the same token, he makes other people's moves look good as well. How many times have you seen Rikishi fuck up a Samoan Drop? He does it constantly. Well, every single time Bubba takes it, the move looks great. Why? Because Bubba even tries to make his opponent's moves look good. He has a great varied moveset, but even I'm stymied as to why he doesn't utilize it all. I know for a fact that he can do a beautiful double underhook suplex and does an evil looking version of the camel clutch, but they're not really seen all that often. He should work them in on a more regular basis. His in ring timing is excellent too. He makes the amount of time he spends on the ground per move conceivable, i.e. he's not getting up quickly after a DDT or gettng up slowly after an arm drag. I've never seen him miss his cue for the 3D when he was tag teaming with D'Von. And finally, he's a crowd pleaser. Say what you want, but he always gets the crowd into the match and I don't just mean with the "GET THE TABLES!" screaming. When a partner is looking for a tag, he yells at the crowd to get into it. When he's injured in a singles match or is in a submission, he'll scream to make the audience understand he's in pain, rather than just grimace and frown like some people. At Wrestlemania X-8, in the elimination tag match, he gets thrown out of the ring and while he's recovering, he yells to D'Von "Don't let him tag!" How many other workers out there actually throw in the little things like that? How many workers have the sense to actually talk to their partner in the ring? Not many, I can tell you that. Don't get me wrong here. Yes, Bubba is my favorite wrestler (next to Benoit), but at least I can back up my stance with good solid points. Meanwhile, all the rest of you can say is "He's fat." Is Bubba better than guys like Guerrero, Jericho, Benoit, or Angle? No, of course not. But he is a damn good wrestler and still on of the best the WWE has to offer the fans. Should he be going over guys like Benoit, Guerrero, or the other Smarks love slaves? No, not yet. He still needs to be built up more as a credible threat. So you guys can sit there and blast him all you want, but until you actually manage to put up a convincing argument as to why he sucks, I'm just going to continue looking at you as if you've just given a blow job to a horse. Oh, and Spiff...your signature rules. Long live Calvin and Hobbes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted August 13, 2002 I'll agree he's a good worker, and makes a pretty good mid-card player, but the WWE seems like they want to push him above that. I just can't see him in that role. It's not that he's fat. The Dusty character just makes him look like a joke, and JR's constant pimping of him wears thin. And it doesn't help that Chris Jericho played job boy to John Cena, while Bubba gets more protection than the President. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Flying Dutchman Report post Posted August 13, 2002 Well, like I said (or maybe implied or something), I don't agree with the level of push he's getting, but he is a good worker. There are other workers out there not NEARLY as deserving of a push as Bubba that get ones anyway (I'm looking at YOU, Rikishi). As for his character, I'd rather see him be pushed as a Cactus Jack-like (please note: I'm not saying he should be exactly like Cactus) hardcore character. If anyone could pull that off, it'd be Bubba. I can see Bubba keeping a position as an upper midcarder, but he doesn't need to be in the main event by any means. As for Jericho, he got a clean submission victory over Bubba and he'll be getting a victory over Flair at Summerslam, so I don't see what people are buggering about. And Bubba got a victory over Benoit at Vengeance. So what? Benoit and RVD are going to be tearing it up at SummerSlam and loss hasn't hurt Benoit at all. Sometimes people just pick the daftest things to bitch about. JR pimping ANYONE wears thin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted August 13, 2002 Bubba Ray Dudley is one of THE best workers the WWE has right now and all of you completely overlook it due to the herd mentality that thrives on this board, one of the tenants of which is apparently "So and so sucks because they're fat." BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Hes a tag team wrestler for life. Every match he is in is the same. If Bubba is one of the best workers in WWE, why doesn't he have good matches? I don't particularly dislike the guy, but to say he is one of the best workers the in the WWE is nuts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Flying Dutchman Report post Posted August 13, 2002 Like I said, I'm not going to take you seriously at all unless you can back up your position with some well thought out and rational points. Laughing and making another vanilla statement does not constitute those requirements. BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! NEENER NEENER NEENER NEENER~! OMG LOL R0XXORS~!1!!!!!1! Hes a tag team wrestler for life. Every match he is in is the same. If Bubba is one of the best workers in WWE, why doesn't he have good matches? 1) Lately, he's been working with Big Show in singles matches. 'Nuff said. 2) When he was in the hardcore division as the champion, it was a time when they were still using that dumbass "smack people with trash can lids until you hit your finisher" formula and the WWE didn't want to risk going beyond that formula into the cool matches they're having in the hardcore division now. 3) His only major PPV match that he's had since the split was a tag team match. How the hell is he supposed to have a good singles match if they only put him in tag team matches? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted August 13, 2002 As for Jericho, he got a clean submission victory over Bubba and he'll be getting a victory over Flair at Summerslam, so I don't see what people are buggering about I would have liked JR to say something like "What will happen if Jericho gets Flair in the WOJ at Summerslam," or something along those lines to build up the Flair/Jericho feud, especially after the way Jericho has been handled lately. Jericho is the one that needs some "pimping" leading up to the PPV, not Bubba. So, I guess my bitching should be directed moreso at the WWE than Bubba. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Flying Dutchman Report post Posted August 13, 2002 Well, I've always been of the mindset that JR's an idiot, so I completely block out the commentary when I watch. I didn't even hear JR say that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted August 13, 2002 His only major PPV match that he's had since the split was a tag team match. How the hell is he supposed to have a good singles match if they only put him in tag team matches? He is a tag team wrestler. Thats what he is good at. Either that or getting hit in the head with things. Name me one very good Bubba Ray singles match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Flying Dutchman Report post Posted August 13, 2002 Are you fucking stupid? Did you not just read what I said? You know, the part where I said... How the hell is he supposed to have a good singles match if they only put him in tag team matches? He's been in a few singles TV matches, but as I pointed out in my other post... 1) Lately, he's been working with Big Show in singles matches. 'Nuff said. 2) When he was in the hardcore division as the champion, it was a time when they were still using that dumbass "smack people with trash can lids until you hit your finisher" formula and the WWE didn't want to risk going beyond that formula into the cool matches they're having in the hardcore division now. In addition to that, singles matches on WWE TV suck due to time constraints. Before you argue with me, read my posts. NEXT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 13, 2002 Bubba did have a good match with Brock a couple months ago Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted August 13, 2002 in addition to that, singles matches on WWE TV suck due to time constraints. Before you argue with me, read my posts. NEXT. Im talking about Bubba (or Buh Buh) in his whole career. Basically it comes down to this. You are a Bubba mark. You are talking complete balls. You say "Bubba is one of the best workers in WWE". Really?, what are you basing that on?? the fact that he has never had a good singles match? which even you admit, but blame on the fact that he has to wrestle TV matches with time restraints. Um, yeah and so does every other wrestler. I would measure a good wrestler by how good his matches are wouldn't you? There is a reason Bubba is in Tag/HC matches. How can you honestly say Bubba is one of the best workers in WWE??? Benoit, Jericho, Guerrero, Misterio, Kidman, Chavo, The Rock, Angle, Noble, Hurricane, Booker, Edge, Christian, Storm, RVD etc. are all easily better than "Bubba Tough" Veterans like Taker and Flair still have better matches, not to mention Molly Holly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Flying Dutchman Report post Posted August 13, 2002 That would be the one on Raw, right? *smacks self* Of course it would be. That'd be the one where he landed flat on his face from the F5, unlike other people that like to land on their shoulders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Flying Dutchman Report post Posted August 13, 2002 Really?, what are you basing that on?? the fact that he has never had a good singles match? which even you admit, but blame on the fact that he has to wrestle TV matches with time restraints. Um, yeah and so does every other wrestler. I would measure a good wrestler by how good his matches are wouldn't you? Well, God damn, you *still* aren't reading my posts. What a surprise. Well then, here, allow me to repost the post where I explained my stance completely. I can't believe how idiotic you people can be sometimes. Just because a person is overweight doesn't mean they are a bad worker. Haven't you ever heard of Vader? Bubba Ray Dudley is one of THE best workers the WWE has right now and all of you completely overlook it due to the herd mentality that thrives on this board, one of the tenants of which is apparently "So and so sucks because they're fat." Bubba is an incredible bumper and seller. Case in point, look at ANY TLC match to see his bumping abilities. As for selling, just watch any match he has. Bubba easily keeps track of what's injured and sells the injury throughout. Not to mention the fact that he isn't a pussy like half the other people on the roster and doesn't break his falls with his arms or legs. He always lands either flat on his back or flat on his face. Bubba ALWAYS executes moves crisply and smoothly (except in the case of Big Show who's size makes it tough for anyone to handle) and makes them look viscious at the same time. By the same token, he makes other people's moves look good as well. How many times have you seen Rikishi fuck up a Samoan Drop? He does it constantly. Well, every single time Bubba takes it, the move looks great. Why? Because Bubba even tries to make his opponent's moves look good. He has a great varied moveset, but even I'm stymied as to why he doesn't utilize it all. I know for a fact that he can do a beautiful double underhook suplex and does an evil looking version of the camel clutch, but they're not really seen all that often. He should work them in on a more regular basis. His in ring timing is excellent too. He makes the amount of time he spends on the ground per move conceivable, i.e. he's not getting up quickly after a DDT or gettng up slowly after an arm drag. I've never seen him miss his cue for the 3D when he was tag teaming with D'Von. And finally, he's a crowd pleaser. Say what you want, but he always gets the crowd into the match and I don't just mean with the "GET THE TABLES!" screaming. When a partner is looking for a tag, he yells at the crowd to get into it. When he's injured in a singles match or is in a submission, he'll scream to make the audience understand he's in pain, rather than just grimace and frown like some people. At Wrestlemania X-8, in the elimination tag match, he gets thrown out of the ring and while he's recovering, he yells to D'Von "Don't let him tag!" How many other workers out there actually throw in the little things like that? How many workers have the sense to actually talk to their partner in the ring? Not many, I can tell you that. Don't get me wrong here. Yes, Bubba is my favorite wrestler (next to Benoit), but at least I can back up my stance with good solid points. Meanwhile, all the rest of you can say is "He's fat." Is Bubba better than guys like Guerrero, Jericho, Benoit, or Angle? No, of course not. But he is a damn good wrestler and still on of the best the WWE has to offer the fans. Should he be going over guys like Benoit, Guerrero, or the other Smarks love slaves? No, not yet. He still needs to be built up more as a credible threat. So you guys can sit there and blast him all you want, but until you actually manage to put up a convincing argument as to why he sucks, I'm just going to continue looking at you as if you've just given a blow job to a horse. Oh, and Spiff...your signature rules. Long live Calvin and Hobbes. READ DUMMY! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted August 13, 2002 Yeah, and you try reading mine... Basically it comes down to this. You are a Bubba mark. You are talking complete balls Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Flying Dutchman Report post Posted August 13, 2002 And if I was talking complete balls, I wouldn't be able to back up my points, would I? How's this? You realize you've lost the argument, but won't admit it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted August 13, 2002 I have backed my argument up. For the last time, so simple even a retard could understand: Good wrestlers generally have good matches, Bubba does not, and never has. Therefore is he "One of the best workers in the WWE"?, no. How's this? You realize you've lost the argument, but won't admit it. no dude, you lost when you said: Bubba Ray Dudley is one of THE best workers the WWE has right now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Man in Blak Report post Posted August 13, 2002 One advantage to Bubba's girth is that he can take better and bigger bumps, such as a clean F5 and the assorted bumps in the TLC matches. His in-match psychology is decent, but I don't think we've really had a great litmus test to determine whether Bubba is a great seller of "endurance" or an "ouch and KIPUP"-type seller like the Rock. He definitely connects with the crowd, which is a good thing, but I don't think you'll really see him breaking out a variety of technical stuff outside of said Camel Clutch and Butterfly Suplex...two moves that I've honestly never seen him do (or don't remember). And he didn't really mesh with others of that style either (Take the Benoit match from Raw a while back). So I'll play the middle - Bubba is one of the best workers in his particular niche (brawling/hardcore/highspot), but I certainly don't think he's really worthy of upper midcard exposure unless he's putting over somebody...which hasn't been happening a lot (barring the freak Jericho win). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Flying Dutchman Report post Posted August 13, 2002 Good wrestlers generally have good matches, Bubba does not, and never has. Therefore is he "One of the best workers in the WWE"?, no. And I shot that down by explaining that he hasn't had an opportunity to shine in singles matches. How are you supposed to be able to show how good you are when you aren't put in the situation? I can see his potential by watching his INCREDIBLE tag team matches, which include: TLC I TLC II TLC III Triple Threat Ladder Match vs. Edge and Christian, Standard tag match, Royal Rumble 2001 vs. Hardyz, Tables match, Royal Rumble 2000 Wrestlemania X-8, Four Corners Elimation match And before you can argue that those matches are all garbage matches, I'll point out that A) They were all technically and psychologically sound matches where the spots and moves done by everyone were executed to almost perfection. B) There's even a regular old tag match in there that is excellent in quality despite having no gimmicks attached. And I can't believe you aren't going to acknowledge the point that PPV matches, by nature, are almost always going to exceed TV matches due to the extra time allowed. How exactly are you going to say Bubba sucks at singles matches when you haven't even seen him in a PPV singles match? I can say he is a good worker and has potential as a singles wrestler because I've seen him in PPV Tag Team matches and other random singles matches along the way (like Barron pointed out, the match with Lesnar) where he's exhibited his skills. Unless you can point out where or exactly how he consistantly sucks, I'm going to simply assume you're talking out your ass, presumably because your head is stuck up it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted August 13, 2002 I agree, If Dutchman had said "Bubba is a very good stun/spot worker" i would have agreed, but the ridiculous claim was the Bubba was a great wrestler, which is clearly absolute shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted August 13, 2002 INCREDIBLE tag team matches, which include: Wrestlemania X-8, Four Corners Elimation match It seems me and you have a different opinion of what "INDREDIBLE" is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
