How far is too far in "shock radio"?

[Guest Xstasy]

O & A were on the road to firing long before this. They were funny ass bastards, but when you're a public personality, you gotta know how far is too far. Some of the racist things they would have on their show offended the piss out of me, but its easy for me to recognize people for the morons they are. 50% of the time, they were quite funny. The other 50% they were tasteless idiots struggling for Stern-esque popularity.

 

And what the hell is with these wannabe anarchists who always feel the need to mess with "organized religion." I love how trendy that's gotten nowadays, it would make me sick to my stomach if it weren't so damn funny. How dare anyone criticize the faith of another just on principle. The fact of the matter is billions of people find sensibility, purpose, and a meaning to this rat race of life through "organized religion," including Atheism, and its their own right as free-thinking people to do so, regardless of the problems people associated with certain faiths have caused in the past or are causing now. I think many religious hierarchies need to get over themselves, but so do the people who want to run with that popular "organized religion sucks" Bullcrap.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Well, I figure it's pretty tasteless, and obviously illegal, what with indecent exposure, lewd conduct, and all that...

From what I heard on the news, they were just simulating sex by making sounds for the radio. There was no indecent exposure. I think that they are just in trouble for the lewd conduct.

 

Xstasy, I don't really want to start yet another Religion vs. No Religion argument because I've been involved in enough of them already, but I do want to say a few things.

 

I'm personally against organized religion because I think people should come up with their own faith and not follow someone elses like a bunch of sheep.

 

As far as this incident goes, I'm always happy when some messes with the Catholic church because they deserve it. Catholics have always been known to look down on people different from them and try to force their ideas on other people. Groups like the PTC are a perfect example for this. Plus we are talking about a religion that for decades didn't feel the need to report cases of sexaul abuse which involved rather young boys. So it is OK for the priests to mess around with young boys, but it is bad for a couple to pretend they are having sex in a church. In my opinion, the Catholic church and all of it's sub-groups are the wrong people to be preaching about morales. Until they get their own heads out of their asses, they shouldn't be trying to get other people fired or get TV and radio shows cancelled.

[Guest Xstasy]

Yeah. I've heard all of that before. But Catholicism isn't the only religion that has bad events in their history. My point is insulting people's faiths because you disagree with the principles therein is rude at best. And insulting people's faiths because of the mistakes of people in the past, and even a limited few in the present, shows a lack of knowledge and understanding about the issue and the faith in question.

 

Its not a matter of religion vs. non-religion. Its a matter of respecting someone's freedom to adhere to their own faiths and beliefs. No one knows my personal experiences but me, so how dare they call me a mindless sheep for my faith because of what they ignorantly think my faith is about. There have been some brutal Catholics in the past. There have also been some brutal Atheists and Autotheocratics. Organized religion, disorganized religion, and no religion are not defined by the people who abuse their freedom to act and to choose. They are defined by principles that one must understand in order to ascertain an intelligent opinion about the faith in question. Which is why it cracks me up to see people jumping on the "I hate organized religion" bandwagon, almost as much as it cracks me up to see the

"I hate gays" southern baptists boycott ABC and Disney.

[Guest Retro Rob]

I'm not insulting people's faiths just for the hell of it. In case you didn't notice I do have my reasons. If you don't agree with them that's fine, but I am not blindly saying something is bad just to piss people off or disrespect others.

 

Now when you say that Catholicism may have made mistakes in the past, I wouldn't consider the last few months the past. This cover-up of sexual abuse has been going on for DECADES and up until a few months ago. That my friend is not the past, it is the present. I also wouldn't consider this scandal to be a "few limited" cases.

 

I'm also not infringing on your rights as an American to chose to follow what ever religion you want. I could care less what you personally chose to do. I AM NOT personally attacking you. Although I do think the concept of "organized religion" where every follower has essentially all the same beliefs is a little far-fetched, but if that's how you want to spend your Sundays go right ahead. I also do have an idea what it means to be Catholic. My family is all Catholic and I was baptised/confirmed, against my own will of course, so I do have an idea as to what the religion's morals and principles are whether you want to believe it or not.

 

I really don't feel like arguing about this anymore because we could go on forever and obviously you don't seem to interested in continuing this debate either since you've already heard all of my material.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

i hjate shock radio, but instead of complaining about it...i just don't listen, that's what everyone should do

But this is sex in a public place, a place where you force everyone to view your acts, and damn it, there are some people I just don't want to see nude. Personally though I think the April Fools prank they pulled in Boston was worse as it involves causing panic.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Yeah. I've heard all of that before. But Catholicism isn't the only religion that has bad events in their history. .

Which is exactly why I don't follow any of them, and never have. I was raised atheist, was never baptised or confirmed or any of that, nor have I ever been to a church service. I have read the bible twice, and didn't get anything as far as deep meaning and guidance. In fact, were I to walk into a church, I'd probably burst into flames. I agree with you about the whole "bandwagon" thing though. Being as set in my beliefs as I'm sure you are in yours, I don't want a bunch of kids trying to turn that into a passing fad just to piss their parents off. This topic is about a radio show, and not god, although it's turned into that, and I'm as guilty as everyone else for it.

 

ANYWAY, if they weren't even actually having sex, then this entire thing is retarded. What's the difference between that and just standing outside the studio with a mic and moaning?

[Guest Xstasy]

I have to somewhat agree with you Agent. When people suddenly decide to turn your beliefs into a fad, it gets real annoying really quick. That's happened to me tons of time. And it pisses me off when people do that, on many levels.

 

But regardless, I can't agree with the "Organized Religion is crap" mentality. Perhaps for personal reasons, I can respect that viewpoint. But when people adopt that mentality based on reasons that could just as easily be applied to other situations, it just doesn't seem right.

 

Our government covers up all kinds of scandalous and illegal behavior all of the time, from civil rights injustices to substance abuse. I don't think its right to do so, but I CAN see why they'd rather not make these occurances public domain. Not to mention the fact that few people will come out and say "I hate America," or even more generally "I hate organized government." Hell, the University Education system is the biggest load of crap since "the world is flat." The kind of ridiculousness and scandal that goes on there is just mind boggling. But "I hate education" just sounds stupid. Yet with religion, many people feel the need to bash and hate, for what I believe is really an issue of belief, but I could be wrong.

 

My point is, it makes no sense to hate organized religion because of the problems within them. Any organization period will have problems. That doesn't mean we don't have need for them, and that people cannot be positively affected by them. If someone hates organized religion because they disagree with all of the doctrines presented in every organized religion, well- that makes sense. Its not a view I agree with, but it does make sense. But I'm sorry, every catholic does not condone or participate in sexual activity with minors. Just like every athiest doesn't murder people and eat them. Just like every black person does not sell drugs. Just like every woman isn't necessarily a bad driver...

 

Well, three out of four ain't bad...

 

[Guest Retro Rob]

But regardless, I can't agree with the "Organized Religion is crap" mentality. Perhaps for personal reasons, I can respect that viewpoint. But when people adopt that mentality based on reasons that could just as easily be applied to other situations, it just doesn't seem right.

 

Our government covers up all kinds of scandalous and illegal behavior all of the time, from civil rights injustices to substance abuse. I don't think its right to do so, but I CAN see why they'd rather not make these occurances public domain. Not to mention the fact that few people will come out and say "I hate America," or even more generally "I hate organized government." Hell, the University Education system is the biggest load of crap since "the world is flat." The kind of ridiculousness and scandal that goes on there is just mind boggling. But "I hate education" just sounds stupid. Yet with religion, many people feel the need to bash and hate, for what I believe is really an issue of belief, but I could be wrong.

 

My point is, it makes no sense to hate organized religion because of the problems within them. Any organization period will have problems. That doesn't mean we don't have need for them, and that people cannot be positively affected by them. If someone hates organized religion because they disagree with all of the doctrines presented in every organized religion, well- that makes sense. Its not a view I agree with, but it does make sense. But I'm sorry, every catholic does not condone or participate in sexual activity with minors. Just like every athiest doesn't murder people and eat them. Just like every black person does not sell drugs. Just like every woman isn't necessarily a bad driver...

 

Well, three out of four ain't bad...

 

OK, now this little debate seems more civilized...

 

Firstly, I'm not aganist organized religion because of scandals. That is why I'm against Catholicism, but we have moved on from that subject, so I'll continue to ignore it.

 

Alright, I don't like organized religion because I believe that all people should come up with their own beliefs. I don't like it when someone tells me, "I'm Catholic/Jewish/etc.", yet this person does not follow all the rules set by their religion. I'm not saying that somone like that can't be religious, but I don't think someone should consider themselves a member of a specific faith if they don't actually follow it in whole. SO, I think that someone could believe in Jesus and not go to to church or pray. If that is the case, I don't think the person should consider themselves a member of the Catholic religion because if they do then they are simply hypocrites who only follow the parts of the religion that appeal to them. Therefore, I just want to do away with organized religion in the hopes of doing away with most hypocrisy.

 

Obviously there are some people who may follow their religion 100% (generally the elderly), but in a few decades most of them will probably be dead, leaving Catholicism, Judaism, etc. with nothing more than millions of hypocrites. Maybe you think I'm wrong with my assumptions as to how many people really are followers of their religion. As far as I'm concerned though, that's the way it is/will be in a few years.

[Guest Ripper]

I'm gonna have to say that no person folllows their religion 100%. It goes in to that whole nobody is perfect thing.

[Guest Retro Rob]

I'm gonna have to say that no person folllows their religion 100%. It goes in to that whole nobody is perfect thing.

But aren't they supposed to try. Failure is OK as long as the effort is there, which more often than not it isn't.