Should Kids have rights in school?

[Guest Prototype450]

Should kids have rights in school? That's the question. Kids get hardly any or no control of what happens at school. (Do you really think the student council really makes the decisions?) The Staff acts as our parents (that's what they tell us.) and just recently at my school we can get tested for drugs. But then if we try to do anything about it such as protest we'd probably get into trouble.

 

If there is anything unfair that happens at your school post it here.

 

(Godthedog I used fact to back up my question )

 

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GTA: Vice City and Ray Liotta come to your PS2

OCTOBER 22.

[Guest J*ingus]

I had some horror stories from my high school a few years back, but recently the students have been forced to wear ID BADGES at all times during school. This, in an upper-class public school with practically no history of serious crime or violence. They just wanted to control them that much more. Crap like this is going to cause another Columbine, not prevent it.

 

Oh, and there was the one time that they disqualified one of the candidates for student president because of a lame but harmless joke he made during his speech. Thing was, there was only one other candidate, so she won by default. Of course, this would make me even angrier if the student council actually had ANY powers to speak of.

[Guest Prototype450]

Thank You jingus. That's the shit im talking about

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Well, I graduated high school a couple few years ago, and we were just starting to wear dogtags and shit like that. No drug tests *thank god* but they had the dogs come in ever couple months and sniff at the lockers. If they did piss tests though, literally 30 or 40% of the student body would've been suspended. I'd say about 65% of the school smoked pot, and about half of that group did so daily, or at least more than 3 or 4 times a week. Other than that, our school wasn't too bad about the gestapo thing. Most of the teachers were really forgiving about trivial stuff. For instance, I came in late and stoned every single day my last semester there, and the teacher didn't give two shits. Of course my senior year was a joke, since I'd completed all my credits and stuff my first three, not to mention the fact that I'd already taken all of the AP and Honors classes I was going to take. My last year consisted of music classes, creative writing, French, astronomy, and a chemistry seminar class where we adressed our teacher by his first name, and were basically allowed to run willy-nilly in the lab for 9 weeks. One had to complete AP chem before taking the class, but other than that it was a blast. The only rules were that you couldn't make LSD, Nitro Glycerine, or use any animals more complex than fish. Just make the most of classes and don't fret the small shit, high school serves absolutely no purpose in the long run, aside from getting you to decide between college, tech school, ditchdigging, or jail.

[Guest JHawk]

They should have certain rights, of course. Swearing's borderline in high school (damn and hell should be OK, but I can understand F bombs being illegal), but my school had some petty shit. Some guy got detention once because he wore a NASCAR shirt that had a Budweiser logo on it. And the logo was about the size of the "add reply" box on these forums.

 

A year after I graduated high school, one kid had to turn an Austin 3:16 shirt inside out because they thought it was promoting religion. Of course, had he explained why it wasn't promoting religion they probably would have suspended him over it.

[Guest Ace309]

Well, it's a fine line.

 

I graduated in 2000. I remember feeling that a lot of trivial shit was really important... that they allowed posters for See You At The Pole and not for concerts, for example. And you know what? It was, because it showed a blatant bias on the part of the faculty. I wasn't allowed to use my Viagra drug rep pens, either, which pissed me off royally.

 

But on the other hand, schools are NOT the real world, no matter that teachers tell you about preparing you. You're dealing with a lot of people who are mature enough to handle themselves in the real world, but on the same token, you're dealing with a lot of people with chips on their shoulders for petty stuff and you're dealing with a lot of people who are nowhere near mature. At some point, there are going to have to be rules that patronize some people. Sorry. You can't tailor the entire school system to the top students, because that just reinforces the notion that people stay where they started off and have no opportunity to work up from the bottom.

 

Also, let me just say that the shit I've seen in this thread is BAD. Under no circumstances do I agree with random drug testing in school or forcing the students to wear ID badges. I think it's stupid that a student would have to turn an Austin 3:16 t-shirt inside out, but then again, I'd also rather not have kids walking around in thinly-veiled Klan or Nazi t-shirts that were JUST obscure enough to fool the teachers like my high school had.

[Guest redbaron51]

I for one go to a catholic school, meaning I wear uniforms.

 

Last year our school put in camera's in almost every hall way, and if you were not in class then you'd get in shit for being late (most teachers are very anal).

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"one kid had to turn an Austin 3:16 shirt inside out because they thought it was promoting religion."

 

LOL -- I don't recall an Austin chapter in the Bible...

 

Damn, I graduated high school 8 years ago and NEVER went through any of the things you guys are talking about. Glad I got out when I did...

[Guest Retro Rob]

I'm with KKK. My school is nowhere near that bad. Sometimes they would start new policies, like a dress code, but no one would actually enforce it. Cursing in school was more-or-less allowed. You could curse out a lunch aid and nothing would happen. Even most teachers didn't care. As far as cameras go, I think they have a few outside the building to stop graffiti. They gave out school IDs, but never checked for them. The ONLY reason people would be suspended was for cutting classes, a lot of latenesses, or breaking the law.

[Guest cartman]

Jesus, I think they SHOULD be testing kids for drugs in school. When I was in HS I could say maybe 40% of my school smoked weed, which is really dumb. The only people that wouldnt want drug testing in school are the users.

 

ID badges are stupid.

 

I think teachers should be able to do MORE to control students as well because ya know somethin...until you turn 18 your NOT an adult and you cant do whatever they hell you want despite what you may think. In my school the kids ran over the teachers and it was pathetic because the teachers couldnt really do much of anything about it due to stupid laws. That brings me to another stupid problem I have with kids. Most kids get away with doin bad shit these days because Parents, nor teachers, can do a damn thing about it. WHy? Because there are dumbass laws that "protect" children. My father used to beat my ass when I did something wrong and ya know what? I deserved it, and it made me respect people in the long run. Esecially him. Parents are afraid to discipline thier kids because of the few dumbass parents to Brutalize their kids. I do know there are some parents that take it too far but I dont see anything wrong with a parent givin a kid a good ass kickin' when the kid fucks up. Hell if I had a kid(and when I do have a kid...) I would kick his/her ass if I cought her doin drugs or smokin cigs, or drinking underage. Why? Becaue I was tought what's right and wrong and what respect is all about. Thats something ALOT of people dont have these days.

[Guest EricMM]

My highschool changed buildings halfway through my tenure and the rules changed drastically with it.

 

Old building:

Open Lunch (kids can go anywhere as long as they're back before next period)

No I.D.'s.

Kids could also go anywhere during lunch they wanted to in the building

No cameras

Much less restrictions in general

 

New building:

Closed lunch, in the cafeteria ONLY

I.D.'s. Loss of an I.D. earned a student In School Suspension until they could get another one

Cameras everywhere

NO TRUST.

 

In the old school we were trusted to be back in time for lunch, and we did. It was up to us to be mature and make decisions, make the right decisions. Now that school is full of kids who don't make any decisions, and their responsability is replaced with disrespect.

 

People say that highschool kids don't know right from wrong, but that's such crap. Highschoolers have the ability to be parents, and the mental capacity to be REALLY smart and mature. It's just that kids these days get messages that they should be immature and rebellious, and extend their immature childishness past college years (See movies like Van Wilder) But it would be similarly easy to instill in children responsability.

 

I blame custodians. If we got rid of janitors, and made everyone clean up their own messes, kids would have to deal with the fact that you can't just walk away from a spill...

[Guest bob_barron]

I'm a recent graduate- and here's our school-

 

No cell phones

No muscle shirts

No spahgetti straps

Closed campus

 

It sucked but its not like anyone followed the rules

[Guest The Electrifyer]

I guess my school is pretty loose on the rules then. We're allowed cell phones, walk mans, disc mans, etc just as long as they don't interfere with class. Girls just aren't allowed to wear strapless shirts and we're not allowed to smoke on school property. Those are the only 2 rules besides bigger stuff like no weapons, no harrassment, etc.

[Guest Xstasy]

Also, you have to consider location. When I was in HS, my county was pretty dangerous for the most part. In fact High Schools were probably the most dangerous territories in the entire area. I was willing to give up certain freedoms for the security of knowing that no one would fire off shots during AP English.

 

We had ID badges at my school, but that was really the biggest action they took. My school had a very good reptuation. Most of the other schools had implemented metal detectors, X-Rays, and on-site police platoons.

 

Random drug testing doesn't really bother me to much, but if I'm not mistaken, that is illegal to do unless you go to a private school where you agree to those policies. Maybe this is only true in certain states though.

[Guest Retro Rob]

My father used to beat my ass when I did something wrong and ya know what? I deserved it, and it made me respect people in the long run. Esecially him. Parents are afraid to discipline thier kids because of the few dumbass parents to Brutalize their kids. I do know there are some parents that take it too far but I dont see anything wrong with a parent givin a kid a good ass kickin' when the kid fucks up. Hell if I had a kid(and when I do have a kid...) I would kick his/her ass if I cought her doin drugs or smokin cigs, or drinking underage. Why? Becaue I was tought what's right and wrong and what respect is all about. Thats something ALOT of people dont have these days.

So, if you had a, lets say 14 year old daughter, who was seen smoking a cigarette, you would "kick her ass"? I think that may be going a bit overboard. Maybe you got smacked around as kid, but generally speaking revoking a child's privileges is a more effective way of punishment than "beating the shit out of them". Maybe back in the day a parent could get away with that, but if a teacher, coach, or fellow student saw any bruises on your kid and the kid told CFS exactly what happened, there is a good chance you would be in serious trouble. Kicking a minor's ass isn't really as accepted as it once was even if you are their parent. It's called anger management and good parenting. You should read up on that before having any kids.

[Guest Some Guy]

My HS was pretty cool when I was a frosh. Open campus for Juniors and Seniors, Open ends (if you have a study hall 1st or last period you don't have to go) for the upper classmen, we could smoke in the back of the school just off the property, 1 dance per month, a freosh/soph semi and a junior/senior semi, a junior and senior prom.

Then the good principal left and they brought in a Femi-Nazi bitch to rule with an iron fist and left wing bullshit.

Her first Jihad was against us smokers and we won the battle until the town passed a law that would get us fined before my senior year. Then it was drunk kids at dances. She foolishly assumed that kids only got drunk because there was a dance so now they have no dances or semis, just the senior prom. I went to 2 dances (the first all school dance Frosh year and the Senior Prom, which I had to be dragged to) in HS so I didn't care when this shit started, but a lot of kids did.

Open Ends and campus were taken away before my Junior year and then reinstated after I left and have since been taken away again except for lunch.

I live in a nice suburb of Boston with no serious crime and they decided to waste tax payer money this year on having a cop at the school, who harrassed me when I went to visit this year. Only the front door is unlocked, so if you go out any other you can't get back in.

Plus she constantly forced "diversity" and "multiculturalism" down our throats at mandatory assmblies. My Junior year some kid keyed a swastika (sp?) in the wall of the bathroom, which had been painted black because *gasp* kids were writing stuff on the wall......... in the boys room of all places! Call the cops, call the mayor, call the press! Kids were writing on the bathroom wall! Better supress any and all fun and paint the wall black.

So the kid keyed the Nazi symbol in the black paint, the school pres, a Jew came on the annoucements crying about it and we had to go through months of sensitivity training and "focus days" because some dipshit made a bad joke. MLK day (which is a joke to begin with) became another forum for extolign the virtues of Jewish people as well.

 

I have no problem with Jews or any minorities but having common fucking sense forced down my throat over and over got really old really fast. I'm also not a fan of having people tell me what to think and how to think it, especially some bitch who's to the left of Lenin.

We had a representitive from the Anti-Defamation League come in of MLK day and tell us to love everybody but if we see someone doing something "hateful" we should isolated adn ostracize that person. Apparently I was the only one who saw the blantet hypocracy of that statement because I was the only one who laughed out loud. I stood up in the assemlby and asked, "So we should love everybody no matter how differnet they are from us, but if we disagree with them we should hate them?" At this point kids started laughing and teachers were apalled and pissed, a 17 year old kid figured out there bullshit all by himself! The women from ADL dodged the question by repesting the same thing she had said and that I translated into lamen's terms.

I'm glad I graduated, although that's not as bad as my college which I expect a statue of Marx to be erected at any day now.

[Guest Retro Rob]

I'm surprised so many of you guys had closed campus. We didn't have a middle school, so we had grades 7-12 one school. Every student no matter the grade, could leave the building for lunch.

[Guest DrTom]

Should kids have rights in school?

I love how people bandy about the term "rights" like just anyone can have them. Be legal definitions, "rights" implies the ability to enter into a social contract, which minors are not legally allowed to do. Kids in school should very restricted rights because they're still kids.

 

Kids get hardly any or no control of what happens at school.

That's because the teachers and administrators know better. High school kids think they know a lot, but the vast majority of them are windbags who know very little about how the world works. There's no reason to give anyone like that control over what happens.

 

just recently at my school we can get tested for drugs.

I'm of the opinion drugs should be legalized, but their use by minors should certainly not be encouraged. All schools should have good drug education programs in place, and the goal should be to discourage anyone from abusing their bodies utntil they're old enough and wise enough to make an informed decision.

[Guest Black Tiger]

When I graduated HS in 2001 I was lucky. Teachers had to wear ID tags and starting the next year Students had to wear them as well.

 

Girls were not allowed to wear outfits that exposed their backs or belly buttons, pissing off every male student in the school.

 

Campus was closed, but we left anyways, in fact my car was stolen off school grounds and I noticed it when I was trying to leave at lunch time, (the school tried to weasel its way out by saying they weren't responsible because I shouldn't have tried to leave in the first place.)

 

The BOYS bathroom doors were chained open, thereby forcing EVERY male to hold it untill school ended.

 

T-Shirts representing sex, drugs, or crime were not allowed to be worn (the teachers decided if the shirt was offensive or not) I had a dope t-shirt (dope is a band) and the principal tried to have me suspended over it, before I got my MOTHER invovlved and they left me alone.

 

My principal hated me because he could never get me on anything, so after my last fianl I purposly wore an old MR ASS T-shirt and walked by him so he could tell me to change it or go home. I went home (I just took my last exam I was going home anyways)

[Guest kingkamala]

My principal hated me because he could never get me on anything, so after my last fianl I purposly wore an old MR ASS T-shirt and walked by him so he could tell me to change it or go home. I went home (I just took my last exam I was going home anyways)

In other countries wearing Billy Gunn t-shirts you would be exectued for wearing such crappy wrestling t-shirts, so consider yourself lucky

[Guest cartman]

Ok I didnt mean that i'm gonan kick my kid's asses but I mean some kids need a belt to the ass if they do somethin really bad and plain old "time out" or "revoking privilages" isnt working. I'm just saying how I was brought up that's all. I wasnt abused I was punnished rightly.

[Guest hardyz1]

I graduated in 2001. There's a nice little story from that year (my senior year) but I'll get to the minor stuff first.

 

The school has always been closed campus and closed lunch as far as I know. During lunch, we even had to ask permission to go to the bathroom or our lockers or wherever. We were not allowed to leave school grounds during the school day unless we were leaving for an appointment or something. Hell, I remember one morning, before school even started (which was 8:00) these two kids were going to walk down to Sheetz to get something. This Sheetz is a 1 minute walk down the road from the school. The bitchiest teacher in the school was walking toward them toward the school and she bitched them out and made them go back.

 

When I was in 9th grade, they made some policy changes on fighting. All participants would have the cops called on them, even if they were defending themselves.

 

Smoking was not allowed on school grounds. No personal electronics were allowed whatsoever. I was listening to my portable CD player at lunch and one of the teachers made me put it away. Fucking lunch!

 

We had ID cards, but they were only used for getting library cards and lunch.

 

One day in 11th grade, the fire alarm went off, so we went outside. We waited, and waited, and waited, then after that we waited some more. Some 45 minutes after the alarm sounded, we were let back in to find that all the lockers were searched, and my lock (that I bought with my money) was cut. Apparently someone found a fucking shell on the floor somewhere, so they just had to search everything.

 

Then came the senior year, when shit was hitting the fan. First came the day when we were kept in homeroom while cops brought police dogs in the sniff the lockers. When I would stand by the door to see what was goind on, a cop would yell at me to sit down. Incidentally, my locker was in a sequential group of 4 that had to be searched. When they searched it, they found my materials for my research report. The subject of this report? Why drugs should be legalized. Heh.

 

Around March 20, 2001, there came some vague threat from some unknown punkass loser of a possible school shooting. That Monday when we came to school, they had metal detectors at the doors. This may have been OK, aside from the fact that there were only TWO OPEN DOORS which led to huge lines of SITTING DUCKS outside each door. Eventually they got four doors with two metal detectors each so there were no more lines outside the building. This went on for the remainder of the fucking year.

 

Thank <insert deity here> for the silly string, smoke bombs, beach balls and such during graduation. Oh, and the air horns. The kid that brought the air horns was blowing the things during the playing of the alma mater. It was like a final, sweet "Fuck you".

 

There was much more, but I can't remember it all and I've BSed enough already. There is the story about my 11th grade Physics class, but I already told that one in the General forum a while back.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Zero Tolerance policies on Drugs & Alcohol are the stupidest things EVER put into affect in highschools. My sister was an honor roll student that had too much to drink before she went to the dance. She wasn't a party girl who would get drunk before class or cut class etc......She screwed up ONE TIME, and she had NO alcohol on campus. She just made a mistake, and so she was EXPELLED from school. Most teachers thought her expulsion was total bullshit but the Vice Principal would not budge on the "zero tolerance" shit......All Zero Tolerance does is allow people in charge to NOT THINK about ever situation and just make a broad decision.....My sister wasn't one of those students that hated school and didn't want to learn. She got the shaft. Down with Zero Tolerance.

[Guest J*ingus]

Hell, reading all these makes me want to make a full, definitive list of the bullshit manipulative stuff going on at my alma mater these days. All of these rules are strictly enforced.

 

-Students required to wear ID badges AT ALL TIMES

 

-The Dress Code: nothing remotely offensive on shirts (any drug slang, anything remotely sexual like Big Johnson shirts, any "offensive" bands like Marilyn Manson). Shorts and dresses must reach within three inches of the knees. Tank tops, spaghetti straps, belly shirts, mesh shirts, or anything else more revealing than a standard short-sleeved t-shirt are all forbidden. Ripped jeans are not allowed. Anything even vaguely resembling gang colors is verboten. Trenchcoats are banned. No hats or headware of any kind. No sunglasses. And most insultingly, all girls are required to wear bras.

 

-School rules apply at ALL school functions, up to and including "away" games in another state.

 

-Completely closed campus, no leaving before the final bell without explicit (and hard-to-get) permission.

 

-Closed lunch, students are not allowed to leave the room except to go to the restroom.

 

-Stall doors do not lock in the restrooms.

 

-However, the metal rollover bars do indeed lock when they locked up the more obscure restrooms in the odd corners of the school.

 

-STRICT zero-tolerance policy, with very broad definitions of what constitutes a "drug", "intoxication", "violence", "harassment", or a "weapon". We had to go through miles of red tape just to use cap guns in a play, when the script required them.

 

-Speaking of which, our selection of plays was rather limited. We were mostly stuck with inoffensive schlock like The Music Man or The Diary Of Anne Frank, with something like Into The Woods being about as "edgy" as we ever got (and even that had the script edited a bit, the second act got chopped into hamburger).

 

-No smoking, including no smoking "paraphernalia". Yes, this means you get in deep shit if you've got a lighter.

 

-Closed classroom periods, no walking the halls unless you've got a pass from the teacher.

 

-Only three excused absences allowed per semester. "Excused" defined as having your parents come in with you and explaining it, and the school accepting the reason (which often doesn't happen).

 

-If you're absent for school one day, you aren't allowed to attend any extracurricular school activities on that day or night.

 

-No cell phones or beepers.

 

-No personal electronics beyond a calculator or PDA.

 

-No "affectionate" touching, hugging, kissing, or anything.

 

-Random locker searches, where they go through EVERY locker in the entire school.

 

-The school reserves the right to search the student or their car at any time.

 

-Student parking spots are only given to juniors and seniors. To get one, you have to wait in line forever, pay $50, and hope that you made it in before they ran out of spaces. You are only allowed to park in your own designated spot. Any vehicle parked in an unauthorized spot (whether there's a complaint or not) gets towed.

 

-The ROTC's rappelling tower was shut down, for "saftey reasons", despite there never having been a single accident or injury.

 

-The school's in-house news broadcasts and variety show, done in our own TV studio, was shut down and no explanation was given.

 

-A couple of nice little park areas, outdoor spaces within the building, were locked up with no explanation. They're overgrown with weeds now.

 

-A deck out back of the cafeteria, where seniors could go to eat outside, was closed after persons unknown egged the principal's car, which is kinda sorta within a stone's throw of the deck.

 

-The fairly generous seven-minute break between classes was shortened to an insane four minutes. This leaves nowhere near enough time for students who have to walk across the length of the building, and God help you if you need to use the bathroom.

 

-A twenty-minute break early in the day was shortened to ten.

 

-There are two different class schedules: "fixed" (same seven classes every day, in the same order) and "flex" (six classes per day, always in a different order, Wednesdays get out slightly early). They are both used, on alternate weeks. I have difficulty believing that aliens from space did not create this plan.

 

-No chewing gum. No food or drinks outside the cafeteria.

 

-No swearing whatsoever (including damn, hell, and god).

 

-The administration is INCREDIBLY oppressive when it comes to any kind of protest or walkout. They WILL expell you, so nobody ever does it.

 

-Any kind of non-sanctioned student publication (i.e., underground newsheets and the like) are strictly forbidden.

 

-The student council has ZERO power and authority. Every single thing they do must be reviewed and OK'd by the administration (and is shot down about half the time).

 

-As I mentioned before, sometimes the student elections were less than clean.

 

-The words "under God" were removed from the Pledge of Allegiance long ago, as was the moment of silence.

 

-Any kind of anything even slightly resembling a public prayer is not allowed. This extends to students wanting to pray for the football team to win before the game.

 

-One of the teachers actually refered to the principal as "the white master" in front of his class. No idea if he was punished or not.

 

And keep in mind: this is a school in a rich, perfectly safe neighborhood. I only recall one on-campus violent act that went beyond a fist fight, and that was just one idiot stabbing another one in the parking lot after school.

 

So can ANYONE explain to me the need for all that?

[Guest Black Tiger]

Jingus, Your school sounds like it sucks ass

 

My whole senior year was based around the stupid Asst. Principal trying to get me one something, (he had my sister years before and had all kinds of trouble with her, and I never was big into causing trouble)

 

My school gave us three minutes to get between classes. One day I get to class and ask to use the bathroom and the teacher tells me "no, do it before class". The next day I take her advice and am miliseconds late (the bell hadn't stopped ringing when I walked through the door) and I get detention for being late.

 

The worst thing that happened was a bomb threat in May of 2000 where the administration said only seniors could leave...provided they can drive. I was a junior and about 300 students, almost none of them seniors walked out. One time some idiot tried to light the soap dispensor on fire and set off all the alarms, after that they chained open the boys bathroom.

[Guest Retro Rob]

I can't believe you guys have to put up with all that shit. Makes me appreciate the two rules that my school would sometimes enforce.

[Guest danielisthor]

i graduated high school 12years ago. basically, students should have little to no rights. You are there to be educated, and prepare yourself for when you are out of school, nothing else should matter. I believe that if most students were doing what the hell they are suppose to be doing, most of the crap that is taking place IE: camera's in the hall way, id badges, metal detectors, drug sniffing dogs, wouldn't even be going on and/or be even needed. The fact that large amounts of the student body are out smoking pot, skipping class, etc. etc. are the reasons that this crap is going on. Basically, you little shits are f***ing yourselves in the a$$. Your GPA's drop, the parents want to know why, they find out that you little pissers are out screwing off and instead of smacking the common sense back into your heads, they bitch at the School Board who then inturn install all the new crap that you guys are bitching about right now. Wise up, before they start inplanting tracing devices under your skin.

[Guest EricMM]

i graduated high school 12years ago. basically, students should have little to no rights. You are there to be educated, and prepare yourself for when you are out of school, nothing else should matter. I believe that if most students were doing what the hell they are suppose to be doing, most of the crap that is taking place IE: camera's in the hall way, id badges, metal detectors, drug sniffing dogs, wouldn't even be going on and/or be even needed. The fact that large amounts of the student body are out smoking pot, skipping class, etc. etc. are the reasons that this crap is going on. Basically, you little shits are f***ing yourselves in the a$$. Your GPA's drop, the parents want to know why, they find out that you little pissers are out screwing off and instead of smacking the common sense back into your heads, they bitch at the School Board who then inturn install all the new crap that you guys are bitching about right now. Wise up, before they start inplanting tracing devices under your skin.

And my reply is that while some of that, most of that can be true in situations, I think that these methods merely tell children that all kids will be bad, and that they cannot be trusted to make proper decisions. A kid told that will not, s/he will merely sit back, grumble, and lose all respect for authority he may have once had.

 

You can defend some of these rules, but not all of them. ID cards are a complete joke. The dress requirements as jingus said, are VERY insulting. Noone should be parading around in a bikini top, but teenagers are DEFINITELY intelligent enough to wear what clothes they want, and any restrictions you put on skirt length etc will be intentionally broken. I just don't think the school should care whether a girl is wearing a bra or not. It's just not that important.

[Guest fk teale]

We only had one stabbing in my five glorious years of high school, too. It won the guy an expulsion. The only other expulsion was the time some fucktard snuck into the girls' changeroom to get his grope on. The fallout from these two events? A letter to parents explaining the stabbing, and counseling for the ogled girls. And, uh, somehow life went on without everyone getting barcodes tattooed into their foreheads or being put through a body cavity search each morning. Not only can't I explain those regulations, I hadn't even conceived of most of them until I opened this thread. I wasn't sure what an "open campus" was when I first read it, as I'd never heard of a closed one.

 

Regulations on girl's underwear? Bathroom doors chained open for viewing? Your principals were japanese, I'm guessing?

[Guest KoR Fungus]

<<<i graduated high school 12years ago.>>>

 

We're all very proud of you.

 

<<<basically, students should have little to no rights.>>>

 

No rights? Neat. Corporal punishment rules.

 

<<<You are there to be educated, and prepare yourself for when you are out of school, nothing else should matter.>>>

 

If all that matters is education, then wouldn't you think it would make more sense to focus on education than on administrative bullshit? You learn more sitting in class than standing around the hall waiting for your locker to be searched. You learn more sitting in class than sitting in a cafeteria as punishment for not having an ID. You learn more sitting in class than being sent home for having inappropriate clothes. Most security procedures take time and effort, which could be spent on, gasp, actually teaching.

 

<<<I believe that if most students were doing what the hell they are suppose to be doing, most of the crap that is taking place IE: camera's in the hall way, id badges, metal detectors, drug sniffing dogs, wouldn't even be going on and/or be even needed.>>>

 

That's perhaps true, but the good kids suffer as much or more than the bad kids because of silly security. It's worth sacrificing the education of the good kids to try to force the bad kids to be good students? The bad kids aren't going to be good students no matter how much security there is. None of my friends smoked pot, had weapons or even skipped class much, yet they were hurt just as much, if not more, by dumb policies as the people that they're made for.

 

<<<The fact that large amounts of the student body are out smoking pot, skipping class, etc. etc. are the reasons that this crap is going on. Basically, you little shits are f***ing yourselves in the a$$.>>>

 

Us little shits? Lol, everyone in this thread is probably a high school graduate also. Stop acting like you're a parent talking down to kids.

 

<<<Your GPA's drop the parents want to know why, they find out that you little pissers are out screwing off and instead of smacking the common sense back into your head

they bitch at the School Board who then inturn install all the new crap that you guys are bitching about right now. Wise up, before they start inplanting tracing devices under your skin.>>>

 

You sound like a bitter high school assistant principal talking down to a bunch of disobedient freshmen, which is a pretty pathetic attitude to have in an intelligent discussion between adults. Very few if any of the people in this thread are still in high school, so you're not better than any of us.

 

You make a decent point when you say that if all high school kids were perfect, no one would ask for security that potentially infringes on student's rights. Of course, realistically, that's not going to happen, and then you have to decide whether it's worth sacrificing student's rights, and sacrificing class time, to force students to learn and to keep an atmosphere that fits a conservative morality. Imo, it's not worth it. If someone doesn't want to go to class, they should have that option, it's their life. The parents can deal with it if they want. And while some standard of decency should be maintained, students should generally be able to wear or say whatever they want.

 

The amount of administrative bullshit we had to put up with for no particular reason at high school was just crazy. Straight A students were missing classes and getting unexcused absenses because they left their IDs at home. Administrators went table to table confiscating playing cards during lunchtime. You got a five day suspension if you were caught with a cell phone. Extra security was hired to keep students in a certain small area during lunch. We weren't allowed to be in the halls before or after school unless we had a written reason from a teacher. We couldn't even wait for busses inside the building. Students were standing in pouring rain waiting for the bus because asshole security wouldn't let them in the building. What does any of this accomplish? Absolutely nothing. It wastes time, it wastes money, in some cases it prevents learning, and it accomplishes absolutely nothing.