RVD NEEDS A Run with the Undisputed...

[Guest Cubbie78]

*thinks: how long was Bret the beswt technical wrestler in the WWE?...how loing did it take Bret to get the title?...he was like 37 right?....benoit is like 34...there ya go* My point is, dont freak out about giving the title to Benoit, he still has time, hell Hart wrestled till he was 41-42 and he was still God

[Guest Shanghai Kid 2002]

I'm serious, you can mark out and defend RVD all you want, but he's not as over as some people say. And he's not ready to be champion yet.

 

And Booker T could be the most over face if the WWE would give him a chance. He's had a very inconsistent push. If they would of pushed him hard after his win over Big Show at Vengenace, he'd be the man right now.

 

And yes, Ric Flair should be given one last run at the title. He can still put on a decent match and otherwise, what would be the whole point of this one last run of his? To lose to Jericho than retire? I don't think so.

[Guest Cubbie78]

*takes the crack pipe away from shangai and pulls the earplugs out of his ears and takes the blinders off his eyes* Now maybe you can hear all the pops, chants during his matches, and everyone in the whole FUCKING arena doing the pointy thing when he does

[Guest BionicRedneck]

RVD is NOT as tall as Stone Cold.

Well, if you look at my post I said "about as tall".

 

RVD is around 6 foot, right?

 

SCSA is around 6 foot 2, right?

 

hmmm, you're right I was waaaaaaaay off.

 

I'm serious, you can mark out and defend RVD all you want, but he's not as over as some people say

 

He sure is a hell of a lot more over than you said.

[Guest Angle-plex]

I'm serious, you can mark out and defend RVD all you want, but he's not as over as some people say. And he's not ready to be champion yet.

 

And Booker T could be the most over face if the WWE would give him a chance. He's had a very inconsistent push. If they would of pushed him hard after his win over Big Show at Vengenace, he'd be the man right now.

 

And yes, Ric Flair should be given one last run at the title. He can still put on a decent match and otherwise, what would be the whole point of this one last run of his? To lose to Jericho than retire? I don't think so.

RVD is more over than Booker T. I think it was about 400,000 people tuned out for Benoit vs Booker on RAW a few weeks ago.

 

I'm betting you'll say that's because Booker hasn't had a consistent push, but niether has RVD. If they gave RVD the push the give Test, he'd be selling out arenas all over the world. Instead, he has been going on and on without a good feud since his unfinished one with Austin.

 

I would also rather see RVD champ than Flair. He an still put on a decent match, sure, but I would rather see some new blood with the belt than men past their prime.

[Guest Brian]

"*thinks: how long was Bret the beswt technical wrestler in the WWE?...how loing did it take Bret to get the title?...he was like 37 right?....benoit is like 34...there ya go* My point is, dont freak out about giving the title to Benoit, he still has time, hell Hart wrestled till he was 41-42 and he was still God "

 

Fact is that Bret didn't suffer a career threatening injury until the concussion and Benoit is coming off major neck surgery. It's hard to gauge those kinds of things, and Benoit did come back very strong.

 

"In my eyes, the go-to guys right now are Eddy and Benoit, even if they might not seem as over as, say, RVD or Edge. Those two are getting more over by the day...and I like them heaps. Booyah."

 

I agree with Eddie, I think it's too quick to expect that from Benoit.

[Guest Cubbie78]

You got to admit Brian, he did come back strong, he hasnt doesnt some of his more impressive stuff yet (ie the dragon suplex, pulled out the rolling germans only a couple of times) but he is getting back to form, and austin came back from maybe a worse neck injury, and he was great....just saying, I LOVE Benoit, have him Angle, and RVD fight for the title every week and Id be a happy man

[Guest ShooterJay]

RVD is not nearly as over as he used to be, and he's not ready for the Undisputed title.

 

However, he would have been ready months ago, if the WWF hadn't lost patience with the Invasion angle until after Survivor Series, and done an RVD/Austin program after No Mercy.

 

That said, he's my favorite guy in the company, and I'll think he'll be ready soon, probably after 'Mania.

 

Heck, I like Brock too, but the fact he's getting the belt after less than six months, before RVD, Benoit, and hell, even Edge or Eddy is just criminal.

[Guest Rabbi_wilson13]

It's all about the push, really. When Benoit was IC champ defending every show, getting like the first clean win over Rikishi, people feared him. Then he got paired with Shane O' Mac and couldn't get any credibility if he tried.

 

Out of all the people you've said, Angle is first by a mile and a half, and then it's RVD. Booker, Benoit and Eddy could be there, but frankly, they're not yet. A consistent push would get them there.

 

But people love RVD. Look at his match with the UT when it looked like he had won the title. They were going nuts. He's over, and with the right program (vs. Angle at Wrestlemania) he would be a huge draw.

 

A couple people have brought up Jericho, but I think he can be where he was before. Have him play the chickenshit heel, as long as he wins. I don't think heels look weaker when they win cheating unless its outside interference. I don't want to see that every match. But a low blow leading to something, or using the ropes or an exposed turnbuckle? They're heels. They're supposed to cheat.

 

Imagine where Jericho would be now if they hadn't paired him up with Steph. Or he had won the Hell in a Cell. He'd be getting to the Dirtiest Player in the Game level like Flair was, beating up on the poor faces with nasty tricks and great promos.

 

Bottomline: Serious potential for all these guys, and Angle and RVD are the closest to reaching it. Well, Angle already has. Just give him the belt.

 

Idea! What if Rey beats Angle, he's all upset, doubting himself, then Brock wins the title. Angle comes out, talks about he's an olympic champ, not some rinky-dink NCAA champ, and then proceeds to beat Brock. It be kinda like Bret, losing to Owen, then winning. Then Angle can have a monster reign until somebody (RVD, Booker, Edge, Eddy, Benoit) beats him at Mania. Could work.

[Guest Brian]

Benoit came back very strong. when Austin was fully repaired he was very strong. But I'm still hesitant about pushing guys quickly after injury, especially in Benoit's case where he could really use some re-establishment.

[Guest Cubbie78]

Ok, granted, I see what your saying..build him up some more thats fine with me, thats the point I had with my post about Bret Hart, dont rush it to him to quick...

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

Idea! What if Rey beats Angle, he's all upset, doubting himself, then Brock wins the title. Angle comes out, talks about he's an olympic champ, not some rinky-dink NCAA champ, and then proceeds to beat Brock. It be kinda like Bret, losing to Owen, then winning. Then Angle can have a monster reign until somebody (RVD, Booker, Edge, Eddy, Benoit) beats him at Mania. Could work.

 

I'd mark the fuck out for it

 

Wont happen, and some smarks would hate it. But I'd definetly mark the fuck out for it.

[Guest jester]

The way I look at it is that RVD should be put in a Championship program as soon as possible. Not necessarily win the belt tomorrow night on Raw, but put him in the hunt for it.

 

They had a golden opportunity with the Dusty finish win over the Undertaker. I hate Dusty finishes like most people, but if you're going to do one, doing one to trigger a feud is the way to do it. RVD can make a legitimate claim for a rematch. This triggers a long program with Taker as he refuses to give one to RVD. As far as I know, he never got a second chance and didn't go around asking for one. He should have.

 

I think WWE's attitude is that RVD is one guy they have "in the bank." They know he's over just by being RVD, so he's a safe bet if they get really desperate. But they want to try to manufacture a new superstar (Edge) so they don't have to use their last dollar in the bank, so to speak.

 

I don't agree with this thinking--if RVD doesn't make some meaningful progress fans will probably lose patience.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I'm going to skip most of the usual posts that people made in this thread that they make every day...

 

and move on to Booker T:

 

He's still not as over as RVD. He also has had far worse matches than RVD with the 2 people that RVD has had his worst matches with (Taker and Brock) plus a shitty match with Eddy...and a worse match with Benoit...It can go on but I'll end that line and move onto the over thing.

 

Here's what's over:

 

SUCKAAAAAA

 

Spinaroonie.

 

Not Booker T, Not his comebacks...the crowd is dead during his matches. Because his gimmick is over...not him.

 

Booker T is behind RVD on the list any way you look at it.

 

Why does RVD "deserve" it?

 

1. Most improved wrestler on the roster

 

2. Unique

 

3. Unlike Taker, HHH, Brock (in 3 hours anyway) and Hogan...he doesn't suck.

 

4. No one else on the roster has been consistently over for the last full year.

 

No one.

 

Not even Angle who's face turn bombed and had little heat at the end of 2001.

 

No one.

 

Hell...even the Hardy's got no heat when they feuded and had to be taken off TV.

 

No one.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Austin was well over until he left.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

And your point is?

 

He hasn't been there the whole year has he?

 

My point is that RVD is the most dependable, over person they have.

 

Period.