The One And Only Smackdown! Thread

[Guest Slapnuts00]

I GAVE him a chance before I dismissed him. I gave him a chance to get over and have good matches before he won the belt.

he IS over, hence the mix of boos and pro chants. That' s what I define being over as, a mixed crowd reaction because everyone cares about the guy. Unlike chanting along something to someone's music because it's a thing fun to chant , that's not the definition of over...

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Does just now getting a crowd reaction mean anything? Hell..the Hurricane used to get one hell of a reaction.

 

Give HIM the belt, stat!

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Oh, please.

 

RVD gets a good entrance reaction, pops during matches, and people genuinely care about the guy.

 

Lesnar's reaction is a reality burp.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

Does just now getting a crowd reaction mean anything? Hell..the Hurricane used to get one hell of a reaction.

 

Give HIM the belt, stat!

I LOVE how at first you say he gets no reaction, and then claim he does and make up another excuse. Hurricane is a crusierweight with a comedy gimmick, Lesnar is the next big thing. Deal with it.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

He's been getting no reaction for months.

 

He gets a reaction at Long Island, and at Smackdown. Big whoop.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

Oh, please.

 

RVD gets a good entrance reaction, pops during matches, and people genuinely care about the guy.

 

Lesnar's reaction is a reality burp.

I love RVD, if it was up to me he'd be champ months ago. But that's not happening I guess. They feel Brock has the better look (he does) and has that unstobbale monster force which is needed to lead the shows. RVD does some great moves, but isnt too much of a threat. There's no doubt his pops are massive though.

[Guest CanadianHorseman]

"I thought it was one of the best smackdowns...ever..."

 

I agree. Now, if only they had run THIS show on Monday instead of Raw, we'd really be cooking!

 

Also, Ravishing, *I* am looking forward to the Brock/Taker match...sorta. I am really digging Brock right now, so everyone needs to step off his nuts just for a second.

 

If Brock can have some good matches down the road with Benoit, Angle and whomever else, when he does drop the title to Angle (which appears to be the plan of action), it will be cathartic, especially for you AS. By the way, did you enjoy anything on Smackdown?

[Guest Anglesault]

So Brock is over, and Kurt isn't? Okey Dokey.

 

 

-I really digged the main event as they used Taker in the best possible way

 

Yeah, The Crossface, Angle Lock and Angle Slam arepetty little things that don't need to be sold.

 

-Ok, they've established Lesnars 'ass-kicking' ways again with the Hardy squash, so lets stop that and just focus on making Taker/Brock the best Storyline in the longest time.  It can be done.  I have faith in Paul Heyman (the most probable reason lesnar is on Smackdown -other than fear of over-exposure- is because Heyman can have full control in the main event.  Heyman is good with the archetypes and should know what to do *crosses fingers*.  I know lots of people here think the match will be horrible (ok, everyone here) but if they can make the storyline compelling enough it doesn't matter how shitty the match will be, the fans will still be *into it*.

 

What's the storyline? Brock is champion and Taker isn't? Seat my seat? Ninety percent of it is unused because I'M ON THE EDGE OF IT!

[Guest Slapnuts00]

He's been getting no reaction for months.

 

He gets a reaction at Long Island, and at Smackdown. Big whoop.

See, now that he's the champion he gets a reaction. I guess it's working.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

You know..if you have to give a guy the freakin' World Championship to make the crowd give a shit..eh..

 

There is something wrong.

[Guest Anglesault]

especially for you AS. By the way, did you enjoy anything on Smackdown?

The silver ring steps were bitchin'.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

So Brock is over, and Kurt isn't? Okey Dokey.

Anglesault, Im not here to start a fight, I'm just trying to understand your definition of over. Brock gets cheer, boos and chants. Just like Angle. So I don't see how it's any different, that they like to chant " You Suck"? I mean if some face called Brock "Hamster" and the fans chanted "Hamster" woudl that make him more over? And what does him resembling anything have to do with how effective he is. Angle looks like a giant penis now, it shouldn't make a difference.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

The difference: Angle's been getting them for months, while being treated like a joke.

Lesberg is just now getting them, after being treated like a "bah god monster"

[Guest Slapnuts00]

You know..if you have to give a guy the freakin' World Championship to make the crowd give a shit..eh..

 

There is something wrong.

So I guess RVD doesn't need to be World champ. See? Why bother wasting the title on him if he already over on his own. If the title makes Brock more over than it's an effective use of the title.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

There's that little thing..oh..y'know..

 

"Pleasing the fans".

 

Should talented, over guys be fed to some Heatless Wonder..and sit there while he gets treated like a god because he looks bigger than they are?

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Taker/Brock is a classic new guard/old guard storyline, but it offers some very interesting twists.

[Guest Anglesault]

The title shouldn't be used to try to amke unover guys over. That just devalues it. It should be used to vring over guys to "the enxt level"

[Guest Slapnuts00]

There's that little thing..oh..y'know..

 

"Pleasing the fans".

 

Should talented, over guys be fed to some Heatless Wonder..and sit there while he gets treated like a god because he looks bigger than they are?

It's something called the chase, slow burn, build up! You people are never pleased! Look, they're giving Brock the Jesus push to imprint in our minds HE CAN NOT BE BEAT. HE IS UNSTOPPABLE! Then when most likely Angle or RVD finally stops him, they will be even more elevated. I just dont see the problem here.

[Guest Anglesault]

Taker/Brock is a classic new guard/old guard storyline, but it offers some very interesting twists.

Like what? I can't think of anything interesting about the aging reneck biker who no sells the boring unover hamster.

[Guest Anglesault]

There's that little thing..oh..y'know..

 

"Pleasing the fans".

 

Should talented, over guys be fed to some Heatless Wonder..and sit there while he gets treated like a god because he looks bigger than they are?

It's something called the chase, slow burn, build up! You people are never pleased! Look, they're giving Brock the Jesus push to imprint in our minds HE CAN NOT BE BEAT. HE IS UNSTOPPABLE! Then when most likely Angle or RVD finally stops him, they will be even more elevated. I just dont see the problem here.

It would be much more effective if the face(RVD) wa schasing someone the fans gave a shit about (Angle.) We TRIED Lesnar/RVD. NO ONE CARED. I wonder what must have been going through the Vince's mind.

 

"Hmm, Brock just killed RVD for the 800th time this month to dead silence yet again. GIVE HIM THE TITLE DAMNIT!"

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I fully understand the "chase" concept.

 

But why is Lesnar so special that he gets skyrocketed over everyone else? He's only Albert with a more limited moveset. Why not someone..oh..charismatic, and proven?

[Guest Slapnuts00]

I fully understand the "chase" concept.

 

But why is Lesnar so special that he gets skyrocketed over everyone else? He's only Albert with a more limited moveset. Why not someone..oh..charismatic, and proven?

Because he's been built as the next big thing. He's huge, has scary tatoos, a legitimate background, a creepy neck twitch and and murders his opponents in quick fashion with the f5 or a triple power bomb. He is the model monster heel. If this was 1986, I'd be aticipating Hogan beating him. In this case it will probably be Angle. I just don't feel like arguing anymore, because it's not like Lesnar's my favorite or anything. I like both RVD and Angle better, but I understand and support him as champion. I can see where their going with it, and it's better than Triple h to Hogan to Undertaker to rock crap we've been getting.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Taker was 'the next big thing' in 1991. He took out Snuka, he took out Hogan, he took out Roberts, he took down all the 'legends' at that time. Just like Brock is doing now. Where Brock had his wins by TKO, Taker had his wins by Bodybag. Brock has the f5 where Taker had the tombstone. Twist #1: Former Monster vs. Current Monster.

 

Taker is not only the 'original monster' of the Wwf, he is also the monster slayer. He has put all the 'unstoppable wrestlers' in their graves. From Kamala, to Yoko, to Giant Gonzoles, to King Kong Bundy, to that damned fake Undertaker. Twist #2: Monster Slayer vs. New Unstoppable Monster.

 

Taker has seen all the 'next big things' come and go. He saw the end of Hulkamania in the early 90's, he saw Hart, Michaels, Hall and Nash, and even Austin come and go. Taker has been the eyes of the Wwf, he has been the watcher. Now he sees this new kid claiming to be all that and more. Twist #3: Grizzled old vet who's seen it all vs. The Next Big Thing.

 

The old guard/new guard storyline is rarely done in the Wwf, but throughout wrestling history it has been very successful. From Misawa/Jumbo to Austin/Hart to Sting/Flair it has always managed to enthrawl viewers since it deals with something we all know full well... Mortality. And if the Wwf does this right, they could make some VERY compelling television in Brock vs. Taker.

 

The fans love Taker. His drawing power is iffy as he has had some highs and lows throughout his career. But one thing cannot be disputed and that's the fans' connection with the deadman. When Brock breaks that connection, when Brock beats the deadman, when Brock does what the hitman, austin, michaels et. al couldn't do, when Brock does what all the monsters couldn't do, when Brock dismantles the undertaker you don't think he'd be a made man?

[Guest CanadianHorseman]

"The silver ring steps were bitchin' "

 

Yes they were. Honestly, though, you didn't enjoy any of the matches tonight? You didn't like the opener? What about Mysterio? C'mon Anglesault, you don't watch an entire show for just one wrestler...do you? You enjoy wrestling for other reasons as well...right?

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

The Wwf planned on Lesnar champ even before he debuted. Why Lesnar? Probably because he was the best guy who could pull off the 'rookie monster' gimmick.

[Guest the pinjockey]

So Brock can take over the dead man's legacy of being a company man, locker room leader, and one of the greatest ever in the WWF despite never drawing a dime.

[Guest CanadianHorseman]

Wow, excellent post, Ravishing. I truly am impressed by your grasp of WWF history.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I find it hard to believe that Taker, a man who has been in the company for over a decade and a man whom has loyal fan support 'never drew a dime'. The Undertaker/Austin series drew some big ratings and big buyrates.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

The only thing is..

 

Most of us have SEEN this. Repeatedly. It's the pattern for every Hoss Heel in the WWE. It's not "new", it's not talent, it's not charisma. It's size, and look.

 

So what if he's got a legitimate background? He sure hasn't shown any flashes of brilliance. Potential remains just that until seen. Potential. It's not a reason to give a guy the TOP BELT in the buisness.

 

It's like they've made an exception, and said "Here, have our belt.".

 

What about the guys who've been busting their ass, and saving the company when Austin left, Rock was gone, and Trips sucked. What does that say for loyalty, or dedication?

 

What does that say about your buisness, when you stick the major title in the company around the waist of the Next New Hoss?

 

Thing is, this is not the 1980s. Big Guy v Top Face dosen't work. Look at all the other hosses they've tried. If Lesnar winds up like the Big Show, the only thing I'm gonna do is laugh at the WWE.

 

I'll feel sorry for Lesnar, because this "too much, too soon" push will likely wind up wrecking his career.

 

What about Angle, Van Dam, Eddy, and company? Those guys have literally carried the company in ringwork the last few months. It's like saying "That's nice, but let's have a guy pull your pants down for weeks, or have you go nowhere for months, or job to a talentless walking ass."

 

I don't understand it. In Real World logic, it makes no sense.

 

But to the WWE's sick, twisted mind, it may.

[Guest the pinjockey]

The Wwf planned on Lesnar champ even before he debuted. Why Lesnar? Probably because he was the best guy who could pull off the 'rookie monster' gimmick.

Leviathan would have been much better in the role. Both look green as grass but at least Leviathan legitamately looks like a monster, Lesnar looks like a really big guy with a baby face. And also in the ring Leviathan explodes in his moves and just looks really really nasty. Lesnar does his thing and grunts but he does not really look that badass or anything.