Guest MrSCARY Report post Posted September 1, 2002 Great, HHH vs RVD. YAY!!! I get to watch one of my favorite wrestlers loose to some cave dwelling jackass! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bricks Report post Posted September 1, 2002 Test? Acting? In the same sentence? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh man, I hope he does get some parts though, just so I can see some unintentional comedy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted September 1, 2002 Who in the name of god told Test to get an agent?! "When you've been with Test, you forget all the rest" I mean seriously. Maybe he thinks his tits are what's been keeping him from landing the prime roles lately. As for HHH you'd think he could at least wait a couple months before burying RVD. And yes, a win over HHH could push RVD up to main event, but we've said that so many times lately with HHH vs. _____, only to see HHH run them over for no good reason. HHH has laid down for two guys this year, one who's 83, and another who will never wrestle again. Do you think he's lying down for RVD? Or Brock, for that matter? As for Brock, it sucks that Taker no sold his way through Angle and Benoit, but only to be fed to the new guy. Now if Taker returns the favor to Benoit and Angle in the coming months, then my burgeoning hatred for him could simmer down to a moderate dislike. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted September 1, 2002 I can answer that one for you real easy shanghai kid. How many people has HHH feuded with and that person came out looking good? I'm not talking about guys that are already top guys...I'm talking about guys that haven't yet reached the top...but are about too. Angle survived him...but he certainly didn't look strong during that feud. Benoit...nope...sorry. Immediatly after his HHH feud...back to the midcard with him. Jericho? Who was in the exact same spot as RVD is now? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HHH doesn't elavate people. HHH doesn't make people look credible. HHH will do the same thing to RVD that he did to Jericho. The exact same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 1, 2002 There's no way Triple H will leave RVD looking good. Look at Michaels, their friends and still Triple got the last shot. I miss Austin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted September 1, 2002 I will say this: HHH can go over RVD a million straight times in squash matches on free TV... and it still won't affect RVD's heat. HHH couldn't take away Jericho's heat when he was a face either...he had to wait until Jericho was a heel to do that. SO...RVD will be left looking bad...but fans won't care and he'll still be the most over face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 1, 2002 Until Triple H realizes that an RVD heel turn will bomb... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted September 1, 2002 Man...if people couldn't see the parallels between JEricho's WWF career and RVD's WWF career before... the near future should get them to take notice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 1, 2002 It did hurt Jericho though. He was over, but not credible. During the phantom switch he was perfect to win the title. The only other time he's been that ready is right after the No Mercy win with Rock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted September 1, 2002 That's true. But RVD has been credible enough for almost a year now...when he went over every top guy. He hasn't been jobbed out at all...and anytime they want to insert him into the Main Event...they could. I think it would take more than just jobbing to HHH to get that off of RVD. Not that they won't try. Must. Push. Edge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 1, 2002 Yeah, Jericho wasn't put over anyone in 2000. RVD will be fine as long as he doesn't turn heel or side with Steph. Steph and Trips on the same show is bad news for RVD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Psycho Diablo Report post Posted September 1, 2002 Great. If they kill RVD's career, that means I have Angle and Rey to watch for. That's about it. If some screwy crap does happen with HHH/RVD..Vince better wake up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted September 1, 2002 What's really messed up in my view is that RVD hasn't really ever lost. I mean...he lost to Eddy...but avenged those.. Lost to Benoit...but avenged that. The only person who really holds a distinct win record over him is Taker...and RVD looked better coming out of those...because Taker felt like trying I guess. RVD is protected to the point where he actually won the Brock feud if you want to get technical about it. But...they still don't use him. It gives me a headache. I miss Austin too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 1, 2002 Thank god for Heyman. He keeps RVD protected on RAW and gives me a damn good SmackDown each week featuring wrestling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jester Report post Posted September 1, 2002 You know, I'm almost optimistic about this. Sure, HHH is going to get in his squashes and more 20 minute promos, but I think bps is right--it won't hurt RVD's overness. He's just got natural charisma that makes the fans like him. HHH doesn't have natural charisma. WWE had to do him the hard way--make him hang out with other, more over guys, fed him legends, gave him constant pushes, a personalized theme song by Motorhead... They spent a gazillion dollars just get him sort of over. RVD basically showed up and everyone loved him. So put him in the ring with RVD, and I think the glaring differences between the two will become even more obvious. In order to make RVD unpopular, they are going to require twice the effort it took to bury Jericho. If that's what the intention is here, or it's HHH's effort to make himself more over by defeating RVD, I think it's going to backfire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cabbageboy Report post Posted September 1, 2002 Well, I cannot really see HHH burying RVD here. With Jericho, he had the decision overturned and he barely won the Last Man Standing but I don't think either of those really made Jericho look BAD. In some ways I don't even think that Jericho jobbing at WM this year hurt him that bad, because most people figured he was going to job. The one that put the nail in his coffin was the HIAC match. There was no remote reason why HHH needed to win that one. Now, if the IC title becomes the Raw world title in the near future....look out. We all know HHH will want his hands on that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted September 1, 2002 It was not the matches with HHH that made Jericho look bad it was HHH going out there saying I am going to beat you Jericho, proceeding to beat him cleanly, and then after the match saying you are good but you are not in my league and then Jericho is back to the midcard. Lather, rinse, repeat. And I believe a feud with RVD would be worse because at least Jericho could get some promo time, of course it usually consisted of "HHH really beat me up" or "Man nobody is as tough as the game", with RVD they probably won't give him the mic to get over on HHH and without promo time the only way to get over is to physically beat your opponent and we already know how that turns out when the opponent is HHH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted September 1, 2002 For the last few RAW's... RVD's poor mic skills bringing me "I don't want to be stiff for SS, well not too stiff", calling Big Show a Big Tool, and asking Jericho "What have YOU been smoking?" They've been some highlights of some piss poor RAWs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted September 1, 2002 Oh, I love RVD's mic skills. I don't think he gets near enough credit for his abilities there. I just figure that they are never going to give him mic time it's not a matter of him having the inability to get over using the mic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest chirs3 Report post Posted September 1, 2002 If he's got something to say, he says it well. Sometimes, though, it seems like he's just adlibbing, and it's kinda bad. But his mic work against Jericho was great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted September 1, 2002 It's pretty much guranteed that RVD will get no mic time regardless of what he's doing. In a HHH feud, he'll probably get lots of screen time, but it will just be standing around on the ramp while HHH talks about how he's not ready to play the game or something. Than RVD will get blindsided by Michaels, but it was really HHH all along or whatever. Point is, RVD won't need mic time, because he'll show up HH in the ring, no matter what kind of "I'm a heel now, I control the pace" crap he tries to pull. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted September 1, 2002 I want RVD to stiff HHH. I know what it will mean for his career in that company... but I want it anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 1, 2002 I'd rather have Regal stiff Triple H. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted September 1, 2002 But they're friends... and Regal having a job now pretty much gives him no motivation to do it. Jericho would be the best...since he has the most reason to want to hurt HHH... But I'll take RVD since...he's next. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyChosyu Report post Posted September 1, 2002 Another point of which Shangai Kid made that needs addressing: HHH with the IC title doesn't have to make sense from a logical booking standpoint (I mean, he's all over Raw, all the time) but hey, if it keeps Trips away from the world title, and away from possible jobs, they'll do it. Everyone wants to forget the HHH/Jeff Hardy "feud" but that was basically a case of HHH getting the secondary title in the name of "elevating" it, but in truth, trying his damdest to stay away from the World Title because it might mean doing a job (returning the favor to Austin, anyone?). I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I'm in no mood to give HHH the benafit of the doubt on this one. Rob is fucked, fucked, fucked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted September 1, 2002 Ricky's right as usual... If there is a hole to climb in where he won't have to job...HHH will be in it. The worst part is that he carries this flag that says giving him the IC title will make that belt more credible. That was the story when he beat Jericho for no reason for it in 2001. And it appears we are about to see the same thing again. But, honestly... what makes the IC belt look better: 1. HHH winning it again. 2. The IC champion defeating a top star like HHH. In all honesty...which one helps the belt more? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted September 1, 2002 I guess technically, if HHH has a long run and has close matches with lots of opponents it would elevate it. But if he's just squashing RVD to sit on the belt until Vince sics him on Brock (which seems possible), it helps no one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest chirs3 Report post Posted September 1, 2002 If RVD actually ends up going over Triple H at a PPV to retain the title, I will find out who decided to go with the logical booking and build them a WebShrine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyChosyu Report post Posted September 1, 2002 Seriously, that "rub" Trips gave it lasted for, what? two months? Test had it in short order, and still meant nothing. If they would just give someone a run like Benoit had in 2000, where they made it seem like everyone wanted a shot at the title and it was trully an important belt, it might get over. Recently, however, whenever they have someone who would be a good mold for the role (Guererro, Benoit again, ect.) they book them to feud with all of two people and then get it off them immediately. Hell, Rob would make one hell of an IC champion if they would let him have it for more than a month at a time. Back to the subject at hand, HHH will indeed hide in his whole. If you look at 2001, Austin/HHH would have practically written itself and the fans would have easilly accepted it, but instead we got the "Two-Man Power Trip" where Austin had no logical challengers and HHH got to squash Hardy and Jericho so that he could "elevate" the IC title. Balderdash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest eirejmcmahon Report post Posted September 1, 2002 The problem with the main event for the next PPV, as everyone here is more than aware, is that realistically they can only offer up three possible matches : Lesnar/Undertaker Lesner/Tripple H Lesnar/Angle Lesnar is a new champion and an unproven draw so it makes sense for the WWE to stick him in with what they perceive to be one of their big guys. Angle/Lesnar is something they want to build towards in the future. HHH, if we stick our conspiracy hats on for a moment, is waiting for the no-doubt dire buyrate from Taker/Lesnar to come in so he can save the company by pinning the new guy for the belt. That leaves us with Lesnar/Undertaker. At heart, this isn't the worst idea in the world, they need to continue building on Lesnar's foundation and putting him over a legend like the Undertaker should cement his place at the top of the card. In practice, well I think we all know just how much effort the dead man will put into putting Lesnar over. Sure I'd rather see Kane/Brock or RVD/Brock at Summerslam but as bad as an Undertaker/Brock buyrate will be, odds are it would outdraw both of the aforementioned. As for HHH/RVD, well, if nothing else it offers a chance for RVD to show some much needed intensity - it would be nice to see him CARING about the belt, or even CARING about the match he's in for once. I agree with BPS, the title would be elevated more by having a PASSIONATE RVD go over the big bad game. HHH losing on back to back PPVS ? Not as unlikely as you may think, when you consider that he can then go on to win the title. Having said all of that. Thanks to the efforts of the Rock, the WWE came out of Summerslam with a young new main eventer on their hands. Coming out of the next PPV, they'll more than likely have sacrificed said main eventer and squandered the chance to put both RVD and their intercontinental title to the next level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
