Europeans...

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I'd almost like to believe in some of these conspiracy theories. We can't even keep preliminary force projections secret; how the hell does anyone imagine we could keep an alien spaceship at Roswell under wraps? For five decades, yet?

Jesus. I wish we were that good.

[Guest bob_barron]

Marney-

There was a TV show called Roswell that said they did so its obviously true!

[Guest Cancer Marney]

You've got it backwards, Bob. For conclusive proof, it would have to be a TV show in which they said it wasn't true. The Jews control all the media, after all.

[Guest bob_barron]

Right- I forgot. Next SKBF will tell us the Holocaust never happened or something

[Guest Cancer Marney]

That, and the fact that the JFK assassination was actually carried out by CIA snipers...

[Guest Kingpk]

Don't forget that Al Gore is a cyborg from the year 2592 intent on world domination.

 

 

 

Well, how would YOU explain his personality?

[Guest DrTom]

Don't forget that Al Gore is a cyborg from the year 2592 intent on world domination.

 

So THAT's why he invented the internet! I knew there had to be a reason...

[Guest Cancer Marney]

<splutters in her beer, laughing> Okay, we've been over this already, and I would've had to give you that one anyway because it was goddamn funny.

[Guest TJH]

That, and the fact that the JFK assassination was actually carried out by CIA snipers...

I'm not giving any opinion of my own here, but who do you actually think killed Kennedy?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I am so not getting into this.

[Guest DrTom]

Christ on a cracker, SKBF, you just might be the most revolting cretin I've come across here. There have been quite a few that have gone down that road, but your perverse blend of unoriginality, petulance, immaturity, stupidity, and gall just takes the rancid cake.

 

"The moment he invaded Kuwait and wanted to take over the world's oil supply then we jumped up and went to war.

 

Why? Big Oil."

 

Wrong. Our oil consumption from that part of the world has been dropping for years. If you'd pull your head out of your ass long enough to read something other than The Loony Liberal Times, you might have known that. We went after Iraq because they invaded another sovereign nation, and we had the backing of the UN. I know you were probably about three years old when all of this was happening, but I was hoping you might have heard something about it in the intervening years.

 

"Then after the war is over, despite the fact that the U.S. never overthrew Saddam, the goverment places sanctions on Iraq and army bases in Saudi Arabia which pisses of the Muslims (including a certain Muslim named Osama Bin Laden). "

 

Boo fucking hoo. The sanctions were necessary so that Saddam didn't start marching into other countries again, while cooking up biological and chemical weapons. Our bases in Arabia were placed there with the blessing of the ruling family that we fucking put into power in the first place. Jesus, I hate dealing with the ignorant.

 

"Meanwhile, the sanctions killed thousands of innocent people because of the limits of the sanctions."

 

Prove it. Without posting some article you found on imabigliberalhomo.com. If you can't, then shut the fuck up and let the adults continue their conversation.

 

"Then in 1993, U.S. troops are sent to Somalia, where they kill more innocents futher pissing off the Arabs and Bin Laden."

 

Marney already dealt with you on this one, but I just wanted to add this: Fuck You. We went to that worthless shithole to feed the people who were being starved by their dictator. I don't think we ever should have gone in the first place, but we went there to FEED people, not to kill them. You must have a teacher who's an uber-socialist. I'd advise you to get off his jock and start thinking for your fucking self. Oh, and whoever gave you this incredibly warped and wrongheaded notion: fuck them, too.

 

"Then while our "great" goverment is busy prosecuting Bill Clinton for what he does in bed, Bin Laden bombs the U.S. Embassy in August 1998."

 

Considering that President Clinton was impeached, I don't see how the government was protecting him. Do you even have the foggiest idea what you're talking about? I'm really beginning to doubt the maxim about a thousand monkeys with a thousand typewriters producing Shakespeare. You're reading the works of at least that many monkeys, and all you've done so far is regurgitate a bunch of lukewarm shit. Tell them to smoke more crack and type faster next time, will you?

 

"Cut to Bush stealing the election in 2001 and this Conservative actually gets us ready for the attacks."

 

If there's ONE thing I'm tired of, it's the "Bush stole the election" argument from leftists who felt that changing the laws during the election was the best course of action. Fuck everyone who contributed to making "dangling chad" a part of the nation's vocabulary. Your boy lost fair and square, now shut the fuck up and deal with it.

 

"Continues with the prosecutions with Iraq."

 

Funny, I don't remember him hauling Saddam into court.

 

"Bottom Line: I wasn't that suprise when the first plane hit the World Trade Center."

 

Since you've shown yourself to be nothing more than a lazy moron who lets other, more eloquent laze morons do his thinking for him, I find it hard to believe you suddenly became Carnac. Here's a good way to test your ability to not be surprised: guess what the two words I say to you at the end of this paragraph will be. Hint: they rhyme with "duck too." Did you guess yet? Are you surprised?

 

Fuck you.

 

"Fuck George Bush. Fuck the army. Fuck the CIA. Fuck the FBI. FUCK THE U.S. GOVERMENT!"

 

Look, another graduate of the Mumia Abu Jamal School of Winning Friends and Influencing People. Really, if you're that unhappy with the country, if being here causes so much emotional distress, leave. Do yourself a favor. You could do us a favor by moving to a country without internet connections, but that's up to you.

 

"We should just have stayed out of the Middle East all together!"

 

This is where we can't do right by idiots like you. If we get involved, then we're just acting on our imperialist agenda. Particularly dimwitted folks will even say we were there killing innocents, because they have a sad, intrinsic need to believe any revolting tosh that's offered with a lot of emotion and no evidence. If we don't get involved, then we're heartless bastards who let innocent people die. So either way we go, we're just bastards who kill innocents. It's good that everyone on your side can have their cake and eat it, too. I wish you'd eat more, though, so we wouldn't have to hear you fucking bleat into the wind so often.

 

"You just don't get it."

 

Coming from you, that's REALLY fucking rich. That's so rich that Donald Trump gets turned away at the door, and Bill Gates has to take out a loan.

 

"Produced as a leaflet by the Middle East Information and Solidarity Collective"

 

Christ, "consider the source" has never been more apropos. You know, the Germans published some things during the 30's and 40's that were very favorable to the Nazis. On second thought, don't look into that. At least reading leftist bullshit makes you into a harmless imbecile.

 

I won't even get into a group like that using a fucking movie review as the basis for a political position. Let me just say that I'm not one bit surprised it appealed to you, and that you were probably their target audience.

 

"www.geocities.com/anti_imperialist_coalition"

 

So you're willing to believe something posted on a fucking Geocities website as opposed to what your own elected government tells you? There really is no hope for you.

[Guest DrTom]

I'm not giving any opinion of my own here, but who do you actually think killed Kennedy?

 

Al Gore.

 

He used his advanced, futuristic cyborg powers to kill the president so quickly, we never saw him do it. Later, he infiltrated our ranks by living among us as a wooden Congressman and Senator, since he was completely unable to replicate a human personality without looking like he'd sat on a large carrot. His ruse was even more clever when he took a busybodying shrew as his wife. Later still, he used his advanced cyborg mind to invent the internet, knowing it would be filled with all manners of people blaming everyone except him for the Kennedy assassination.

 

It's not much more far-fatched than some of the other theories out there...

[Guest TJH]

Actually, Elvis shot JFK, think about it!

 

Also, Dr.Tom did a complete job of disproving SKBF, so I'll just add this.

 

SKBF: Fuck you.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I'm really beginning to doubt the maxim about a thousand monkeys with a thousand typewriters producing Shakespeare.

The question no one ever thinks to ask is, what happens to all the dung produced during such an experiment?

 

In light of SKBF's posts, I think it's safe to say:

 

Now we know.

[Guest J*ingus]

Tom, I doubt I'll ever see you in real life, but if I do, then I owe you a beer for that one. Full 1.0 Teale.

[Guest TJH]

Check SKBF's website.

 

"http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling3/wrestling-a-holic/Page1.html"

 

My God, what a loser.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

*Bows in the presence of the good Doctor, and Marney*

[Guest NoCalMike]

I think all these new wave wars and invasions have to do with what the public percieves as important. 90% of the public probobaly barely knows about the somalia incident in 1993, they only know Saddam and Bin Laden. Therefore even if it is pointless and will be worthless. The government is gonna talk about how important it is to get these two guys because that is all Joe Blow knows as bad and evil....

[Guest Michael Joel Benoit]

Makes sense. Hell, I didn't even know about what happened in Somalia until after September 11.

[Guest MD2020]

Look, another graduate of the Mumia Abu Jamal School of Winning Friends and Influencing People.

 

Sir, this is a great line. Your entire argument was sound and good, but this really made my day.

[Guest bob_barron]

Wow. That was just wow.

 

SKBF- You got so OWNED.

[Guest Michael Joel Benoit]

Okay. I was pissed at your response. So, I am going to look at what you wrote:

 

"Christ on a cracker, SKBF, you just might be the most revolting cretin I've come across here. There have been quite a few that have gone down that road, but your perverse blend of unoriginality, petulance, immaturity, stupidity, and gall just takes the rancid cake."

 

I'll let you know that I am a straight A student who is interested in politics.

 

"The moment he invaded Kuwait and wanted to take over the world's oil supply then we jumped up and went to war.

 

Why? Big Oil."

 

"Wrong. Our oil consumption from that part of the world has been dropping for years. If you'd pull your head out of your ass long enough to read something other than The Loony Liberal Times, you might have known that. We went after Iraq because they invaded another sovereign nation, and we had the backing of the UN. I know you were probably about three years old when all of this was happening, but I was hoping you might have heard something about it in the intervening years."

 

Wrong. The U.S. and Saddam were trade partners for years despite the fact that it was well know how he murdered his own people. The moment Saddam goes and invades Iraq, he threatens Kuwati oil, a Western economic interest. So, the U.S. goes to the war TO PROTECT THE OIL. Never mind, the people.

 

"Then after the war is over, despite the fact that the U.S. never overthrew Saddam, the goverment places sanctions on Iraq and army bases in Saudi Arabia which pisses of the Muslims (including a certain Muslim named Osama Bin Laden). "

 

"Boo fucking hoo. The sanctions were necessary so that Saddam didn't start marching into other countries again, while cooking up biological and chemical weapons. Our bases in Arabia were placed there with the blessing of the ruling family that we fucking put into power in the first place. Jesus, I hate dealing with the ignorant."

 

The U.S. did not need to put military bases in Iraq. They could have let the UN do something on its own. The bases were not necessary.

 

"Meanwhile, the sanctions killed thousands of innocent people because of the limits of the sanctions."

 

"Prove it. Without posting some article you found on imabigliberalhomo.com. If you can't, then shut the fuck up and let the adults continue their conversation."

 

Want proof? How about the fact that the Iraqi economy has shrunk two-thirds since 1991. How about the fact that food and medical supplies, stuff that could help starving and sick Iraqi's, are being exempt thanks to the Sanctions which prohibit imports. What about the fact that the Sanctions have violated the Geneva Convention which prohibit the "starvation of civilians as a method of warfare." What about the fact that the sanctions still deny Iraqis adequcate health care, water, and electricity. How about the fact that the overall deterioration in the quality and quantity of drinking water has contributed to the rapid spread of infectious diseases. Hundreds of tons of raw sewage, for example, is dumped untreated into the Tigris and Euphrates rivers each week, causing epidemics of cholera, typhoid and gastroenteritis. And how about the fact that 5,000 Iraqi children have died every month since the sanctions began. Concidence? I think not.

 

"Then in 1993, U.S. troops are sent to Somalia, where they kill more innocents futher pissing off the Arabs and Bin Laden."

 

"Marney already dealt with you on this one, but I just wanted to add this: Fuck You. We went to that worthless shithole to feed the people who were being starved by their dictator. I don't think we ever should have gone in the first place, but we went there to FEED people, not to kill them. You must have a teacher who's an uber-socialist. I'd advise you to get off his jock and start thinking for your fucking self. Oh, and whoever gave you this incredibly warped and wrongheaded notion: fuck them, too."

 

We were considered a bully picking on a smaller kid. We were considered that too in Vietamn, Puerto Rico, Phillipenes, Colombia, and Korea. And the military tortured Somalians. One incident involved a U.S. solider grabbing a Somalian woman and just shooting her in front of her family.

 

"Then while our "great" goverment is busy prosecuting Bill Clinton for what he does in bed, Bin Laden bombs the U.S. Embassy in August 1998."

 

"Considering that President Clinton was impeached, I don't see how the government was protecting him. Do you even have the foggiest idea what you're talking about? I'm really beginning to doubt the maxim about a thousand monkeys with a thousand typewriters producing Shakespeare. You're reading the works of at least that many monkeys, and all you've done so far is regurgitate a bunch of lukewarm shit. Tell them to smoke more crack and type faster next time, will you?"

 

I didn't mean the goverment was protecting him. I meant that most of the goverment's resources were spent on trying to figure out who the president had an affair with. This allowed Osama to strike. Also, Osama had been planning to attack America since 1998. What if the goverment spent more time on that? Would all this be prevented?

 

"Cut to Bush stealing the election in 2001 and this Conservative actually gets us ready for the attacks."

 

"If there's ONE thing I'm tired of, it's the "Bush stole the election" argument from leftists who felt that changing the laws during the election was the best course of action. Fuck everyone who contributed to making "dangling chad" a part of the nation's vocabulary. Your boy lost fair and square, now shut the fuck up and deal with it."

 

I don't even like either man. I'm just saying that the election was fucked up thanks to Florida.

 

"Continues with the prosecutions with Iraq."

 

"Funny, I don't remember him hauling Saddam into court."

 

I meant the sanctions.

 

"Bottom Line: I wasn't that suprise when the first plane hit the World Trade Center."

 

"Since you've shown yourself to be nothing more than a lazy moron who lets other, more eloquent laze morons do his thinking for him, I find it hard to believe you suddenly became Carnac. Here's a good way to test your ability to not be surprised: guess what the two words I say to you at the end of this paragraph will be. Hint: they rhyme with "duck too." Did you guess yet? Are you surprised?

 

Fuck you."

 

Fuck you. I wasn't suprised when the first plane hit. It was going to happen sooner or later. After all that had been done by the U.S., revenge was coming and that was my biggest fear. That fear had come true.

 

"Fuck George Bush. Fuck the army. Fuck the CIA. Fuck the FBI. FUCK THE U.S. GOVERMENT!"

 

"Look, another graduate of the Mumia Abu Jamal School of Winning Friends and Influencing People. Really, if you're that unhappy with the country, if being here causes so much emotional distress, leave. Do yourself a favor. You could do us a favor by moving to a country without internet connections, but that's up to you."

 

I will.

 

"We should just have stayed out of the Middle East all together!"

 

"This is where we can't do right by idiots like you. If we get involved, then we're just acting on our imperialist agenda. Particularly dimwitted folks will even say we were there killing innocents, because they have a sad, intrinsic need to believe any revolting tosh that's offered with a lot of emotion and no evidence. If we don't get involved, then we're heartless bastards who let innocent people die. So either way we go, we're just bastards who kill innocents. It's good that everyone on your side can have their cake and eat it, too. I wish you'd eat more, though, so we wouldn't have to hear you fucking bleat into the wind so often."

 

We should just have remained netrual. No choosing sides.

 

"You just don't get it."

 

"Coming from you, that's REALLY fucking rich. That's so rich that Donald Trump gets turned away at the door, and Bill Gates has to take out a loan."

 

Go back to supporting the people who kill innocent people for no logical reason at all. And you WONDER why they hate us?

 

"Produced as a leaflet by the Middle East Information and Solidarity Collective"

 

"Christ, "consider the source" has never been more apropos. You know, the Germans published some things during the 30's and 40's that were very favorable to the Nazis. On second thought, don't look into that. At least reading leftist bullshit makes you into a harmless imbecile.

 

I won't even get into a group like that using a fucking movie review as the basis for a political position. Let me just say that I'm not one bit surprised it appealed to you, and that you were probably their target audience."

 

They just wanted people to understand that this wasn't what really happened and that is what the goverment wants you to believe.

 

"www.geocities.com/anti_imperialist_coalition"

 

"So you're willing to believe something posted on a fucking Geocities website as opposed to what your own elected government tells you? There really is no hope for you."

 

You want me to believe the goverment. The same people who, for years, have done more harm than good to the rest of the world and then wonder why they are attacked? Hell fucking no!

 

The Empire will fall. Remember that.

[Guest Kingpk]

We were considered a bully picking on a smaller kid. We were considered that too in Vietamn, Puerto Rico, Phillipenes, Colombia, and Korea. And the military tortured Somalians. One incident involved a U.S. solider grabbing a Somalian woman and just shooting her in front of her family.

 

Proof please.

 

After reading your "solution" to fixing things, I now KNOW you don't know what you are talking about. $10 computers, that'll fix the economy.

[Guest DeputyHawk]

Hmmm. Okay, late coming into this thread, and I think SKBF was justifiably shot down there but two things I'd like to add, not in favour of SKBF (oh lord, no) but against his detractors nonetheless...

 

1---TJH, irresponsible way to title your thread - Europeans do not believe the US was responsible for 9/11 and if you'd read your own sources properly you would have realised that, or maybe you were just trying to be sensationalistic and attention grabbing. Whatever, don't.

 

2---Tom, you're entitled to your opinions and SKBF deserved all he got, but he had already had quite a drubbing and as moderator of this forum you should not be saying "fuck you" to your posters. Period. You have a position of responsibility, so try to keep yourself in check.

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

SKBF, I believe it was established that the USA didn't move against Saddam over what was going on in his country, and if we follow your logic about us being trade partners with him over oil, then what the hell does that have to do with Kuwait. The USA went in because Iraq forcibly invaded and attempted to annex a sovreign nation. Big oil? No. Killing his own people? Irrelevent to the argument. We went in because an ally of ours was invaded.

 

And as for this more harm that good stuff, we pour huge amounts of money into foreign economies so they won't collapse. Of course, that doesn't get talked about much, and is therefore ignored. If you say the US has done more harm to the world than good, I'm sorry you're misinformed.

[Guest danielisthor]

We were considered a bully picking on a smaller kid. We were considered that too in Vietamn, Puerto Rico, Phillipenes, Colombia, and Korea. And the military tortured Somalians. One incident involved a U.S. solider grabbing a Somalian woman and just shooting her in front of her family.

 

Proof please.

 

After reading your "solution" to fixing things, I now KNOW you don't know what you are talking about. $10 computers, that'll fix the economy.

The Philippines and Puerto Rico were taken from the Spanish in the Spanish American War in 1898. With any foresight we would of annexed Cuba as well. The Philippines are an independant nation now and we maintain military bases there. Without that, the economy of that nation would be even worse than it is now. Puerto Rico is a commonwealth.

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

Something I just noticed about a statement. We were the bullies in Korea? Well, maybe if you discount the Russian and Chinese support the North Koreans had working against us. You might call us the bullies because Douglas MacArthur did his job as a general and kicked the hell out of the Communist forces, driving them almost out of the peninsula. Then he was removed and the line moved to the 38th parallel where the border sits today. But, if we were the bullies, what would have happened if we hadn't gone? Fully communist Korean peninsula, suffering the ills the North Koreans do today in lack of food and resources. If there were any bullies in the conflict, I'd say it was the communists.

[Guest danielisthor]

Something I just noticed about a statement. We were the bullies in Korea? Well, maybe if you discount the Russian and Chinese support the North Koreans had working against us. You might call us the bullies because Douglas MacArthur did his job as a general and kicked the hell out of the Communist forces, driving them almost out of the peninsula. Then he was removed and the line moved to the 38th parallel where the border sits today. But, if we were the bullies, what would have happened if we hadn't gone? Fully communist Korean peninsula, suffering the ills the North Koreans do today in lack of food and resources. If there were any bullies in the conflict, I'd say it was the communists.

Its a shame that MacArthur was never given permission to drop an H-Bomb on N. Korea, it might be a totally different world today.

[Guest DrTom]

I'll let you know that I am a straight A student who is interested in politics.

I'll be sure to get you a cookie posthaste. Your claim is also a very easy one to make. Maybe it's true, but it's still an easy claim to make.

 

Wrong. The U.S. and Saddam were trade partners for years despite the fact that it was well know how he murdered his own people. The moment Saddam goes and invades Iraq, he threatens Kuwati oil, a Western economic interest. So, the U.S. goes to the war TO PROTECT THE OIL. Never mind, the people.

We tend not to care overmuch if someone murders his own people. But when someone walks into a sovereign nation and takes it over, then we should care. It didn't matter that Kuwait had oil; they could have been a desert free of arable land and any significant resources. After we kicked Desert Shield and Storm into gear, people saw the fact that we got oil from Kuwait and drew the obvious conclusion. I'm not going to say it didn't play a factor, but I also think it was far from our primary concern, considering how much oil we get from parts of the world not located in the Middle East. Looks like a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy to me. Since you're a straigh A student, I'm sure you know what that means.

 

The U.S. did not need to put military bases in Iraq. They could have let the UN do something on its own.

Who said anything about bases in Iraq? I'm going to guess you mean (Saudi) Arabia here. As for the UN doing something on its own, when has the UN ever done anything of consequence miltarily that did not involve a heavy American contingent? We practically ARE the UN, and we're certainly their spine and testosterone.

 

How about the fact that food and medical supplies, stuff that could help starving and sick Iraqi's, are being exempt thanks to the Sanctions which prohibit imports. What about the fact that the Sanctions have violated the Geneva Convention which prohibit the "starvation of civilians as a method of warfare." What about the fact that the sanctions still deny Iraqis adequcate health care, water, and electricity. How about the fact that the overall deterioration in the quality and quantity of drinking water has contributed to the rapid spread of infectious diseases. Hundreds of tons of raw sewage, for example, is dumped untreated into the Tigris and Euphrates rivers each week, causing epidemics of cholera, typhoid and gastroenteritis. And how about the fact that 5,000 Iraqi children have died every month since the sanctions began.

Do you really think the sanctions brought all this about? In case you've forgotten, the Iraqi people live under the thumb of a dangerous, deranged, megalomanical, EVIL dictator. When has Saddam ever been overly concerned with feeding his people? When has he ever bent over backwards to get them medical care? How many Iraqi children were dying each month BEFORE the sanctions went into effect? You seem to be a fan of finding the easy answers, but you really need to look deeper at things. Saddam is a fucking piece of worthless shit, and he treats his people as if they're even less. How many Kurds have died because he GASSED them? And now we're supposed to believe he's a benevolent father figure who wants to feed, clothe, and medicinally care for his people. Sorry, I'm not going anywhere near that bill of goods.

 

We were considered a bully picking on a smaller kid. We were considered that too in Vietamn, Puerto Rico, Phillipenes, Colombia, and Korea.

There are times we NEED to get involved in things elsewhere in the world. Considering that we're the only superpower left, of course there are countries that will see as as bullies and aggressors. Hell, there are a lot of leftists in America that feel we're shamelessly imperialist. That doesn't make them right. Morality is not decided in a committee, nor by majority vote. We do what is right, we act for the good. Sometimes we make mistakes, but only the willfully ignorant or the completely stupid would claim that the good doesn't far outweigh the bad.

 

One incident involved a U.S. solider grabbing a Somalian woman and just shooting her in front of her family.

And your proof is? Another Geocities website? "Reliable" eyewitness accounts from Somalia? Give it up.

 

I didn't mean the goverment was protecting him. I meant that most of the goverment's resources were spent on trying to figure out who the president had an affair with.

How much money do you think we really spent on that? It's not like Bill Clinton ever seemed interested in doing much militarily, unless he was about to be impeached the following morning, or unless he was wasting his time doing less than half a job in Africa.

 

I don't even like either man. I'm just saying that the election was fucked up thanks to Florida.

More precisely, the election was fucked up thanks to Al Gore trying to change election law in mid-stream and demanding recounts right and left. It was mentioned in another thread, but the whole state was recounted, and Bush still won. I don't think the outcome of our election mattered to bin Laden, though, so I really don't know why you brought it up in the first place.

 

I meant the sanctions.

The ones the UN approved and still supports?

 

I wasn't suprised when the first plane hit. It was going to happen sooner or later.

Terrorist attacks on America had already happened: the first WTC bombing in 1993, the US Embassy bombings five years later, and the attack on the USS Cole two years ago. You seemed to be saying, though, that you weren't surprised someone flew airplanes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon, and I think those specific acts of despicable terrorism would be much harder to predict.

 

We should just have remained netrual. No choosing sides.

How can the country that leads the free world remain neutral on anything?

 

Go back to supporting the people who kill innocent people for no logical reason at all. And you WONDER why they hate us?

I wonder where people get the idea that the United States has some kind of interest in going halfway around the world just to slaughter a bunch of people who are already living in squalor. Why the fuck would we possiblybe interested in doing something like that? We're better than that, and I'm sorry you've been brainwashed by the left to the point that you can't realize it.

 

You want me to believe the goverment. The same people who, for years, have done more harm than good to the rest of the world and then wonder why they are attacked?

As I said before, but only the willfully ignorant or the completely stupid would claim that the good doesn't far outweigh the bad. Have we made mistakes? Sure. Is there blood on our hands? Absolutely. But we have done a *tremendous* amount of good in the world, and basically gotten nothing but scorn, derision, and cowardly attacks against our people in return. And yet we still do it. THAT is why we are the greatest nation in the world: we do the most, while both expecting and getting the least in return. And if you can't see that, then no one here can help you.

[Guest DrTom]

Tom, you're entitled to your opinions and SKBF deserved all he got, but he had already had quite a drubbing and as moderator of this forum you should not be saying "fuck you" to your posters. Period. You have a position of responsibility, so try to keep yourself in check.

Eh, you're probably right. I try to stay "in check" and just let the threads unfold as they will, contributing to them if they suit my fancy. The ridiculous claims and the tone of the original post just set me off, though. In retrospect, I shouldn't have gone off on the chap like I did, but everyone kirks out from time to time, and I'm *really* tired of reading a lot of the things he said in his original post. Don't worry, it's out of my system now. My reply of a few minutes ago was much more civil, and I don't see a reason why they won't continue to be.