Brock bombing as champ?

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

Although I tend to think that HHH/RVD would result in more buys than Brock/Taker...

Agreed. HHH has still got more left in the draw tank than Undertaker.

 

According to the spoilers for this weeks Smackdown, Brock is getting over.

 

I can only speak for myself when I say that I enjoy watching him in the ring.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

My problem isn't with Brock...it's with the WWE's thinking that putting Brock in his position is anything resembling a good idea.

To a third party, it would appear as if your problem lies with the WWE for not pushing RVD into the title frame.

 

Whatever about not enjoying Brock's performances in the ring, I have to disagree with you when say that he looks awful in there.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

If by all accross the country you mean one time at the ppv...

I'm just going to quote you a little something from the Smackdown spoilers on the observer site bps -

 

"Brock Lesnar beat Randy Orton (non-title)

Don't know how it'll come across on TV, but this was a surprisingly good and damn physical match live. Brock was over big-time live"

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

I hate the WWE for doing this...Brock will too...

He's going to pull in a million plus this year, I'm sure he'll get over it.

[Guest Brian]

Dreamer has been at the best point in his career for the last year or so. He's had much better matches in the indies that the ***ish star affair with RVD on Monday; against guys like Dr. Luther where all he was doing was the job tour. I was so happy for Tommy when he came in to the WWE, but there's nothing there for him.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

I'd imagine that Tommy is quite happy to be pulling a regular salary if nothing else.

[Guest Goodear]

Nobody wants Taker and HHH in the main event.

 

But we dont want Lesnar either

 

We want RVD, Angle, Benoit, Jericho

 

Probably in that order, but we'd like to see 'em in there.

 

Not Lesnar

Not Edge

Not HHH

Not Taker

 

Boy we cant get a single fucking thing we want, can we?

What's this "we" stuff, kemosabe? Personally, I want no parts of Main Eventin' Jericho again and don't think Benoit has the personality to be a top tier draw. Angle and RVD? Sure. And what the heck is people's problem with Edge? Dude puts on the good matches and the ringside fan likes him.

 

Brock's probably too green to be a top guy, and he really doesn't have an air of excitement about his appearences like Goldberg used to get. I'm of the mond that workers should get over before they get titles and not get titles in order to get over. But, I really don't get angry about the whole "pushing down your throat thing" since that's what pushes are supposed to do in the first place.

[Guest cabbageboy]

Yeah I don't have a single bit of desire to see Jericho anywhere near a main event again. The guy's career is dead and buried.

 

Benoit is an ok guy to occasionally main event but he lacks the charisma and heat to ever truly be a top player.

 

I don't think you can say that Brock is bombing as champ yet, I mean he just won the title! If he isn't drawing after a couple of months, then it's time to say he's bombing.

[Guest goodhelmet]

I have to disagree with you strongly there goodhart..er.. ear. Jericho was doing a perfectly acceptable job as World champ after a short but exciting feud with the Rock and an aborted program with RVD. Then came that HHH fellow and it was all downhill.

 

As for Benoit, what personality has Brock Lesnar shown or HHH? or even Undertaker fo that matter. None of those three have good mic skills, deserve thier spot or have entertaining matches in the ring. I would rather listen to Benoit speak then listen to Taker's pro-USA-I'm a bad-ass diatribe or HHH's snorting and grunting.

 

I do however totally agree on Edge. I think Anglesault has infested people's minds with the thought that Edge is in the same bottom feeder ranks along with Taker and HHH when he has exhibited none of the traits that make us hate those lazy slugs. It's really just a matter of a poster being bitter that his favorite wrestler didn't go over AND had his head shaved. Give me an Edge match anyday of the week with a decent worker and I might still be watching the fed on a regular basis. Give me Taker and HHH in the main squashing thier opponents and I turn the channel.

[Guest Goodear]

I have to disagree with you strongly there goodhart..er.. ear. Jericho was doing a perfectly acceptable job as World champ after a short but exciting feud with the Rock and an aborted program with RVD. Then came that HHH fellow and it was all downhill.

 

GASP! You used my real name! Don't be breaking kayfabe on me there... WILLIAM~!!! BUMPBUMPBUMP!!! I just have a really bad opinion of Jericho's ability to play any character other than super whiney guy. And boy is that super whiney character played out. I felt as though WWE was trying too hard to convince everyone that Jericho really was a top tier guy, and it never took (even before Cpt. Hooknose made his appearance).

 

As for Benoit, what personality has Brock Lesnar shown or HHH? or even Undertaker for that matter. None of those three have good mic skills, deserve thier spot or have entertaining matches in the ring. I would rather listen to Benoit speak then listen to Taker's pro-USA-I'm a bad-ass diatribe or HHH's snorting and grunting.

 

Two (or four) wrongs don't make a right. I'm not arguing that Brock, HHH, or Undertaker should be carrying the big gold belt right now (although out of the three, Triple H has the best claim to it and I enjoyed Undertaker's evil biker period). I'm just saying Benoit doesn't have the personality to be a top guy. He just doesn't have it.

 

I do however totally agree on Edge. I think Anglesault has infested people's minds with the thought that Edge is in the same bottom feeder ranks along with Taker and HHH when he has exhibited none of the traits that make us hate those lazy slugs. It's really just a matter of a poster being bitter that his favorite wrestler didn't go over AND had his head shaved. Give me an Edge match anyday of the week with a decent worker and I might still be watching the fed on a regular basis. Give me Taker and HHH in the main squashing thier opponents and I turn the channel.

 

Hey, I'll take Edge matches over a whole lot of guys without a moment's hesitation. He helped make Hogan tag matches actually watchable... good for him. People complain that he makes fun of his opponents, but so does Angle and no one seems to mind. Slacker wiseass is just Edge's personality, it's not like he's Albert who has seemingly no personality whatsoever.

[Guest Brian]

Where's the Eddie love? Guys, Eddie reeks main eventer. Whereas Angle can pull off the face turn and RVD probably couldn't pull off the heel turn, this guy can work both and still be entertaining.

[Guest dreamer420]

RVD would never work as a heel because the fans just choose to cheer him anyway. He worked as a heel for a little bit in ECW until his talent got him over and he became a face. Upon entering the WWF he was a part of the heel faction The Alliance but will still one of the most popular wrestlers going. The fans do not want to boo RVD because the guy oozes charisma and his moveset is constantly popping the fans.

[Guest Brian]

His style is way too geared to being a face, as is Mysterio's. It's more moveset than anything that gets him cheered. Rey Mysterio is a modern day fucking Ricky Morton.

[Guest Strike Force!]

I would rather listen to Benoit speak then listen to Taker's pro-USA-I'm a bad-ass diatribe or HHH's snorting and grunting.

It's all a matter of taste and opinion, I guess, but if you have access to them, look back at Nitro 1996. It' the Benoit/Sullivan feud. Benoit got a TON of mic time, and was horrible. His promos are PAINFUL. In all honesty, I think the guy has improved on the mic a little bit, but not much. Anway, all this to say I would classify Benoit as a snorter/grunter, too.

[Guest Goodear]

Where's the Eddie love? Guys, Eddie reeks main eventer. Whereas Angle can pull off the face turn and RVD probably couldn't pull off the heel turn, this guy can work both and still be entertaining.

Oh Lordy, you can't trust Eddie as your top draw. He's way too unreliable. Too many drug problems and injuries to trust that he's going to be around when you absolutely need him.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Where's the Eddie love? Guys, Eddie reeks main eventer. Whereas Angle can pull off the face turn and RVD probably couldn't pull off the heel turn, this guy can work both and still be entertaining.

Are you sure? Personally, I feel his character is not of a main event caliber. It was obvious the RAW after Vengeance where he was up against the Rock. He looked out of place with his lapses in and out of Spanglish and talking about yelling at his kids. I also don't think he'd work as a top face either. When he was a face in 2000, it was when he was a midcard comedy act with Chyna.

 

Agreed about RVD. His spots/offense only work as a face.

[Guest Brian]

"Oh Lordy, you can't trust Eddie as your top draw. He's way too unreliable. Too many drug problems and injuries to trust that he's going to be around when you absolutely need him."

 

Aside from that one elbow injury and the drug problem that followed partly because of that, I can't really think of another problem Eddie has had. He's never come to a show stoned, and there's never been a problem with him missing dates on the indies, Mexico, or Japan.

 

"Are you sure? Personally, I feel his character is not of a main event caliber. It was obvious the RAW after Vengeance where he was up against the Rock. He looked out of place with his lapses in and out of Spanglish and talking about yelling at his kids."

 

I thought that promo wasn era brilliant but he was overwhelmed in the delivery of it. I mean, he wasp laying like two different characters and getting all intense and emotional and still being a dick.

 

"I also don't think he'd work as a top face either. When he was a face in 2000, it was when he was a midcard comedy act with Chyna."

 

He was playing stereotypical Mexican immigrant at that point and there was no plans for him to succeed in that role but he still did well.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

I thought that promo wasn era brilliant but he was overwhelmed in the delivery of it. I mean, he wasp laying like two different characters and getting all intense and emotional and still being a dick.

I personally thought it was disjointed and hard to follow, but maybe that's just me.

[Guest Goodear]

Aside from that one elbow injury and the drug problem that followed partly because of that, I can't really think of another problem Eddie has had. He's never come to a show stoned, and there's never been a problem with him missing dates on the indies, Mexico, or Japan.

Eddie had a major injury in WCW due to a car crash during the lWo angle... the elbow injury during the Radicals' debut ... the drug issue that killed The Hardy angle ... the second drug problem where he got out of rehab and immediately crashed his car... It has been a while since he's put in something like two strait years of work without a injury or drug problem.

 

I also would say that you know for a fact that he's never come to work under the influence, what with the rehab stints and all, I'm guessing WWE had a reason to put him there.

[Guest Brian]

The first and second drug problem, which I sort of considered one, were both over pain killers.

[Guest Goodear]

Let's just say, considering Eddie's past partnership with Art Barr, I wouldn't put it past him to work while on some sort of .... something.

[Guest chirs3]

Eddie's promo and match with the Rock were super duper. I think, given the right push, he could be a main eventer. Same with Benoit.

 

Edge, I dunno. I like Edge, but he's the exact same character he was after the aborted "Ministry of Darkness" angle. He can do nothing seriously - he's a comedy act. You could say "So's the Rock!", but the Rock can do both funny and intense - Edge can do funny and...

 

 

 

...

 

 

 

Yea.

 

Plus a number of his matches nowadays are strictly "Eh... didn't really suck or anything" matches. His cage match with Angle, his cage match with Jericho (which was really just a remake of the cage match with Angle), and Edge/Eddie at the PPV... they were pretty decent... but none of those were anything to get excited about.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I'm a smark...and I wouldn't even buy Eddy as a main eventer.

 

Benoit I can see...because he's been there before.

 

Jericho was a stretch before...and would be worse now.

 

RVD works there, because after immediatly getting pushed there last year...he was never jobbed down.

 

Angle...why the hell isn't he the top guy yet?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Oh...and if people infer that my problems with the company are all centered around the lack of RVD push...

 

those people are morons.

 

It's a sad little defense to discount someone's opinions and points because "They must be pissed because their guy isn't getting pushed"

 

Grow up.

[Guest goodhelmet]

ok, bps, the only reason i wouldn't buy eddy as a main eventer isn't because of his lack of star power or ringwork. it's simply on the basis that his latino heat character is unoriginal and stereotypical. change the character and eddy would be capable of main eventing with no problem.

 

however, i do agree that our problems with the fed don't stem from a 'favorite's' lack of push. they stem from the hypocritical nature of the fed in pushing guys, slaiming they give the people what they want but in reality, bury more deserving guys. hey, if hhh was wrestling in ***-**** matches on a consistent basis... scratch that, if hhh wasn't periodically in the worst match of the night on a consistent basis then i wouldn't care about his backstage clout or his push. the simple fact is he has done nothing in the year 2002 that warrants such a high position. nada, zip, zero, nothing! if people can't see that that's the majority of the posters' problem with the fed then they are too busy reading the 12 line sigs rather than the actual posts.

[Guest Dames Edna]

Eddie's size is the only thing that makes him look like he couldn't be in the main event. And as I've said before, Eddie has more talent in his stool than 95% of the WWE roster...RVD included

[Guest Anglesault]

To tell you the truth, I think Vince is kind of hesitant to push Eddy up because of his past problems. I can see Vince's point here.

[Guest Dames Edna]

Considering Eddie has gotten a bigger push since his stint in rehab, that holds no water. He has been made into a MAJOR part of the show. He just needs that extra push.

 

If anything Vince may have renewed faith in Eddie for staying strong over the past few months. With the RAW flight from hell and everyone falling of the wagon, Eddie stayed clean. He has done EVERYTHING asked of him with the best attitude. I think he has been a grade A employee

 

But AS, you could be right...I just hope Vince isn't that lame

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

Oh...and if people infer that my problems with the company are all centered around the lack of RVD push...

Not infering anything bps - I flat out said it up above.

 

Just check your own posts, practically every single one featuring a gripe against the WWE ends in you going on (and on and on and on) about how their biggest problem is not having RVD at the main event level.

 

We'll see where RVD stands after the next PPV, if nothing else, he's been handed a chance to prove that he can hang at the top of the card.

[Guest Goodear]

Considering Eddie has gotten a bigger push since his stint in rehab, that holds no water.  He has been made into a MAJOR part of the show.  He just needs that extra push.

 

He's in the main events more often, but if he were to disapear tommarrow, would it really disrupt storylines one iota? Eddie is in a limbo where they barely announce his pay per view matches until the week before the program. They're using him as a wrestler, not as a character.

 

If anything Vince may have renewed faith in Eddie for staying strong over the past few months.  With the RAW flight from hell and everyone falling of the wagon, Eddie stayed clean.  He has done EVERYTHING asked of him with the best attitude.  I think he has been a grade A employee.

 

No offence, but you have no idea how model an employee Eddie is or isn't. Did you know that Eddie had a problem with drugs before he went into rehab? Because I sure didn't until he actually got sent there.