The LA Times will Name Tupac's Killer

[Guest swan]

Did I include the two in the statement. Nope, but they both did embrace it.

 

 

Thug 4 Life

 

LOL!

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

The only good gang banger is a dead gang banger.

 

That was pretty fucking ignorant.

 

Did I include the two in the statement. Nope, but they both did embrace it.

 

My statement stands.

 

 

LOL!

[Guest swan]

That was pretty fucking ignorant.

May I ask why that is ignorant? These people that walk around and identify each other by the color brown or orange and whatever the fuck act like bad asses but if it wasn't for that gun they fire off anywhere, even at innocent kids sleeping in bed they would get there skinny asses kicked don't deserve to be dead? Dealing drugs at schools and destroying neighborhoods? Raising my taxes so we can throw more of there sorry asses in jail?

 

Naw, not ignorant, just telling the fuckin' truth.

[Guest papacita]

 

That was pretty fucking ignorant.

May I ask why that is ignorant? These people that walk around and identify each other by the color brown or orange and whatever the fuck act like bad asses but if it wasn't for that gun they fire off anywhere, even at innocent kids sleeping in bed they would get there skinny asses kicked don't deserve to be dead? Dealing drugs at schools and destroying neighborhoods? Raising my taxes so we can throw more of there sorry asses in jail?

 

Naw, not ignorant, just telling the fuckin' truth.

Well, I said it's ignorant, because that comment was obviously directed towards 2Pac and Biggie, and no matter what the two have done in their lives, I don't think that they deserve that kind of disrespect. As for gang banging, drug dealing and all of that stuff, I'll admit that's bad. It's stupid, self destructive, and worsened by the fact that it almost seems to be condoned as a natural part of society these days. But I don't think that 2Pac and Biggie (more 2Pac), were trying to glorify those aspects of "thug life", but were trying to get people to identify with them so that they could show poor black kids that were involved in that lifestyle that there are ways to make it in this society other than selling drugs and what not.

[Guest ant_7000]

Did you guys read the Pac article in XXL? Suge Knight and Shock G talking about how Pac was really like and all, I liked it and all depsite fact I thought Suge was bullshiting in some of the questions in the interview.

[Guest Redhawk]

ANYWAY....

 

I read the entire LA Times article, and it talks about how Biggie made several "veiled references" to the 2Pac shooting on Life After Death.

 

Now I hope that isn't why the journalist figured Biggie was a suspect, and I hope no one uses that little nugget of info to build a case on BIG. Because Biggie, like most rappers, talked about killing folks all the damn time! It didn't mean anything, though.

 

But for those of you who have Life After Death (someone stole mine), you should listen for them. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember anything that made me go, "Hmmm, maybe he did shoot Pac."

[Guest ant_7000]

I remember this stupid rumor that people around here were saying that in Makaveli album in the intro people told me that Pac said "Suge shot me" I didnt hear it on there just wondering if someone heard of this.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

I've heard that rumor, and even heard the sound-clip. It's one of those cases where it's really not clear, but if you're "told to listen for something" you're much more likely to hear it, like that clip from Who Framed Roger Rabbit? where Donald Duck is "racist".

 

As for the 2Pac's alive rumors, the conspiracy sites I've been to said that "the Seven Day Theory" also references that Pac would make his "return" in 7 years... which would place it at right about now (2003, to be exact), so that actually piqued my interest when I read about this story. Do I believe that Pac is alive? Not really, but anything is possible.

[Guest Lethargic]

Everybody acts like we're supposed to care that these losers are dead. They were both known criminals. Biggie was a confessed crack dealer. They were both pieces of trash and just because they could rhyme words doesn't mean they didn't deserve what they got. It was a long time coming as far as I'm concerned. The world's a better place without them both.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

I think Suge Knight had Pac killed. Pac was set to leave Death Row.Entertainment Weekly gives a brief overview in this weeks issue. Though I'm sure more detailed reports can be found. Either way the story goes Pac was supposed to be in Atlanta vistiting family, although many believe he was looking for a record deal. Well Knight convinced Pac to come out to Vegas. It should be mentioned that if Pac left, Knight would of owned him 3 million dollars.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I'm not going to address the can of worms that has been opened because I don't have time right now. However, Suge Knight went the extra mile if he did have Tupac killed conisdering the fact that Suge was SHOT IN THE HEAD during the attack.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

You're right he was shot in the head. I always thought he was shot in the arm. That's taking a big risk. Guess I better rethink my opinion on this whole matter.

[Guest Michael Joel Benoit]

Everybody acts like we're supposed to care that these losers are dead. They were both known criminals. Biggie was a confessed crack dealer. They were both pieces of trash and just because they could rhyme words doesn't mean they didn't deserve what they got. It was a long time coming as far as I'm concerned. The world's a better place without them both.

That was just tasteless. How dare you say the world is better without them? Sure 2Pac and Biggie weren't perfect but they were only human. And humans make mistakes. Atleast have respect for the dead.

[Guest Lethargic]

Everybody acts like we're supposed to care that these losers are dead.  They were both known criminals.  Biggie was a confessed crack dealer.  They were both pieces of trash and just because they could rhyme words doesn't mean they didn't deserve what they got.  It was a long time coming as far as I'm concerned.  The world's a better place without them both.

That was just tasteless. How dare you say the world is better without them? Sure 2Pac and Biggie weren't perfect but they were only human. And humans make mistakes. Atleast have respect for the dead.

Why? That's so friggin retarded. Have respect for the dead? Doesn't everybody hate Osama bin Laden? So if Osama gets blown up, I should feel sorry for him and respect him because he's dead? Yeah right. I had no respect for either one of those losers while they were alive, why in the hell would I have any respect for them while they're dead?

 

If there are 4 words I hate, they are "respect for the dead."

 

I'll have respect for decent human beings, alive or dead. I won't have any for pieces of garbage, alive or dead.

[Guest ant_7000]

Everybody acts like we're supposed to care that these losers are dead.  They were both known criminals.  Biggie was a confessed crack dealer.  They were both pieces of trash and just because they could rhyme words doesn't mean they didn't deserve what they got.  It was a long time coming as far as I'm concerned.  The world's a better place without them both.

That was just tasteless. How dare you say the world is better without them? Sure 2Pac and Biggie weren't perfect but they were only human. And humans make mistakes. Atleast have respect for the dead.

Why? That's so friggin retarded. Have respect for the dead? Doesn't everybody hate Osama bin Laden? So if Osama gets blown up, I should feel sorry for him and respect him because he's dead? Yeah right. I had no respect for either one of those losers while they were alive, why in the hell would I have any respect for them while they're dead?

 

If there are 4 words I hate, they are "respect for the dead."

 

I'll have respect for decent human beings, alive or dead. I won't have any for pieces of garbage, alive or dead.

Well they didn't fly planes into buildings, They didn't kill anybody (I know Pac shot some cops Out of self defense.)Whatever if your drugged out rocker od'ed or shot himself it would be different story if I said they took the coward way out I bet you would be defending them. Well, I understand the way they (Biggie and Pac) live before they were famous is they had do what gotta to do and hustle to help their families out im not saying its right or anything they did what they thought was best.

[Guest Lethargic]

Everybody acts like we're supposed to care that these losers are dead.  They were both known criminals.  Biggie was a confessed crack dealer.  They were both pieces of trash and just because they could rhyme words doesn't mean they didn't deserve what they got.  It was a long time coming as far as I'm concerned.  The world's a better place without them both.

That was just tasteless. How dare you say the world is better without them? Sure 2Pac and Biggie weren't perfect but they were only human. And humans make mistakes. Atleast have respect for the dead.

Why? That's so friggin retarded. Have respect for the dead? Doesn't everybody hate Osama bin Laden? So if Osama gets blown up, I should feel sorry for him and respect him because he's dead? Yeah right. I had no respect for either one of those losers while they were alive, why in the hell would I have any respect for them while they're dead?

 

If there are 4 words I hate, they are "respect for the dead."

 

I'll have respect for decent human beings, alive or dead. I won't have any for pieces of garbage, alive or dead.

Well they didn't fly planes into buildings, They didn't kill anybody (I know Pac shot some cops Out of self defense.)Whatever if your drugged out rocker od'ed or shot himself it would be different story if I said they took the coward way out I bet you would be defending them. Well, I understand the way they (Biggie and Pac) live before they were famous is they had do what gotta to do and hustle to help their families out im not saying its right or anything they did what they thought was best.

If I had any idea what you said I'd try to argue with you, but it seems every other word is missing. I love the way you make assumptions about me liking something when you have no idea what I like. You try to say I'd defend somebody on drugs, but you then turn around and defend 2pac shooting cops. WTF?

[Guest ant_7000]

Well I felt it was justified because they were off duty cops who were harassing someone else and Pac saw it got involved and they tired to shoot him first, a he didn't do anything wrong but protecting himself. Of course, you wouldn't argue with me because you wouldn't understand the street lifestyle anyway. I bet you haven't even listen to a Pac song and just going by what the media says about him.

[Guest Lethargic]

Well I felt it was justified because they were off duty cops who were harassing someone else and Pac saw it got involved and they tired to shoot him first, a he didn't do anything wrong but protecting himself. Of course, you wouldn't argue with me because you wouldn't understand the street lifestyle anyway. I bet you haven't even listen to a Pac song and just going by what the media says about him.

hahaha

 

The street lifestyle. Yeah, I'll argue about the "street lifestyle" with some 13 year old on a computer.

[Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa]

Ladies, please, not in front of the children.

[Guest papacita]

Well I felt it was justified because they were off duty cops who were harassing someone else and Pac saw it got involved and they tired to shoot him first, a he didn't do anything wrong but protecting himself. Of course, you wouldn't argue with me because you wouldn't understand the  street lifestyle anyway. I bet you haven't even listen to a Pac song and just going by what the media says about him.

hahaha

 

The street lifestyle. Yeah, I'll argue about the "street lifestyle" with some 13 year old on a computer.

I love how people who that can't come up with a good comeback like to use that "teenager on a computer" excuse.

 

And just to add one more thing to this thread, yes Biggie sold crack before he got into music (which, as bad as it is, I don't think should warrant him being killed), but 2Pac didn't even have a police record until after he became famous, and most of those charges, especially the rape charge that sent him to jail in 94, were questionable. I certainly don't see how that makes him a criminal, and I there's no way in hell that you can say that anything he did could justify him being killed. Now I'm not gonna sit here and argue with your dumb ass, because you've already shown just how ignorant you truly are, so whether you hate Biggie and 2Pac or not, if you don't have anything positive to add to this thread, then shut the fuck up.

[Guest Lethargic]

Well I felt it was justified because they were off duty cops who were harassing someone else and Pac saw it got involved and they tired to shoot him first, a he didn't do anything wrong but protecting himself. Of course, you wouldn't argue with me because you wouldn't understand the  street lifestyle anyway. I bet you haven't even listen to a Pac song and just going by what the media says about him.

hahaha

 

The street lifestyle. Yeah, I'll argue about the "street lifestyle" with some 13 year old on a computer.

I love how people who that can't come up with a good comeback like to use that "teenager on a computer" excuse.

 

And just to add one more thing to this thread, yes Biggie sold crack before he got into music (which, as bad as it is, I don't think should warrant him being killed), but 2Pac didn't even have a police record until after he became famous, and most of those charges, especially the rape charge that sent him to jail in 94, were questionable. I certainly don't see how that makes him a criminal, and I there's no way in hell that you can say that anything he did could justify him being killed. Now I'm not gonna sit here and argue with your dumb ass, because you've already shown just how ignorant you truly are, so whether you hate Biggie and 2Pac or not, if you don't have anything positive to add to this thread, then shut the fuck up.

Good comeback? Why would I need a good comeback for somebody that can barely type? And why would I argue with somebody about "street lifestyle" when there's a 99.999999% chance that he's never been a part of any "street lifestyle" other than listening to rap music? Why would I argue with somebody that tries to put words into my mouth and say that I'd defend drug addicts and people that commit suicide?

 

I've got plenty of positive things to add to this thread. So far I'm the only one not afraid to speak the truth and try to sit here and be all PC and claim that just because they're dead that we should ignore that they were scumbags.

 

The thing is, everybody keeps saying to leave Biggie alone, because he's dead. You should respect the dead. Even if tomorrow the evidence came out that linked him to the crime 100% without a shadow of doubt, those people would still say that even though he would be a proven murderer. Why? Because he was a mediocre rap star? Because he's dead? 2pac....I liked some of 2pac's music but I'm not gonna act like he was a great human being because of it. Great human beings don't walk through a court room spitting on people.

[Guest Dangerous A]

I think this story is bullshit. Biggie was NOT in Vegas at the time of the murder, he was on the East Coast and there are more than several people who can vouch for this. It sounds to me like the Crips are getting a little attention starved and so they go to the LA Times to get themselves back in the spotlight a little. That's one theory. There is a former LA detective who's last name is Poole I believe who said that he believes some bad LA cops were behind the killing of BIG and that he had evidence that can tie together the story of Suge being behind the killing of Tupac because he was going to jump off the Death Row ship and owed him a ton of money. Tupac's own mother can testify to that. The LA detective is so strong in his stance that he quit the force because he felt the LAPD were trying to hide the fact that officers from their department had something to do with high profile murders and were trying to shy away from any and all involvement. This was on the VH1 Behind the Music of BIG. I wouldn't believe that LA Times article for the life of me.

[Guest ant_7000]

Well I felt it was justified because they were off duty cops who were harassing someone else and Pac saw it got involved and they tired to shoot him first, a he didn't do anything wrong but protecting himself. Of course, you wouldn't argue with me because you wouldn't understand the  street lifestyle anyway. I bet you haven't even listen to a Pac song and just going by what the media says about him.

hahaha

 

The street lifestyle. Yeah, I'll argue about the "street lifestyle" with some 13 year old on a computer.

I love how people who that can't come up with a good comeback like to use that "teenager on a computer" excuse.

 

And just to add one more thing to this thread, yes Biggie sold crack before he got into music (which, as bad as it is, I don't think should warrant him being killed), but 2Pac didn't even have a police record until after he became famous, and most of those charges, especially the rape charge that sent him to jail in 94, were questionable. I certainly don't see how that makes him a criminal, and I there's no way in hell that you can say that anything he did could justify him being killed. Now I'm not gonna sit here and argue with your dumb ass, because you've already shown just how ignorant you truly are, so whether you hate Biggie and 2Pac or not, if you don't have anything positive to add to this thread, then shut the fuck up.

Good comeback? Why would I need a good comeback for somebody that can barely type? And why would I argue with somebody about "street lifestyle" when there's a 99.999999% chance that he's never been a part of any "street lifestyle" other than listening to rap music? Why would I argue with somebody that tries to put words into my mouth and say that I'd defend drug addicts and people that commit suicide?

 

I've got plenty of positive things to add to this thread. So far I'm the only one not afraid to speak the truth and try to sit here and be all PC and claim that just because they're dead that we should ignore that they were scumbags.

 

The thing is, everybody keeps saying to leave Biggie alone, because he's dead. You should respect the dead. Even if tomorrow the evidence came out that linked him to the crime 100% without a shadow of doubt, those people would still say that even though he would be a proven murderer. Why? Because he was a mediocre rap star? Because he's dead? 2pac....I liked some of 2pac's music but I'm not gonna act like he was a great human being because of it. Great human beings don't walk through a court room spitting on people.

Number 1 little "dude" im not 13 im 21 and have proably seen more shit in my life than you ever imagine lil dude. Ain't it funny people like to talk shit behind a keyboard because they don't have the nuts in people's face.

[Guest ant_7000]

Well Anyway back to the program proceed, Ripper you have more info on this than I do but what cause Pac and Biggie feud to begin with that "Who shot ya" song.

[Guest Ripper]

Yeah, if anything, you have to question the reasoning behind putting out the Who shot ya song, even though it had been written and recorded long before.

 

Lethargic, you are indeed a ignorant ass. If you are saying that Biggie was a horrible person because he sold drugs over half a decade before he made his music and deserved to die years later because of that, you fucking stupid. IF you are saying that Tupac deserved to die because he spit at a camera, then you are a fucking moron. As a matter of fact, saying two people, one of them a father, deserved to get gunned down in their youth and the world is better off without them is 10 times worse than spitting at a camera. Does that mean you deserve to die.

 

I don't have to put words in your mouth. I am sure that if someone said something like that about Lane Staley or George Harrison you would have been one of the people there talking shit yet you come in a thread full of people that you know have intrest in the story and post some little trolling ass flame bait about how People deserved to die.

 

Biggie was working in music, and taking care of his 2 kids and family with all legit money. He gave up the life of drug dealing to make a better way for his family the right way. For that, you say that he deserved to die...you call ant a teenager but only some fucking child could use the type of reasoning that you have.

 

And yeah Dangerous A, I saw/read all that that officer had to say about BIgge's murder and it is pretty strong case that Suge got biggie killed. He has all of the connections, witnesses and so forth... a lot of things missing from the LA Times article.

[Guest papacita]

So far, I've heard that Faith, Lil Cease, and some producer who was working with Biggie the night 2Pac was shot all say that he was in Jersey the night of the shooting.

[Guest ant_7000]

Yeah, I heard Biggie was in Jersey that night and people who don't know the story from the begining will believe it. On Biggie's murder I think Suge had something to do with it since he had cops working for him as security for Death Row eventhough obviously he denies it in interviews.

[Guest Mr. Pink]

On the subject of "Street Lifestyle" and that being bullshit....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Am I the only one that thinks it's hilarious when all these white suburban shithead kids think they're hard because they know the words to a Dr. Dre CD?

 

 

Hilarious....

 

 

ah well, back to your argument

[Guest ant_7000]

Um im not White if your refering to me.

[Guest Mr. Pink]

Why do you think I was referring to you? Do you have some sort of ego problem or something?

 

 

 

 

Whatever...I just think it's funny