The move towards a move/counter move based style

[Guest Rob Edwards]

It's becoming more and more obvious as time wears on that Vince is switching the WWE style to a faster paced more psychology based affair to suit his more talented main eventers (and please most smarks ) but the question is outside the obvious (Benoit, Angle, Eddie, Jericho, Storm, Booker, Christian, Flair) who's going to be able to keep up with the new style?

 

IMO HHH could be the biggest casualty unless he drops some serious weight in order to pick up the pace of his performances

 

Do you agree and who else should be ok or might suffer?

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I seriously doubt the style will change that much. I really do. With both his champs as big, slow slugs..Vince would never change it that radically. And Flair? "Retirement Home"

[Guest Rob Edwards]

I seriously doubt the style will change that much. I really do. With both his champs as big, slow slugs..Vince would never change it that radically. And Flair? "Retirement Home"

Brock should be able to go at a faster pace what with his amateur background but obviously most guys with monster gimmicks don't so it'll be interesting to see if he does. As for Flair sure he's old but he still flows between moves quicker than half the roster and is proven in this style

[Guest MrRant]

Its not like its going to go from 25mph to warp 9 speed. More like 25mph to 35. Everyone should be ok... except Bradshaw.

[Guest Anglesault]

I seriously doubt the style will change that much. I really do. With both his champs as big, slow slugs..Vince would never change it that radically. And Flair? "Retirement Home"

Brock should be able to go at a faster pace what with his amateur background but obviously most guys with monster gimmicks don't so it'll be interesting to see if he does.

Brock got winded walking to the ring and back once.

[Guest deadbeater]

Molly when she heard of the WWE is doing a faster style, is thinking, "Yes!! Yes!!", almost getting an orgasm in the process.

 

Stacy, meanwhile, is thinking "No, no!!" and cowers into a fetal position.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

RVD & Jeff Hardy will suffer the most, and we already can see it happening. RVD showed last month that he can't keep up with the likes of Benoit, and Jeff is worst than Big Show at this point.

[Guest snowfan]

RVD & Jeff Hardy will suffer the most, and we already can see it happening. RVD showed last month that he can't keep up with the likes of Benoit, and Jeff is worst than Big Show at this point.

I think that this will make the product worse than it is now because Vince does not have the will to can guys who can't go at it in this style.(HGH, UT, Rikishi, Mark Henry)

 

Maybe the slow dinosaurs can be in a special "Hoss Division".

[Guest Brian]

"Brock got winded walking to the ring and back once."

 

And Angle got winded after doing matwork with Benoit, yet everyone is clamoring for him to hit the mat.

[Guest snowfan]

"Brock got winded walking to the ring and back once."

 

And Angle got winded after doing matwork with Benoit, yet everyone is clamoring for him to hit the mat.

Well in all of the guys defense sometimes you get winded doing things that wouldn't normally wind you. Fact is you need to be lighter to go at it in move/counter and that would interfere in Vinny Mac's homoerotic fantasies. I have NO faith in the move but will be happily proven wrong if they go with it.

 

Angle can/will/may adapt.

 

HGH won't.

[Guest Tim Cooke]

"And Angle got winded after doing matwork with Benoit, yet everyone is clamoring for him to hit the mat."

 

I'm glad I am not the only one who saw that.

 

Tim

[EL DANDY~! 0]

I had only one problem with RVD/Benoit...RVD can't sell for SHIT! Come ON! Benoit took his arm home with him for LUNCH, for Christ sakes! Jeez! His counter wrestling was OK, but REALLY, what in the hell? Can he not sell something?

[Guest RazorxEDGE]

For the record, I love the move/counter move style. There are a few HOSSES~ on the roster who are good at this style that might surprise you:

 

1. The Undertaker...check out his match with HHH from InsurreXion (sp?). He and HHH do an *awesome* series of counters leading up to the finish, pretty much the only cool part of the match.

 

2. HHH...see Undertaker, The.

 

3. Brock...his match with Rock at SummerSlam was very heavy on move/counter move, especially that wicked finish.

 

4. Test...watch his watch with Edge from the 2001 Survivor Series, or any of his 2001-present matches. He's very good at counters.

 

5. Rhyno

 

HOSSES~ who are going to suck at move/counter move:

 

1. Kevin Nash...sorry, Big Kev, but I gotta tell the truth.

 

2. Bradshaw...his only counter to anything is throwing a Clothesline From Hell.

 

3. Albert

 

4. Kane...he hasn't shown me any move/counter move skills yet. Not to say that he can't pull it off.

 

5. Batista

[Guest Anglesault]

"Brock got winded walking to the ring and back once."

 

And Angle got winded after doing matwork with Benoit, yet everyone is clamoring for him to hit the mat.

You are seriously comparing someone getting winded doing matwork and someone getting winded WALKING? Sure, Angle shouldn't do matwork if he can't keep up. By that logic, Brock shouldn't walk either, so he shouldn't be champion.

[Guest goodhelmet]

when did brock get winded walking to the ring?

 

i mean surely your hatred of the wrestler of the month is well documented but at least give a date or some proof.

[Guest Trivia247]

In the end with all the Massive Muscles Brock and HHH has been sporting lately in the end that is still Weight they are Hauling around, and they always gonna have too compensate for it if they go Move for move.

 

HHH in 2000 early 2001 looked what 5 10 pounds lighter, and He was able to keep up Move counter move, even worked in good ring psychology with Benoit and Angle. But I haven't seen too many Inverted STF's or a Indian Deathlock from him anymore. Getting that Scott Steiner Complex where he can't lay his arms against his side no mo.

[Guest Anglesault]

The week he jumped to Smackdown. He walked to the ring in an Angle/Mark Henry match, F5'ed Henry, walked back, and cut a promo on Kurt where I though Heyman was going to have to bust out the oxygen mask.

 

The following week, after his own match with Marke Henry, the same thing happened. I thought he was going to pass out on Hulk Hogan.

[Guest goodhelmet]

The week he jumped to Smackdown. He walked to the ring in an Angle/Mark Henry match, F5'ed Henry, walked back, and cut a promo on Kurt where I though Heyman was going to have to bust out the oxygen mask.

 

The following week, after his own match with Marke Henry, the same thing happened. I thought he was going to pass out on Hulk Hogan.

so you mean the week where he lifted a 400 lb man over his shoulders then did an equally incredible lift to perform his finisher?

the way you were talking, he blew up before he did any activity. come on man, you can think of smething better than that!

[Guest Anglesault]

He blew up after ONE move. I don't care how big the man is. ONE move!

[Guest Flyboy]

Anglesault..

 

You try lifting Mark Henry over your head and not being out of breath.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Isn't the fact that he didn't get blown up after a good match with the Rock more relevent than getting blownup after lifting up Mark Henry?

[Guest Anglesault]

Anglesault..

 

You try lifting Mark Henry over your head and not being out of breath.

I'm not a trained athlete who was made world champion of the WWF. It's not my JOB to be in good condition.

[Guest goodhelmet]

bullshit. if that move was a ddt or a flying body press or something that didn't take as much strength as the f5 then MAYBE, just maybe, i could see your point. hell, if he had done the f5 on a 275 lb star then maybe i would understand where you are coming from. as it stands, your reasoning is illogical and has no weight behind it. come on man, try again!

 

as for blowing up, it's a fact of life in the wrestling world. it's even been documented that our good friend Angle, a trained wrestler blew up doing some matwork with Benoit. bret hart claimed Bulldog blew up 5 minutes into their match and that 5 minutes was nothing special. As far as Brock's verbal skills go, if he was blown up, so what? That's Heyman's job... to be the voice of Brock.

[Guest Anglesault]

as for blowing up, it's a fact of life in the wrestling world. it's even been documented that our good friend Angle, a trained wrestler blew up doing some matwork with Benoit. bret hart claimed Bulldog blew up 5 minutes into their match and that 5 minutes was nothing special. As far as Brock's verbal skills go, if he was blown up, so what? That's Heyman's job... to be the voice of Brock.

Angle: several minutes

Bulldog: 5 minutes

Brock: 20 seconds.

 

You can't compare them.

 

I still don't understand why they would give Brock the mic when they saw the shape he was in. In his defense, he hasn't been so totally out of breath since.

[Guest goodhelmet]

once again-

1st case. matwork vs. power lifting.

bret-bulldog- i'll have to rewatch the match but i dont remember davey doing ANYTHING that justified getting blown up

brock- lifting a 400 lb up then liftinghim up in an equally devastating finisher

[Guest RazorxEDGE]

Mat wrestling is actually very grueling, in Angle's defense. But I could care less if Brock was out of breath once...unlike Anglesault, who seems to think that it is a sign of the apocalypse.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

Anglesault, have you ever powerlifted before? Cause I know that when I lifted, I had to spend several minute recouperating, and I was hardly lifting a huge guy into an F5.

[Guest snowfan]

Anglesault, have you ever powerlifted before? Cause I know that when I lifted, I had to spend several minute recouperating, and I was hardly lifting a huge guy into an F5.

and Henry is a notorious sandbagger....

[Guest Anglesault]

Anglesault, have you ever powerlifted before? Cause I know that when I lifted, I had to spend several minute recouperating, and I was hardly lifting a huge guy into an F5.

Yeah, i can see that.

 

But If I were heyman, and I saw the state that Brock was in before the promo with Angle, I probably wouldn't give him the mic.

[Guest goodhelmet]

so why would you criticize brock? wouldn't it be either heyman or wwe for putting him in that position in the first place??? and how many wrestlers do interviews immediately fter a match. not many. possibly 2-3 segments down the line but not normally right after.