Guest Anglesault Posted September 21, 2002 Report Posted September 21, 2002 If said resthold finshed a legend like Hogan don't you'd expect him to use it and show it off top the fullest extent? I didn't watch the Hogan match ( I saw Hogan/Lesnar and suddenly remembered that I needed to organize my sock drawer) but I'm assuming that a) There was more to the match then said bearhug. You can't deny that this match was 99 % bearhug b) His arms weren't loosely wrapped around the guy and resting on his hip like last night. That move showed NO pressure. If I can see that much dead space between a guys arm and the other guy's body, there is something wrong. c) they did a standard bearhug, as opped to Brock's "I'm exhausted from walking down to the ring, so let's lay down" hug from last night.
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted September 21, 2002 Report Posted September 21, 2002 Brock needs to win with the SSP at the PPV.
Guest bravesfan Posted September 21, 2002 Report Posted September 21, 2002 That's my belief, but others **coughAnglesaultcough** will argue otherwise based on Brock breathing hard in backstage segments. Well, to defend Brock on this one, anyone who lifts Mark Henry above his shoulders multiple times in a match, then does a promo about 30 seconds later, shouldn't be cutting a calm, collected promo. If I put myself in Brock's shoes, here'd how it go: K. KELLY: Brock, Brock Lesnar, people have been anticipating your upcoming match with Hollywood Hulk Hogan...can you make any predictions about that match? BROCK: Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhh........(drops to the ground) HEYMAN: Get the paramedics! Brock's having an attack again! GET THE MACHINE, DAMMIT, THE MACHINE! K. KELLY: You have Test this Sunday at King of the Ring in a semi-final match. Do you believe you can cut a better promo that he can, directly after a match? HEYMAN: (with a concerned look) Are those...are those- two hernias? K. KELLY: Three by my vantage point...Are those convulsions you're having any visual description of how your bearhug will affect Test this Sunday?
Guest griffinmills Posted September 21, 2002 Report Posted September 21, 2002 a) There was more to the match then said bearhug. You can't deny that this match was 99 % bearhug b) His arms weren't loosely wrapped around the guy and resting on his hip like last night. That move showed NO pressure. If I can see that much dead space between a guys arm and the other guy's body, there is something wrong. c) they did a standard bearhug, as opped to Brock's "I'm exhausted from walking down to the ring, so let's lay down" hug from last night. a) Oh I get what you are saying...huh? b) True. c) Exageration.
Guest Anglesault Posted September 21, 2002 Report Posted September 21, 2002 a) There was more to the match then said bearhug. You can't deny that this match was 99 % bearhug b) His arms weren't loosely wrapped around the guy and resting on his hip like last night. That move showed NO pressure. If I can see that much dead space between a guys arm and the other guy's body, there is something wrong. c) they did a standard bearhug, as opped to Brock's "I'm exhausted from walking down to the ring, so let's lay down" hug from last night. a) Oh I get what you are saying...huh? b) True. c) Exageration. a) Smackdown's match was 6 minutes, five of which was bearhug c)Are you saying they weren't lying on their backs the whole time? Well, to defend Brock on this one, anyone who lifts Mark Henry above his shoulders multiple times in a match, then does a promo about 30 seconds later, shouldn't be cutting a calm, collected promo. Well, there is huge difference between mulitple times and uhm..once.
Guest Kotzenjunge Posted September 21, 2002 Report Posted September 21, 2002 I agree with Agent. Considering the amount of times Undertaker is going to be all NO POBO!! and stuff, Brock needs to win with something huge. Fo sheez, Kotzenjunge
Guest Spaceman Spiff Posted September 21, 2002 Report Posted September 21, 2002 That's my belief, but others **coughAnglesaultcough** will argue otherwise based on Brock breathing hard in backstage segments. Well, to defend Brock on this one, anyone who lifts Mark Henry above his shoulders multiple times in a match, then does a promo about 30 seconds later, shouldn't be cutting a calm, collected promo. My point is, we have no way of knowing if the promo was done right after the match. For all we know, that promo was filmed 5 hours earlier, and they told Brock to breathe hard to give the impression that it was right after the encounter w/ Henry.
Guest Anglesault Posted September 21, 2002 Report Posted September 21, 2002 That's my belief, but others **coughAnglesaultcough** will argue otherwise based on Brock breathing hard in backstage segments. Well, to defend Brock on this one, anyone who lifts Mark Henry above his shoulders multiple times in a match, then does a promo about 30 seconds later, shouldn't be cutting a calm, collected promo. My point is, we have no way of knowing if the promo was done right after the match. For all we know, that promo was filmed 5 hours earlier, and they told Brock to breathe hard to give the impression that it was right after the encounter w/ Henry. WHAT ENCOUNTER? It can't even be classfied as a "skirmish" If they told him to act like walking down to the ring and F5ing someone leaves him gasping for breath, than that is just stupid.
Guest Spaceman Spiff Posted September 21, 2002 Report Posted September 21, 2002 Yes - stupid on the WWE's part. But it's entirely possible, and therefore a bad example to use in the "Brock gets blown up too easily" argument.
Guest Mystery Eskimo Posted September 21, 2002 Report Posted September 21, 2002 Brock needs to win with the SSP at the PPV. It will NEVER EVER EVER happen in the WWE. NEVER!
Guest Anglesault Posted September 22, 2002 Report Posted September 22, 2002 Yes - stupid on the WWE's part. But it's entirely possible, and therefore a bad example to use in the "Brock gets blown up too easily" argument. I still think you can see it in SD!'s match.
Guest Spaceman Spiff Posted September 22, 2002 Report Posted September 22, 2002 I was only 1/2 paying attention to that match, so I can't really comment.
Guest BionicRedneck Posted September 22, 2002 Report Posted September 22, 2002 Nah, Brock wasn't that bad on SD! not as bad as Test on RAW (Who was an all round disgrace-don't even get me started) or as bad as Angle has been in the past.
Guest El Psycho Diablo Posted September 22, 2002 Report Posted September 22, 2002 ..yeah, but Test wasn't handed the World Title six months into his career, either.
Guest BionicRedneck Posted September 22, 2002 Report Posted September 22, 2002 Yeah, and I am very happy about that. Test on RAW was absolutely pitiful. He was appaling. Even the biggest Test fan can't defend him.
Guest El Psycho Diablo Posted September 22, 2002 Report Posted September 22, 2002 Your point? So he's blown a move. I'm sure nobody else on the roster has ever done it that bad. heh. Jericho was pretty bad about blown spots for a while there, too.
Guest BionicRedneck Posted September 22, 2002 Report Posted September 22, 2002 He blew many spots. Booker even had to shout "Move" twice, because Test was in the way of the spineroonie. He was blown-up badly. He was dangerously sloppy, and looked lost so many times. His pacing is just awful. I wouldn't mind, but some people actually want to see him pushed.
Guest Anglesault Posted September 22, 2002 Report Posted September 22, 2002 Nah, Brock wasn't that bad on SD! not as bad as Test on RAW (Who was an all round disgrace-don't even get me started) or as bad as Angle has been in the past. I've never seen Angle waste about 90 % of a match laying down. As for Test, as bad as he is, he's usually MOVING to some degree
Guest BlackRainbow1025 Posted September 22, 2002 Report Posted September 22, 2002 I don't think we'll see the SSP until they turn Brock face........then again, they could have him put Taker out with it when Taker kicks out of the F5. Make it like he has to pull something huge out to keep Taker down. I thought they would've done that at SS against The Rock.
Guest alfdogg Posted September 22, 2002 Report Posted September 22, 2002 You guys REALLY thnk Taker will take the SSP?
Guest art_vandelay Posted September 22, 2002 Report Posted September 22, 2002 Okay, Brock finally decided to do a match without the boring, plodding power offense dominating. So what does he do? Use his much bragged about amateur skills? Well, uhm, sort of. But for the most part he sat there with a poorly applied rest hold for FIVE MINUTES. FIVE FUCKING MINUTES of kicking and that stupid looking bear hug, where Brock was obviously applying no pressure and resting his hands on Cena's hips, while John makes constipated faces. And the after all of this, I think he looked winded! Can someone explain what the hell happened here? What you consider BORING, I call realism. Have you ever seen an amateur wrestling match? It's basically 5 minutes of kicking and bearhugs, but if you can follow the struggle, it can be very entertaining. As for Test, as bad as he is, he's usually MOVING to some degree His match on SD called for am-wrestling influenced offense, why the fuck would he be moving around and running ropes? Will Test ever be told to wrestle that type of style? The match was simple, Brock squashes his opponent using his mat game for most of the match, until the victim escapes and looks like he may have a chance, but is quickly put to an end by Lesnar's F5. The purpose of the match was to demonstrate Lesnar's skills. I thought it was perfectly fine for a TV match. Why don't you try harder the next time you're looking for an excuse to hate the guy.
Guest alfdogg Posted September 22, 2002 Report Posted September 22, 2002 Hey, intelligent conversation...I better bait Anglesault and ruin the thread! Grow up.
Guest Hogan Made Wrestling Posted September 22, 2002 Report Posted September 22, 2002 Hey, intelligent conversation...I better bait Anglesault and ruin the thread! Grow up. Yes, because Anglesaults "if he hasn't used amateur wrestling on WWE TV then he doesn't know how to do it" reasoning is very "intelligent". But by that logic, you should all stop assuming HHH is on the juice, since he's never pulled the needle out on live TV...
Guest Anglesault Posted September 22, 2002 Report Posted September 22, 2002 Yes, because Anglesaults "if he hasn't used amateur wrestling on WWE TV then he doesn't know how to do it" reasoning is very "intelligent". He never shows it. What good is it to me to know that he can? Until I see it, it's non existant to me.
Guest alfdogg Posted September 23, 2002 Report Posted September 23, 2002 Hey, intelligent conversation...I better bait Anglesault and ruin the thread! Grow up. Yes, because Anglesaults "if he hasn't used amateur wrestling on WWE TV then he doesn't know how to do it" reasoning is very "intelligent". But by that logic, you should all stop assuming HHH is on the juice, since he's never pulled the needle out on live TV... That wasn't entirely my point. What I was trying to get across was Anglesault doesn't get out of hand until people bait him, which was what was happening. On that note...what exactly have YOU contributed that has been intelligent lately? It's all either RVD bashing or flame-baiting. People like you always want to whine and bitch and moan about how HHHating gets out of hand (always assuming that if you're a HHHater, you're automatically a troll, of course), yet you can bartely make it a thread without getting an insult in on RVD. If there were less fucking hypocrites like that on this board, it would be a much better place to post, and places like WDI would'nt have so much shit to talk about this board. In short, fuck you. Have a nice day.
Guest art_vandelay Posted September 23, 2002 Report Posted September 23, 2002 Hey, intelligent conversation...I better bait Anglesault and ruin the thread! Grow up. Yes, because Anglesaults "if he hasn't used amateur wrestling on WWE TV then he doesn't know how to do it" reasoning is very "intelligent". But by that logic, you should all stop assuming HHH is on the juice, since he's never pulled the needle out on live TV... That wasn't entirely my point. What I was trying to get across was Anglesault doesn't get out of hand until people bait him, which was what was happening. On that note...what exactly have YOU contributed that has been intelligent lately? It's all either RVD bashing or flame-baiting. People like you always want to whine and bitch and moan about how HHHating gets out of hand (always assuming that if you're a HHHater, you're automatically a troll, of course), yet you can bartely make it a thread without getting an insult in on RVD. If there were less fucking hypocrites like that on this board, it would be a much better place to post, and places like WDI would'nt have so much shit to talk about this board. In short, fuck you. Have a nice day. So let me get this right, a flaming post about a flamer who's flames are considered hypocritical. Well, talk about hypocrits and intelligent conversation. And what exactly do you consider "baiting"? A reply addressing different points the original poster made which I strongly disagreed with? Grow the fuck up and FUCK YOU. If you weren't a mod I'd tell you to leave the fucking board so I can browse them without having to read the thoughts of another overemotional bullshitter who flames every chance he gets.
Guest subliminal_animal Posted September 23, 2002 Report Posted September 23, 2002 Okay, Brock finally decided to do a match without the boring, plodding power offense dominating. So what does he do? Use his much bragged about amateur skills? Well, uhm, sort of. But for the most part he sat there with a poorly applied rest hold for FIVE MINUTES. FIVE FUCKING MINUTES of kicking and that stupid looking bear hug, where Brock was obviously applying no pressure and resting his hands on Cena's hips, while John makes constipated faces. And the after all of this, I think he looked winded! Can someone explain what the hell happened here? Other SD! notes. I know Torrie isn't really good, but you can really tell that she tries as hard as she can out there. Chuck can't chant in rhythm. Angle/Benoit at the PPV: The winner gets to laugh without fear of attack, BAYBEE! I think Torrie is pretty good now by WWE woman's wrestling standards. I remeber when she first came in and was working matches (i.e. with Stacy) it was beyond embarrassing. Then Stacy improved a little, and Torrie still looked like a lost cause. Then she comes out in a match agaisnt Molly Holly and blows me away. Yeah it was Molly, but Torrie impressed. She's had to have been training like a mad-woman.
Guest Trivia247 Posted September 23, 2002 Report Posted September 23, 2002 Now heres a question for Anglesault.... Whom is worse, Test? or Brock?
Guest Anglesault Posted September 23, 2002 Report Posted September 23, 2002 Now heres a question for Anglesault.... Whom is worse, Test? or Brock? Until this week, I would say Test. But Brock has adapted this incredibally boring laying down bearhug that takes up copious amounts of time, and Test has been a shitty Hoss on fire lately, so it's pretty close.
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