Matches you hate

[Guest Kingpk]

Ready for this one?

 

Rock - Hogan, WM X-8. Fuck crowd heat, the match blew chunks.

[Guest godthedog]

none of the tlc matches really do anything for me.

 

both the matches hbk and bulldog had are pretty damn boring, & neither has any real, consistent flow.

 

rock/trips iron man match is really overrated.

 

i didn't like angle/benoit from wrestlemania at all the first time i saw it. on second viewing i think it's about ****, but it gets way too much love from the smarks.

 

although i enjoy WATCHING bret/austin from IYH, the thought of it really bothers me because it seems to me that this is the match that formed the blandness of the current wwf style. bret does some great heelwork and austin does some AWESOME selling, but the only thing he does to get back on offense and make a comeback is punch. he literally does almost nothing else, and it's so sad to watch thinking this was the same guy who did the survivor series match.

 

i never understood why hbk/owen from 96 is so great. too short, & it seemed like there was just too much resting going on to properly build the energy up. pretty predictable & pedestrian.

[Guest eiker_ir]

another match that i don't really hate but never liked is the Owen-Bret cage match from Summerslam 94, i think is very overrated around here and it really bored me, all it seemed to be was the two jumping to the door for 30 minutes with a few moves in between.....

 

that's just my opinion tought and i may watch it sometime again and see how it goes

 

bye

[Guest NoCalMike]

Hart/Michaels Iron Man Match was exciting for about the first 10 minutes. Then it was just reduced to a bore-a-thon of rest holds, and it was obvious from the get-go that we were dealing with two guys who refused to job to one another.

 

TLC(all of them) I will not lie, I was entertained by these, however what irks me is the fans OVEREACTION to these matches. The same people who snowed in their shorts over these match also call everything in ECW a boring spotfest that "doesn't tell a story in the ring" give me a fucking break.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I don't think the Bret/Owen cage match is nearly as good as the WM 10 match, or the Ironman, for that matter.

[Guest godthedog]

bret/owen iron man match...seven minute chinlock...ugh...

 

that match gets a whole lot of undeserved love from the majority of smarks that have seen it. bret/flair is light years ahead of it in terms of storytelling, psych and drama.

[Guest Jericholic82]

Quick thought, everyone has different tastes, so I think that we shouldn't argue the point lol its not like we'll come to the same conclusion.

 

As far as my least favorite match that everyone loves, I'd go with Hogan-Warrior from WM6 I know it's supposed to be about the angle and crowd noise, but then again so was Hogan-Rock (which contained more punches,kicks,and eyepokes then your typical Rock match, but at least Rock sells the legdrop well)

 

Savage-Steamboat WM 3 isn't mind-blowingly great like everyone says, but than again this was the 80's and the match standards were lower then.

 

I'll tell you, the reason I liked the HHH/Austin match is that each fall they did something different. first was mostly wrestling (as it was uspposed to be), second was intense brawling, third was your average cage match, thrown in the fact that these two guys were absolutely spent by this point and being kept alive only by their hatred of each other. I liked the ending too, cuz it didn't bury euther of them, but yet wasn't a fluke. They beat each other till they could both not get up.

 

But I guess I am not a true workrate freak, as it depends on the match for me. I think watching a a match live on TV as opposed to video, you enjoy it more, cuz you don't know the exact finish and time of the fall. One match I can watch again and again regardless is Cactus/HHH Street fight (as well as HIAC but not as good as the rumble IMO, but it had way more drama).

 

 

I attended Unforgiven and enjoyed Angle/Benoit but haven't seen it on tape yet, so I will wait on that. Besides I got distarcted by yelling at the fans to pay attention to the match instead of Shaq (who I soundly booed despite sitting on the very court he calls home, in threat of being shot probably, but then again I am a New Yorker so I can say LA sucks)

[Guest godthedog]

Quick thought, everyone has different tastes, so I think that we shouldn't argue the point lol its not like we'll come to the same conclusion.

 

As far as my least favorite match that everyone loves, I'd go with Hogan-Warrior from WM6 I know it's supposed to be about the angle and crowd noise, but then again so was Hogan-Rock (which contained more punches,kicks,and eyepokes then your typical Rock match, but at least Rock sells the legdrop well)

 

Savage-Steamboat WM 3 isn't mind-blowingly great like everyone says, but than again this was the 80's and the match standards were lower then.

 

I'll tell you, the reason I liked the HHH/Austin match is that each fall they did something different. first was mostly wrestling (as it was uspposed to be), second was intense brawling, third was your average cage match, thrown in the fact that these two guys were absolutely spent by this point and being kept alive only by their hatred of each other. I liked the ending too, cuz it didn't bury euther of them, but yet wasn't a fluke. They beat each other till they could both not get up.

 

But I guess I am not a true workrate freak, as it depends on the match for me. I think watching a a match live on TV as opposed to video, you enjoy it more, cuz you don't know the exact finish and time of the fall. One match I can watch again and again regardless is Cactus/HHH Street fight (as well as HIAC but not as good as the rumble IMO, but it had way more drama).

 

 

I attended Unforgiven and enjoyed Angle/Benoit but haven't seen it on tape yet, so I will wait on that. Besides I got distarcted by yelling at the fans to pay attention to the match instead of Shaq (who I soundly booed despite sitting on the very court he calls home, in threat of being shot probably, but then again I am a New Yorker so I can say LA sucks)

I attended Unforgiven and enjoyed Angle/Benoit but haven't seen it on tape yet, so I will wait on that. Besides I got distarcted by yelling at the fans to pay attention to the match instead of Shaq (who I soundly booed despite sitting on the very court he calls home, in threat of being shot probably, but then again I am a New Yorker so I can say LA sucks)

irony (n): not paying attention to a match because one is too busy yelling for others to pay attention to the match

[Guest Jericholic82]

LOL dude, you got my point. That's why I was mad! The reason I was yelling mostly was cuz the pople in front of me wouldn;t stop standing up and blocking my view with their bodies and signs.(thank god security told everyone to sit down)

[cawthon777 0]

Razor / HBK from Summer Slam 95. No one can convince me this is a better match than WrestleMania X. I saw it as Shawn's Playground where he can do some more wild and crazy stunts to get himself more over as a face. ...And then there's the whole thing about the match being put on at the last minute with no buildup just to get a higher buyrate.

 

TLC and Hell in a Cell 1 are good matches but their shock value has rapidly decreased over the years.

 

I actually liked Flair / Vader quite a bit. Not for the match itself, just for all the emotion tied up in it since Flair's career was on the line and Vader was an unstoppable monster at the time. Same reason Bret / Bulldog from Summer Slam is my favorite match.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

bret/flair is light years ahead of it in terms of storytelling, psych and drama.

Oh, I agree completely, but the Bret/Owen ironman isn't exactly chop liver.

 

Bret/Flair is way better, though.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

I am going to get flamed by atleast 4 people off the top of my head but oh well....

 

Eddy vs Edge last thusday was 10 mins of boring crap. Then booked like HBK vs HHH. So *** at max for that one.

 

Misawa/Kobachi(sp?) vs Kawada/Taue-half of this match was crowdheat and boring wrestling. Other half really good. So I split right down the middle and say ***

 

Hogan vs The Rock-stalling, crowd heat, stalling, crowd heat, stalling, finisher blocked. Finisher blocked. Finisher kicked out. Finisher kicked out. Finisher for 3. Thats the ENTIRE MATCH. **

 

HIAC II and TLC III both are **. gimmick can't top one(or ones) before it. Plus only good part were the two high spots from each match.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

There's been a quite a few Misawa/Kobashi vs. Kawada/Taue matches, and are the only environment in which I can tolerate Taue.

 

The fabled 95 matchup is the one you probably saw, and it's amazing IMO, (a lot of other opinions as well) *****

[Guest Midnight Express83]

I got it off hotline. So I didn't get the date.

[Guest Dmann2000]

These days I don't see much in HHH vs Rock ladder match. And the Triple Threat ladder match from WM 2000 has too many dead moments. I will however continue to defend Haryz vs E/C from No Mercy, first one is always the best.

[EL DANDY~! 0]

So why do people hate Hogan/Rocky from WM18? Cuz there wasn't any technicality at all? Geez...look at the talent in the ring, that kinda tells you there won't be. It's OUR Andre/Hogan from WM3. It's Hogan passing the torch to Rocky. That's what it is. It's the best story told in a match in a REALLY long time. Probably back to the Austin/Hart double turn at WM13. Benoit/Hart or Benoit/Angle this isn't, but it's still a historical match. Don't diss it becuase it doesn't have a zillion counter holds or submissions. I watched it and I was still in awe. It's just an amazing match from the historical point. I'm agreeing with everyone on the technical standpoint, however. It sucked technically, but the crowd heat made it memorable.

 

Oh, and SOMEBODY SOMEBODY SOMEBODY tell me WHY IN THE HELL nobody talks about...Flair/Perfect? HELLO! One of the best free TV matches EVER. I remember watching it and going crazy for Hennig, but then also shedding a tear when Flair left the WWF.

[Guest Special K]

I personally think that the famous Austin/Dude match where they keep changing rules is overrated. A lot of the match is solid brawling, but nothing too special, and it's ridiculously overbooked.

 

I don't like the Sullivan/Benoit match (BATB?) too much either. People who defend the match seem to say it's revolutionary... I guess because they fought in the bathroom. I think the brawl to and from the bathroom is underwhelming though.

 

WM12 Iron Man. I can forgive a long build, as long as it pays off, but these guys wouldn't sell each other's shit.

 

Steamer/Randy WM3. While it is a good match with an inventive finish, (I would probably give it ****) I always thought the match sort of made Steamer look like a pussy. Really good stuff, but not 5* IMO

 

Oh, and I also think the E/C Hardyz ladder match was swell. While TLC is undeniably a blast to watch, it's essentially just self-mutilation. Wish I had seen TLC3 though.

 

Lastly, Taker/Foley HitC is an aweful match with 2 incredible bumps. If you give a star per bump, it's still **.

[cawthon777 0]

I personally think that the famous Austin/Dude match where they keep changing rules is overrated. A lot of the match is solid brawling, but nothing too special, and it's ridiculously overbooked.

 

I don't like the Sullivan/Benoit match (BATB?) too much either. People who defend the match seem to say it's revolutionary... I guess because they fought in the bathroom. I think the brawl to and from the bathroom is underwhelming though.

 

WM12 Iron Man. I can forgive a long build, as long as it pays off, but these guys wouldn't sell each other's shit.

 

Steamer/Randy WM3. While it is a good match with an inventive finish, (I would probably give it ****) I always thought the match sort of made Steamer look like a pussy. Really good stuff, but not 5* IMO

 

Oh, and I also think the E/C Hardyz ladder match was swell. While TLC is undeniably a blast to watch, it's essentially just self-mutilation. Wish I had seen TLC3 though.

 

Lastly, Taker/Foley HitC is an aweful match with 2 incredible bumps. If you give a star per bump, it's still **.

I had forgotten about Benoit vs. Sullivan. The GAB 96 show in Baltimore is where they fought in the men's room - the following year's BATB is where Sullivan retired.

 

I thought the match was pretty damn good - especially for the times. It was a major highlight of the PPV, which I thought was pretty decent. They redid the bathroom fight during a house show in Baltimore that November, the day before World War 3.

 

It might not be revolutionary but it's one of the best matches of the year, without a doubt. It put Benoit on the map in the U.S.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

While I don't viciously hate the match.

 

Regal vs Benoit from the HWA Pillman 2000 show was being called a match of the year...I thought it was very very overrated. I think that being the event itself kind of gave the match a better rating then deserved. I thought overall it was an all right match, a little boring at times, but not a classic.

[Guest bob_barron]

While I don't viciously hate the match.

 

Regal vs Benoit from the HWA Pillman 2000 show was being called a match of the year...I thought it was very very overrated. I think that being the event itself kind of gave the match a better rating then deserved. I thought overall it was an all right match, a little boring at times, but not a classic.

I don't think it is ***** (****3/4) but I thought it was a great match- too short.

[EL DANDY~! 0]

I think it's awesome how they fit so much wrestling into 12 minutes. That match is really awesome for me.

[Guest bob_barron]

What would you give it El Dandy~!?

 

Here is my review- (the full review is at)

http://www.411wrestling.com/videos/article...p?videos_id=541

 

Regal v. Chris Benoit

 

This is their famous match from the 2000 Pillman Memorial Show. The match basically showed people that Regal was back and led to his return to the WWF in fall 2000.

 

Lockup- Regal back off. Lockup- both break. Lockup- Benoit pushes him back and they fight in the corner. Benoit works on the arm. Regal rolls out but Benoit stays strong on the arm. Regal finally reverses and is able to take Benoit down and wrenches in the arm. He’s like: Now you’re gonna get it. Regal tries to pin him down but it fails and now Benoit pins him down wit Regal briding it up. Regal monkeyflips him and they’re still fighting. All while still holding the arms together it should be noted. Benoit kicks him away and they fight on the outside with Benoit kicking ass. Back in- it gets two. Regal has bladed. Back in- Benoit works him over but Regal trips him up and locks in the Regal stretch. Benoit makes the ropes. Regal does the knee to the face thing. Regal takes him down and locks in a surfboard while crossfacing him. Benoit is like fuck this and PLANTS HIM with a German. Benoit lays in the chops. Regal goes to the kicks and knocks Benoit down. Benoit with two Germans but Regal blocks a third. Benoit fights a butterfly suplex despite Regal trying his hardest and plants him with a German. Benoit goes for the headbutt but Regal comes back and throws him from the top rope and gets some near falls. They collide into each other. Benoit rolls over for two. Benoit hammers away but Regal catches him with a rollup for two. Regal backslides him for two. Regal picks him up and plants him down for 2.99999. Regal hammers away but Benoit reverses a tombstone into one of his own for two. Diving headbutt misses. They trade waistlock reversals until Benoit gives him a full nelson suplex and locks in the crossface for the win after twelve minutes of action. Wow. That was absolutely amazing. I always wondered how one match could convince someone like Vince McMahon to bring a guy into their promotion. Matches like these show me that sometimes Vince can pick his talent. ****3/4 Benoit picks Regal up and raises his hand as Regal sells the pain and the crowd chants his name.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Rock/Hogan wasn't disliked because there was nothing technical in it - it was just bad. I don't like every match with an arm bar, and I don't like Hogan's matches either. A bad match is a bad match is a bad match. The "passing the torch" story has been done many other times, and much better, at that. It was a horrible match, and any hope of it having a good structure meant nothing thanks to the horrible offense. The fact that someone can praise this match, even in a year as bad as this, is a complete joke.

 

Benoit/Sullivan was not one of the best matches of '96 - not by a long shot. Good brawling, but also some rather dreary parts, and the finish was quite flat, too. Good for a Sullivan brawl, but when you have that pretense, it doesn't suggest anything about a great match.

 

And try to avoid coments like "this and this was ***" when you don't even know the date, please.

[Guest MillenniumMan831]

Bret / Owen WrestleMania X. Yeah, you heard me!

 

Not saying it's bad, but I can't really get into it. WWF shows didn't come on in my area from the last half of 1993 - late 1994 and I had no cable until Dec of 1994. I never got into the feud and I didn't care much for that foam on Owen's mouth at the end of the match. Plus, McMahon / Lawler annoyed the hell out of me at that time period.

 

Just tellin ya the truth as I see it.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

I'm gonna resist the temptation to say Misawa vs Kawada 94 just to rile up certain puro-elitists on the board.

 

- HBK vs Hart WM XII

- Kawada vs Mutoh Triple Crown Match

- Anything and everything Taue

- Austin vs HHH 2/3 Falls

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Curry, do you actually hate the match, or do you just hate "elitism" as you would call it? And have you actually seen any of Taue's work from 94-96, because many of the matches that he's been a part of are considered the best men's matches ever. I agree with the rest of your picks completely, though.

 

As for Bret/Owen, I didn't watch WWF back then, and I really didn't have much trouble understanding it. The clips they show of Owen turning pretty much set up the feud as much as is needed to understand it. I'd say it's pretty self-contained, and very good, too. Probably my favorite WWF match ever.

[Guest bob_barron]

Bret v. Owen is my favourite match of all time- It's just so perfect in every way.

[Guest godthedog]

Bret / Owen WrestleMania X. Yeah, you heard me!

 

Not saying it's bad, but I can't really get into it. WWF shows didn't come on in my area from the last half of 1993 - late 1994 and I had no cable until Dec of 1994. I never got into the feud and that foam and I didn't care much for that foam on Owen's mouth at the end of the match. Plus, McMahon / Lawler annoyed the hell out of me at that time period.

 

Just tellin ya the truth as I see it.

talking about the spit around owen's mouth and vince and lawler's incompetence as announcers instead of, you know, the match, speaks volumes of your standards.

[Guest Kibagami]

I never could get into the Austin/HHH 2/3 falls match. I also didn't like Benoit/Sasuke from '94 as much as I expected to. It's one of those pimped-to-death junior matches, but the whole thing seemed sort of thrown together to me, especially the finish. I liked the semi-final Sasuke/Liger much more...even Liger's coverup of the botched springboard rana at the end.

 

S.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

I thought the same thing when I first saw it, but trust me, Sasuke/Benoit is a *much* better match. The build is better, the spots play out more effectively, and it has a ton of throw backs to previous matches in the tourniment as well as a perfect blend of "strength vs. speed" "monster vs. underdog" "technician vs. flyer" and every other theme you could imagine in a juniors match. Deffinitely better than Sasuke/Liger, which was a very good match in it's own right.

 

I would suggest watching it again. It took me a few times before I could "get it" but now it's one of my all-time favorite matches.

 

Agreed on Austin/Trips, by the way - Yuck.