Okay, it's THE week.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

How about the subtitle instead?

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Deal.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Wimps.

[Guest Sassquatch]

As a Pack fan myself Kotz, you need to take some pride in your team. Just take the original bet and put your post count on the line.

 

The Pack *will* beat the Bears on MNF and your post count will be left intact.

 

I guarantee it.

 

*puts on Cheesehead hat*

[Guest bob_barron]

I'm willing to be in this wager- So I gotta put George Halas' bitch as my custom title?

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

No, I'm doing the 1000 post thing. Since most of the Packers fans here are ESTABLISHED~!, we won't go into the negatives or anything if 1000 is taken off. I'll do the avatar, sig, and subtitle thing, as well as have 1000 posts taken off my total.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest DrTom]

Ok, so I know who I can have fun with next week, who's doing the 1000 post wager, and what team are you betting those posts on to win if you are?

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

I'm with the Pack, and I'm doing it.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest Leena]

Urlacher was made to look foolish on many pass plays though.

 

Eh. Just really the touchdown pass to Moore. There's nothing else I can think of that he looked bad on. Great play-fake, though. Fooled the Bears and every cameraman in the stadium.

 

It wasn't good D. Henry as laid it on the carpet every game this year...the last 2 for TDs.

 

That's great. We all know Henry's affinity for putting the ball on the ground, but that WAS damn good defense. Henry didn't drop that ball - Holdman (I believe) ripped it out with his hands. It's not like he took a glancing hit and dropped the ball on the turf. There wasn't anything he could've done about that one.

Before this thread was turned into mindless post counting shit... take your 1 word replies to General Chat, kiddies.

 

It wasn't the Moore TD so much, the play was at the 1 so he had to focus on the run. Urlacher was out of position for the winning TD, and wasn't in position for many routes in the middle. I remember a specific play with Centers, where Urlacher was aimlessly standing there. There's no doubting Urlacher is a great player, but there is truth to the people who say he lacks in pass coverage.

 

There's no excuse for fumbles. Before Holdman ripped the ball out of Henry's hands, he was tripped up with 3 Bears in front of him. The smart play is to put your head down and accept the tackle, not to try powering through them with no momentum. Yes, it was a great play by Holdman, but Henry is to blame. 4 fumbles in 4 games IS a big deal, considering he's getting no more than 10 carries a game. The only reason Henry got back in the game, is because Bryson, who's a better running back, fumbles even more.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Kiddies? Ha. Sorry ma'am.

 

(takes his building blocks and clay over to General Chat to play with the rest of the kiddies who make one word replies)

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Wuss.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Slightly more seriously, when is this again? I tried looking around on sports sites and I came up with Monday the 7th. That right?

[Guest treble charged]

What happens if the Packers and Bears tie? I know it's unlikely, but it is possible. Do you both 'lose' the wager, or do you both 'win'?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I think they should both lose, because they're all saying their teams are superior. If they tie, the only conclusion you can draw from the score is that neither was clearly superior, and that should be counted as a loss.

[Guest DrTom]

I'd have to concur with the literal interpretation that they'd both lose, since neither team they bet on to win actually won.

[Guest Chuck Woolery]

Hey, I'll put my post count on the line. All 900+ of them, which I have worked so dutifully over the past seven months for. Go Bears!

 

Side note: I'm actually a New England fan, but I'm so bored and in need of attention from you boardgoers I'm willing to do this. It's amazing... in a sad way.

 

- Mike

[Guest Rabbi_wilson13]

I'm a fan of both Da Bears and the Pack, but I feel bad for all the people betting on Chi-Town...

 

Never bet against Favre on Monday Night. And like this game is half as important as when the Dolphins slice through your precious NFC North in the matter of a few weeks, both on MNF.

 

MUHAHAH! DOWN WITH THE PATS! RUN RICKY RUN!

[Guest Chuck Woolery]

...which is even sadder, because I am a huge Ricky mark. And I like the Patriots. And I have a soft spot for the Bills.

 

... grumble ...

[Guest Sassquatch]

When the Pack win on MNF, I suggest that the Smarts close the Sports folder down on Tuesday because Kotz and I will be laughing our ass's off at everyone one who thought that the Bears even had a chance against the mighty GB team.

 

[Guest El Hijo Del Lunatic]

It wasn't the Moore TD so much, the play was at the 1 so he had to focus on the run. Urlacher was out of position for the winning TD, and wasn't in position for many routes in the middle. I remember a specific play with Centers, where Urlacher was aimlessly standing there. There's no doubting Urlacher is a great player, but there is truth to the people who say he lacks in pass coverage.

 

Hey, I never said he was Ray Lewis. But I thought he played very well, even on passing plays. He can't be expected to be everywhere at all times, though. He can't cover Riemersma going long AND Centers underneath at the same time, which is what the Bills were doing late in the game. It's a nice piece of strategy - you either get the tight end open between Urlacher and the 2-deep safeties or you get the checkdown route with a lot of space. Washington hurts Urlacher's pass coverage, too. Without Washington, Urlacher has to commit himself to the line of scrimmage more often, which leaves a hole behind him. The Bills schemed very well, but I still wouldn't say that Urlacher was a non-factor in the game.

 

There's no excuse for fumbles. Before Holdman ripped the ball out of Henry's hands, he was tripped up with 3 Bears in front of him. The smart play is to put your head down and accept the tackle, not to try powering through them with no momentum. Yes, it was a great play by Holdman, but Henry is to blame. 4 fumbles in 4 games IS a big deal, considering he's getting no more than 10 carries a game. The only reason Henry got back in the game, is because Bryson, who's a better running back, fumbles even more.

 

Well, sort of. See, Henry's a shorter back - he's only 5'9" - and shorter backs tend to not go down after initial contact. It's a "center of gravity" thing. Bigger backs, like Fred Taylor, Edgerrin James, and Stephen Davis are more prone to get stood up simply because of how tall they are. With smaller backs, it's easier for them to maintain leverage and balance simply because they're closer to the ground, and they have a tendency to bounce off high hits. Colvin hit Henry high, and he bounced off - the only problem was Holdman was right there to put his mitts on the ball. Four fumbles in 67 carries is a pretty big deal - but I still maintain that one was damn good defense. You can't fault Henry for trying to break a tackle.

 

LUNATIC

- Pimpin' ho's and clockin' a grip like my name was Dolemite.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

As a Bills fan I would like to publically state that I feel Henry SHOULD go down at first contact from no on.

[Guest Leena]

With 2 deep coverage, shouldn't the strong safety automatically cover the tight end? It's the play I mentioned, and the seemingly strong games that the RB's and TE's had receiving that causes me to believe Urlacher wasn't the pass defender.

 

I still think that was a reckless run by Henry. For example, Thurman Thomas rarely fumbled (except in Super Bowls..), and that was because he always scooted down by the defender's legs when he was in trouble. Maybe he could have fought for the extra yard, but he had a pretty damn good career not doing that.

[Guest El Hijo Del Lunatic]

With 2 deep coverage, shouldn't the strong safety automatically cover the tight end? It's the play I mentioned, and the seemingly strong games that the RB's and TE's had receiving that causes me to believe Urlacher wasn't the pass defender.

 

No, the safeties have to cover their deep half of the field, regardless of where the tight end is. Two deep coverage is designed to let the opponents throw deep down the sidelines, because that's a harder throw to make, and the safety has more time to get over there once the ball's in the air. A few times earlier in the game, though, Bledsoe threw a few balls to Moulds running go patterns down the sideline, and Moulds is a hell of a receiver, so he's going to catch that ball in one-on-one coverage. That means the safety (say Mike Brown) on his side of the field has to respect that, and if he sees Moulds going deep down the sideline, has to commit to that route at least partially. That leaves the deep middle of the field more open on his side. Now it's Urlacher's choice to make - he can either stay with the tight end man-to-man and leave his area (and the checkdown route) WIDE open with plenty of space for Henry to make a move in, or he can hope that Brown's going to be behind him and worry about the running back. Regardless, SOMEBODY'S open. Urlacher's kinda damned-if-he-does, damned-if-he-doesn't. But that's how you beat zone coverage - you run a couple of guys in the same zone and force defenders in coverage to make decisions. You gotta hope you get time, though. Bledsoe did for the most part, and when he didn't, he ate the football.

 

By the way, talking football like this brings me great joy.

 

LUNATIC

- Pimpin' ho's and clockin' a grip like my name was Dolemite.

[Guest Leena]

Formations are not my forte, since I've never played football, so it's good to learn.

 

I would think that with a 2 deep zone, the strong safety would take the TE if he went deep. There's no way any LB could cover Riemersma for long. By being deep, he could read and react if there was a deep out going to a WR.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

I know the Packers will win now..

 

In beating the Bears game after game, year after year, Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Favre has shown his trademark strong arm and guts. But he also seems to have had an uncanny sense about the Bears' defense. It's almost as if he has known what the Bears were going to do.

 

He has.

 

The Bears-Packers rivalry picks up again Monday night in Champaign, and Bears third-string quarterback Henry Burris, the third-stringer in Green Bay last year, revealed Thursday just how Favre has known. The Packers, Burris said, have been successfully stealing the Bears' defensive play calls and getting them to Favre, either in the huddle or at the line of scrimmage.

 

"Yeah, they cheat,'' Burris said. "They knew all the signals.''

 

How does Burris know for sure?

 

He was the cheat.

 

This stands to be another chapter in the most historic rivalry in the NFL. We've heard about how George Halas used to be in a deep paranoia during practices, afraid anyone and everyone nearby, or even in the buildings across the street, might be a Packers spy. When a helicopter flew overhead, Halas instructed all of his players to drop to the turf so the Packers wouldn't see the formations.

 

Those stories added to the fun and romance of the rivalry. But who knew that stuff was real?

 

Burris, who spent just one year in Green Bay, explained the Packers' plot. He and second-string quarterback Doug Pederson, with little else to do while Favre played, were the spies. They would stand on opposite ends of the Packers' sideline, staring at the Bears' defensive coaches, who were calling in the plays.

 

"In Chicago, the Bears would put [Russ] Riederer, the strength coach, in the way,'' Burris said. "He would be, basically, the Great Wall of China, to hold us back from seeing what was going on. He could block one of us, but not both.

 

"I'd be on one side of the bench, and Doug would be on the other. One of us was going to get the signal.''

 

But how would they have time to relay the information to Favre? Remember, quarterbacks wear earpieces in their helmets so they can hear their coaches.

 

"Doug usually had a better angle, and he was wearing a headset,'' Burris said. "So he could just tell Brett, 'OK, Brett, they're playing cover-two,' or, 'They're going man-to-man,' or whatever. He was pretty accurate. I stood beside [receivers coach] Ray Sherman.''

 

Sherman also wore a headset. If Burris picked up the Bears' signals, he would tell Sherman, who would tell Favre.

 

Burris said it wasn't difficult to figure out what the signs meant. The Packers would send a scout to the other Bears games to study their defenses and see if he could connect the signals with the plays.

 

"But even when teams don't have signals before the game, you always peak over at the defensive coordinator and try to get the signals from him,'' Burris said. "You can get their signals in the first half, and then in the second half, when you see that same signal, you know what the play is, what the defense is.''

 

Dirty Packers? Well, this sign-stealing is not necessarily uncommon. That's why, if you watch University of Illinois games, you see three people sending in signals from the sideline. Some of those are dupes to confuse the spies.

 

And Burris, who knows the Packers' signals already, now is the spy who loves us.

 

"Yeah, [bears coaches] have been picking my brain this week,'' he said. "I'm ready to help out. It's all about winning and doing what you can to be ahead of the other team.

 

"The Packers might have changed some things this year, maybe even this week, knowing I'm here. But during the game, I'll be there on the sideline next to [offensive coordinator John] Shoop. 'OK, Shoop, here they come with this. Here they come.'''

 

Source: Chicago Sun-Times  

[Guest The Czech Republic]

Okay, I've been gone for too long, this crap must STOP.

 

Chicago will OBLITERATE the Ass-Packers this Monday, don't worry. We're getting our revenge from last year.

 

If the Bears lose I will leave the Graphics and Testing Grounds folder FOREVER and NEVER come back!

 

So much for high-stakes wagers, huh?

[Guest The Czech Republic]

May I also add on a mostly unrelated note that Raw is SCREWED this week.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Puss. Even what I'm doing (1000 posts, avatar and sig and subtitle on Sundays) is worse than that.

 

I think you just know the Packers are going to win, so you don't want to bet too much. Wuss.

 

And the Packers weren't cheating. We were just doing something intelligent. Not our fault the Bears players and staff are really really dumb.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest The Czech Republic]

Puss. Even what I'm doing (1000 posts, avatar and sig and subtitle on Sundays) is worse than that.

 

I think you just know the Packers are going to win, so you don't want to bet too much. Wuss.

Uh...shut up, I'm not a puss, it's a calculated risk. Yeah, that's it. Calculated risk.

 

I'm already betting $20 on the Bears with somebody, and that's more important than changing my board subtitle.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Still, you gotta think of something better than not going into the least frequented folder on the board ever again. That's like a guy betting that he vows to never swim the English Channel again if he loses.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge