General puro question.

[Guest Kibagami]

I've noticed that in Japan, whenever two wrestlers go outside the ring, and one of them rolls the other one back in, the audience applauds...and I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why. It's like popping for a chinlock as far as I can tell. Am I demonstrating my n00bness here, or is it just a cultural thing that has no real explanation?

 

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[Guest wolverine]

Good sportsmanship. Pretty obvious to me.

[Guest Lear's Fool]

Well, it's obvious to you because you know it's respected there. Equating wrestling with sportsmanship is a foreign concept to the A.E.I. over here.

[EL DANDY~! 0]

Very true. But also, when they do big moves to each other on the outside, the crowd also pops big.

[Guest DragonflyKid]

It's may be about sportsmanship but I would think the audience would want to get a good view of guys wrestling as opposed to an obstructed view of guys brawling on the outside. The ring is set up so all can see clearly, when wrestlers go to the outside certain parts of the audience might not even get a chance to know what is happening.

[Guest Lear's Fool]

Hokuto/Toyota, anyone?

[EL DANDY~! 0]

Yes...kick-ass match...so what?

[Guest wolverine]

I hope you're referring to 8/21/93, because 9/2/95 sure isn't.

[EL DANDY~! 0]

Duh...that 95 match bit my balls off and chewed them up really good like...yuck.

[Guest Lear's Fool]

I was referring to 9/95...in the sense that you can't see some of the most important action at the end because it's 1) on the outside and 2) out of the camera's view when it happens. So the viewers in Budokan missed it, and those buying the tape missed it.

 

And if we can leave discussion of our balls out of these things, we'll all be better off.

[Guest DragonflyKid]

I really enjoyed the 9/95 match, the table spots were absolutely brutal. I don't remember the camera missing the spots, the Toyota Splash and the Hokuto Senton were both captured I believe.

 

I haven't noticed the joshi fans cheering when a wrestler returns to the ring like the AJ fans do. The brawling outside the ring in AJ doesn't really add to the match except when they hit a big spot like the apron-to-the -floor stuff, the brawling in joshi tends to have more meaning such as was the case in the classic Kandori/Hokuto match from Dreamslam.

 

In AJ the ringwork was the important part, in joshi the brawling outside the ring can be just as important in the matches where hate between the wrestlers is key.

[Guest Lear's Fool]

The crux to the ending of 9/95, though, was that, after the senton, Hokuto cracked her head on the railing. The only people who saw that, though, were the people right there in the front row - no one else knew what was going on. One minute, she's killing Toyota with a dive, the next she's clutching her head and then is back in the ring getting pinned. It would have been a good moment, had it been clearer to the audience it's supposed to connect with.

 

The camera didn't miss spots - it missed details. And it appears the camera wasn't alone.