Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 Here ya go: If it's for a title shot...then it will be Angle or one of the regulars. OR friggin Edge. If it's NOT for a title shot this year... RVD.
Guest cabbageboy Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 I have no earthly idea who will win the Rumble because I dunno what they'll do with the various title scenes. You know what I think is going to happen? There will be something like an Angle/RVD draw and each will get a title shot at their respective show's title.
Guest Black Tiger Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 Assuming that WWE is serious about treating RAW and Smackdown as two different feds, then it seems natural that the winner of the rumble gets a title shot at the champion of his show, and the last guy of the other show to go out gets a title shot at his show. First off are the usual suspects: HHH: He'd have to job his title first, which I don't see happening in the very near future. Undertaker: Elbow surgery and a baby on the way, won't see him for a while. Rock: Is untouchable, will draw a pop if he's in the damn opening match, he has no reason to headline a WM. Austin: Don't hold your breath waiting for him to return. Now for the possible winners: Booker T: Over like crazy, okay in the ring, Island Boyz squashes and Goldust teaming don't look good for him. RVD: Most over guy on RAW, his matches with Benoit and Guererro did more for his career than his whole series with Jerry Lynn in terms of how to work a match. Kurt Angle: I would KILL for Angle vs Lesnar, most over heel on Smackdown and I would say he's the 2nd best worker in North America and the 3rd best in the world. One of the few guys who could do it believably and look like a million bucks in the process. Chris Jericho: Sorry, but he needs a face turn yesterday, and to get his credibility back after it was wasHHHed away fetching lotion. Edge: Most over face on Smackdown! right now and in the last few months has has shown that he has all the tools to make it as a big player. If Kurt Angle is the champion going into the rumble bank on Edge. Final Predictions: If champion is HHH: RVD, If Champion is Kurt Angle: Edge Chris Benoit If Champion is Brock Lesnar: Kurt Angle
Guest Anglesault Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 Let see. Angle, because they are fucking stubborn and are going to keep the belt on TUW, and for whatever reason, turning one of the worst faces in the company face against one of the most boring workers in the company is the way to set up Wrestlemania. Fucking Edge is another option.
Guest Anglesault Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 If Kurt Angle is the champion going into the rumble bank on Edge. Just to firmly establish that Angle will NEVER, EVER beat Edge. Because Angle's small.
Guest Brian Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 What made Angle's face turn so bad that things couldn't be fixed? Is he not receiving some of the biggest pops on SmackDown? Come AngleSault, let's argue the whole thing out for once, rather than just selctively picking things that suit your cause and iggnoring what refutes it.
Guest Anglesault Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 He can't play a face. They had to resort to the absudity of doing a partiotic gimmick against a TEXAN. The he was Austin lite, need I go on? And before you know it, he's a dork again. The reign BOMBED.
Guest Brian Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 They hadn't invested enough into his character. They gave him the dork early, then they went Austin lite. There's was no real drive for Angle as Angle, because by the time he went to win it was a patriotic thing. The reign bombed, because the made the wrong move at the wrong time. Angle was a horrible face, because he wasn't allowed to develop his own face character. He had no edge, he was basically playing Austin or patriot the entire time, and he was put up against a heel that people didn't really want to boo. Not to even mention how they handled him and the US title. If they allow him to do what he's doing now, basically a serious character who cracks jokes at guys but doesn't belittle them (like HHH), give him ambition and make him sypathetic without resorting to the tired tactics, and make him a serious contender.
Guest Angle-plex Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 My money is on the man that wins everything: EDGE~! Edge vs Lesnar at Mania!
Guest Brian Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 You mean the guy who doesn't have a program right now?
Guest Anglesault Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 Of course he can't have a program. As high as they are on Edge, they have a hard on for Brock, and anyone that overshadows Brock must get punished by doing nothing, like Angle, Edge, and Benoit are doing. Eddy lesser so, because at least he has direction.
Guest Brian Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 Edge has a plethora of heels to work with. And yet the fact that he doesn't have a program, and Benoit and Angle do doesn't strike you as odd? Are Angle and Benoit really being punished by not being allowed to go after a prop? And is what they're doing with Brock really hurting anyone else? I still think that it's almost impossible to evaluate Angle/Benoit until we see where Angle or Benoit heads after this. Who knows how they'll build out of this feud, or what the plan is.
Guest Anglesault Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 Are Angle and Benoit really being punished by not being allowed to go after a prop? Yes, a midcard feud for NO REASON is pretty stupid. And is what they're doing with Brock really hurting anyone else? ::Looks at Eddy, Chavo, Kurt, Edge, Rey and Chris Benoit doing the wrestling equivalent of standing their and picking their noses:: Uhm, Yes.
Guest Angle-plex Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 Edge has a plethora of heels to work with. And yet the fact that he doesn't have a program, and Benoit and Angle do doesn't strike you as odd? Are Angle and Benoit really being punished by not being allowed to go after a prop? And is what they're doing with Brock really hurting anyone else? I still think that it's almost impossible to evaluate Angle/Benoit until we see where Angle or Benoit heads after this. Who knows how they'll build out of this feud, or what the plan is. But Edge wins all the time. He could get in a program with Benoit, but do you really want to see Benoit lose the feud 8-2 like Angle and Eddie did?
Guest Anglesault Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 Be fair, AP. Eddy got it MUCH worse than Angle.
Guest Brian Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 As much as I like the guys, Chavo and Rey are not going to be scaling up the world title scene anytime. I doubt that the fans, even though they boo and cheer them each respectively, would view them as world title contenders. And it's the same thing that happened to Rikishi, and he was big guy who the fans were conditioned to. If you're trying to recondition the fans, than it'll be a while before both of those guys get there and are built up correctly and played up right. This is still the WWE. And even when they go up against the guys, someone like Angle can't joke around with them and than proceed to win his match, even if hard fought. Angle, Benoit, and Eddie on the other hand are all viable options. But is that Brock's fault or the booking team's inability to use them properly, because it's happened in the past and basically everytime they seem to get up they come right back to filler feuds. Or maybe it's the old guard, who aren't willing to give up or elevate people within their coveted spots? That's why Brock is left floundering in the first place, that why Angle was joke champ, that's why Benoit has never been more than a challenger. It's not a mi-card feud, first-hand. Most people view Angle as main event. The view Benoit as a high mid-carder. That doesn't make it a mid-card feud. And the reason I'm guessing they're in the feud is because someone, Angle most likely, is going to come out with some momentum and a revived character hopefully, with more depth to his wrestling. This is all testing grounds for Brock/Angle.
Guest Anglesault Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 Angle, Benoit, and Eddie on the other hand are all viable options. But is that Brock's fault or the booking team's inability to use them properly Brock's fault, indirectly. If they actually used Angle/Benoit/Guerrero, those three would totally over shadow Brock. Brock just simply can't keep up, and they can't allow guys to overshadow their champion like that. not a mi-card feud, first-hand. Most people view Angle as main event. The view Benoit as a high mid-carder. That doesn't make it a mid-card feud. And the reason I'm guessing they're in the feud is because someone, Angle most likely, is going to come out with some momentum and a revived character hopefully, with more depth to his wrestling. No, I mean storyline terms. Kaybfabed, why exactly are they feuding?
Guest Brian Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 How can you pin blame on Brock? Oh I see. He got strong and a good build, won an NCAA tournament, signed a WWE contract, and worked hard in the developmental league, and because they decided to push him, everything he did before contributed to this. I see the logic there. It seems to be a case of one upsmanship with Eddie sort of caught in the middle, doing a little stirring the pot. The basic premise seems to be that they hate each other and each guy thinks he's better. The execution has been poor.
Guest Anglesault Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 I can blame Brock because his matches are awful, his character sucks, and there is no signs of improvement on the way. And like i said, if they let anyone over shadow Brock, even less people would care about TUW, and Vince won't stand for it. The basic premise seems to be that they hate each other Why? Why just all of a sudden do they hate each other? The execution has been poor. Terrible
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 now, now, he said indirectly. All 'Sault's trying to say is he thinks guys like Eddy and Angle aren't getting any direction on Smackdown because what they can do in the ring blows away what the show's supposed #1 guy can do. So instead they take heat off them with non-angles. Brock still has heat because his in a high profile feud with a high profile guy running on 2 months now.
Guest Black Tiger Posted October 9, 2002 Report Posted October 9, 2002 Brock's problem is that the booking team rushed him. He was just fine in the beggining when he was squashing no-names and low carders, then they rushed him up the card too fast and next thing you knew he was the champion. Now that Rock and Austin are gone and HHH is on RAW, Brock really has no top guys to work with. Angle and Benoit, I could give a rats ass why they are feuding, if they keep cranking out awesome matches then its fine with me. Eddie and Chavo found their niche in the dwindling tag division. Edge is sort of stagnet right now. All the guys he was just feuding with are in new programs and he's been elevated enough to the point that he can convincingly beat anyone else on the show. Okay, enough of this debate, this is supposed to be about Rumble predictions already.
Guest Brian Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Oh yeah, I agree to the fullest that somebody else should be in his position? But awful matches and showing no signs of improvement is quite a bit of an exageration. Everyone's character sucks right now. The thing is about Brock is they they left loose ends with RVD, they had him selling far too much, and they built him up for three weeks as a contender for the title.
Guest Banky Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Lesnar is quite good for a big guy, cynical wrestling fans simply resent his massive push. Quite frankly, his match with Rocky was better than most of the Summerslam card. It had great heat, good storyline, and darn good action. Lesnar would be profitting much better if he was away from the Undertaker, but if he was allowed to work a high profile match with someone talented - he'd be good. Lesnar isn't my favorite wrestler, but it is ignorant to dispute his talent and termendous upside. He will be a big star in the years to come, and he'll deserve every second of it. Who'll win the Rumble? A face Kurt Angle, thats who.
Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 If Angle, Jericho, RVD, or Benoit dont win the rumble, I give up on WWE. Because if they dont, Albert will end up winning it. HE'S A HOSS GAWD DAMNIT~!
Guest Anglesault Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Lesnar is quite good for a big guy, And Valentine was good for Grade D horror films.
Guest Banky Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Valentine was a perfect B movie, and Lesnar is pretty good for a big guy. So yes, your analogy shows Lesnar is in fact talented.
Guest Brian Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Lesnar does fine given his constraints. He's proven to do a good job working WWE main event style.
Guest Anglesault Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Valentine was a perfect B movie, and Lesnar is pretty good for a big guy. So yes, your analogy shows Lesnar is in fact talented. And I've never bough into "He's big but not the slowest moving creature on earth, so PUSH HIM TO THE MOON~!" when you have so many other non-hoss wrestlers that are much better than him. Besides, I don't find him to be that good for a big man anyway. My big man standard is Vader, and he doesn't match up.
Guest Banky Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Exactly! How can anyone discredit his work as a big man? He's done fairly well, not great or excellent but good. He'll only improve as he competes against better workers. He has GREAT potential.
Guest Anglesault Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Exactly! How can anyone discredit his work as a big man? He's done fairly well, not great or excellent but good. He'll only improve as he competes against better workers. He has GREAT potential. Number two on my least favorite reasons to push a guy: potential. I don't give a shit how good he could be. If he's not good now, don't push him.
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