Jimmy Carter wins Nobel peace prize

[Guest Cancer Marney]

No need to look for anything, really. Johnstone accepts his 1999 views as representative; the same book argues that we should have stayed out of World War II as Hitler posed no threat to the United States. Any further quotations would be redundant.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

marney I never heard of that arguement. Anyhow, we couldn't have stayed out of WWII, we got bombed, remember?

 

--Rob

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

We were attacked by the Japanese, but Buchanan says we shouldn't have declared war on Germany as well.

 

Please get rid of that sig picture also. It just totally kills any image of you knowing what you're talking about.

 

Kotzenjunge

Guesses All the Fossils He's Seen are Fakes

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Buchanan is trying to start a new conservative magazine because he says phoney conservatives are running things know. For the millions of conservatives Pat Buchanan can go to hell.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Please get rid of that sig picture also. It just totally kills any image of you knowing what you're talking about.

hahahahaha, good stuff, and agreed on by me.

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

"But come on, those are all really old quotes, people's views change."

 

You know, Robby old pal, coming from you, that has to be one of the most hilarious statements I've heard all this week.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

marney I never heard of that arguement

Please go over page 268 more carefully, as well as the rest of the chapter. I've always known your reading comprehension is bad, but this is ridiculous. You quote the book and recommend it along with "some other fine titles" and you don't seem to know what it says. Really, you remind me of the fat, clueless, directionless bourgeoisie housewives who buy thick books just to leave them on their coffee table in order to impress the neighbours but never open them for any reason other than to crease the spine and bend a few pages because they can't actually read.

For your edification, from the book YOU cited:

 

"Following his victory, Hitler made no overt move to threaten US vital interests. As of mid-1940, his actions argue that beneath the overlay of Nazi ideology, he was driven by a traditional German policy of 'The Drive to the East.' In this analysis, Hitler had not wanted war with the West. Hitler saw the world divided into four spheres: Great Britain holding its empire; Japan, dominant in East Asia; Germany, master of Europe; and America, mistress of the Western Hemisphere."

- A Republic, Not An Empire, p268-9

 

Anyhow, we couldn't have stayed out of WWII, we got bombed, remember?

Oh, I remember, thank you. But you might want to give Pat Buchanan a call, because he seems to have forgotten. Flip back a few pages and you'll find this gem:

 

"In early 1941, FDR froze all Japanese assets, cutting off trade, including oil. Without oil, the Japanese empire must wither and die. The oil embargo was 'economic war' against an oil-starved nation. FDR knew the consequences of an oil embargo and approved, because he wanted Japan to attack. A war with Japan was the only way he could take us to war in Europe. FDR seemed anxious to get into the war, [but since he was] elected on a promise to stay out... FDR needed to maneuver Japan into firing the first shot."

- A Republic, Not An Empire, p285-7

 

As for his opinions on anyone or anything changing, I would expect that you'd know more about a candidate before you'd fucking ENDORSE him, but then ignorance has always been a hallmark of a RobJohnstone argument:

 

"If this country accepts the idea that homosexual liaisons are the same as traditional marriage, which is a God-ordained building block of society, this country is on the road to hell in a handbasket."

- Nader/Buchanan debate on Meet the Press, 10/1/00

 

"AIDS is in effect what happens to people as a consequence of unnatural and immoral sex."

- National Public Radio interview, 5/30/00

 

I wonder what you're going to say now? Something like this, perhaps?

"Well, his views could have changed in two years, even though they haven't for the past quarter of a century..."

 

Uh-huh. Hey, I guess I should vote for this asshole anyway, even though he'd want to first fire me from my position, because obviously women don't have the "drive" to serve their country, and then burn me at the stake, since I'm an "abomination" before God, and my sins caused 9/11, right?

Sorry, for some reason I have a difficult time accepting anything said by you or the rest of his blind, stupid, or just plain evil apologists. It seems pretty damned clear that Pat Buchanan is a racist and an anti-Semite, a wannabe Nazi, and a filthy hate-mongering son of a bitch. The White House in 2004? Don't make me laugh. The American people are not that stupid. The only place Pat Buchanan is going is straight to hell, and I hope he rots there.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

marney I never heard of that arguement

Please go over page 268 more carefully, as well as the rest of the chapter. I've always known your reading comprehension is bad, but this is ridiculous. You quote the book and recommend it along with "some other fine titles" and you don't seem to know what it says. Really, you remind me of the fat, clueless, directionless bourgeoisie housewives who buy thick books just to leave them on their coffee table in order to impress the neighbours but never open them for any reason other than to crease the spine and bend a few pages because they can't actually read.

For your edification, from the book YOU cited:

 

"Following his victory, Hitler made no overt move to threaten US vital interests. As of mid-1940, his actions argue that beneath the overlay of Nazi ideology, he was driven by a traditional German policy of 'The Drive to the East.' In this analysis, Hitler had not wanted war with the West. Hitler saw the world divided into four spheres: Great Britain holding its empire; Japan, dominant in East Asia; Germany, master of Europe; and America, mistress of the Western Hemisphere."

- A Republic, Not An Empire, p268-9

 

Anyhow, we couldn't have stayed out of WWII, we got bombed, remember?

Oh, I remember, thank you. But you might want to give Pat Buchanan a call, because he seems to have forgotten. Flip back a few pages and you'll find this gem:

 

"In early 1941, FDR froze all Japanese assets, cutting off trade, including oil. Without oil, the Japanese empire must wither and die. The oil embargo was 'economic war' against an oil-starved nation. FDR knew the consequences of an oil embargo and approved, because he wanted Japan to attack. A war with Japan was the only way he could take us to war in Europe. FDR seemed anxious to get into the war, [but since he was] elected on a promise to stay out... FDR needed to maneuver Japan into firing the first shot."

- A Republic, Not An Empire, p285-7

 

As for his opinions on anyone or anything changing, I would expect that you'd know more about a candidate before you'd fucking ENDORSE him, but then ignorance has always been a hallmark of a RobJohnstone argument:

 

"If this country accepts the idea that homosexual liaisons are the same as traditional marriage, which is a God-ordained building block of society, this country is on the road to hell in a handbasket."

- Nader/Buchanan debate on Meet the Press, 10/1/00

 

"AIDS is in effect what happens to people as a consequence of unnatural and immoral sex."

- National Public Radio interview, 5/30/00

 

I wonder what you're going to say now? Something like this, perhaps?

"Well, his views could have changed in two years, even though they haven't for the past quarter of a century..."

 

Uh-huh. Hey, I guess I should vote for this asshole anyway, even though he'd want to first fire me from my position, because obviously women don't have the "drive" to serve their country, and then burn me at the stake, since I'm an "abomination" before God, and my sins caused 9/11, right?

Sorry, for some reason I have a difficult time accepting anything said by you or the rest of his blind, stupid, or just plain evil apologists. It seems pretty damned clear that Pat Buchanan is a racist and an anti-Semite, a wannabe Nazi, and a filthy hate-mongering son of a bitch. The White House in 2004? Don't make me laugh. The American people are not that stupid. The only place Pat Buchanan is going is straight to hell, and I hope he rots there.

blah, I just bought the book like 2 days ago, I have had to chance to read it. I've only read one of his other book.

 

--Rob

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Sadly, I've agreed with Buchanan a couple of times, but not on the points above.

 

He was ranting against a former(?) Bush speechwriter on the Hardball MSNBC show a few nights ago. He was going on about how old-school Conservatism would dictate to pulling our troops out of the Middle East, as there's no way we can police what's going down over there as they're far too mired in their own religion for us to be any help.

 

I felt like I needed a shower after that.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

And, on the original subject:

 

I'm not going to throw a fit about this, because it happens on every network every day, everytime someone with an agenda (everyone) makes an editorial descision on what to show and what not to show. But I thought this one was particularly interesting since it makes Carter out to say something he didn't say at all. It wasn't just obfuscation, it was direct manipulation.

 

Dan Rather: One Nobel official said that giving the award to Carter was, quote, "A kick in the pants to President George Bush's calls for war." Carter, however, saw things differently.

(cut to soundbite)

Carter: Well... kick int he pants.. no, I do think Saddam... creates a threat--- CUT

 

Of course, implyin that Carter is in favour of war with iraq. No mention is made of his criticism of Bush's policy. Wow, that was fun. An extra three seconds given to Carter and he would have completed his sentence, clarifying his opinion and making it clear that he is against war with Iraq.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Don't worry, I don't think anyone gives that spineless wretch so much credit.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Rob Stone talking about Buchanan would be less amusing to me if he didn't repeatedly screw up the spelling of his last name.

 

It didn't help his points when he started citing links from "The people who brought you the John Birch Society" for his Panama claims.

 

Jimmy Carter winning was odd to me. But, it's hard to pick somebody who has worked the best for peace in a year of war like this.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Can we just go back to giving Nobel Peace Prizes to the Ghandis and the Dali Lamas and the Mother Teresas of the world (hopefully there's still people out there with the same ideals), instead of giving it to hypocrites or people who defy the very meaning of the prize? Thanks.]

 

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[Guest Kotzenjunge]

You're out of your goddamn mind if you think Bush or Blair should win the PEACE Prize.

 

Kotzenjunge

Laughs Heartily

[Guest Cancer Marney]

"...and one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

 

Since Nobel's provisions place form over substance, making no mention of morality but only of "fraternity," holding up destabilisation as "peace" with a wretched, fulsome naivete that would make any three year-old proud, I agree. They're still doing approximately a billion times more for the peace of the world and the good of humanity than Carter, but I don't want my President or the leader of our British friends to dignify this pathetic, meaningless, so-called "distinction" with their names.

 

Let the terrorists' speechwriters share the stage with the terrorists.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

You're out of your goddamn mind if you think Bush or Blair should win the PEACE Prize.

 

Kotzenjunge

Laughs Heartily

Put me in a straight jacket because both are way more deserving than Jimmy Carter. Ronold Reagan who helped end communism in Eastern Europe is more deserving that that boob Jimmy Carter.

 

Vern Gagne

Typing with a Pen

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Fear not. My vote for Nader will cancel out Robstone's vote for Hitler.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Gee, if they started up a Nobel War Prize, I wonder who's win?

 

 

Hmmm hmmmm hmmmmmmm....

 

Although, I bet on the second year, Arafat could claim to be the first guy to hold both the Peace Prize and the War Prize. He could be like Jericho, going on about how he's King of the World while the Israelis are bulldozing his compound.