They think they got them

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Well when world war 3 starts because some leader decided it was worth it, and the nukes are flying, remember one thing. (And thats exatcly how its gonne happen)

 

Have a nice day from CynicalProit.

[Guest DrTom]

You just dont read anything I post do you../

Unfortunately, I've probably read the bulk of it.

 

Once again, look at Richard Jewel, they went after him and he was innocent.

He was a suspect who turned out not to be the culprit. Things like that happen frequently, and only the fact that it happened at the Olympics makes it high-profile.

 

I understand they are over worked and underpaid, but notice how 2 planes crashed into a couple of buildings, id call that a pretty good reason to start firing people for incompentancy since they let it happen.

You absolute imbecile. No one in federal law enforcement let 9/11 happen. There were a ridiculous amount of dots connect and a lot of unexpected things to put together, and there's still no guarantee they would have been able to stop it. This was something that had never been done before, so it's not like they had a pattern or precedent to work with. AFTER THE FACT, some things came to light, and they're very easy to analyze once you know the result. The problem is, they're next to impossible to analyze BEFORE you know the result. No one who is taken seriously has implicated federal law enforcement for "incompetence" regarding 9/11, but that doesn't stop the moron element from bleating into the wind anyway.

 

Yet do you hear about a massive layoff in the FBI? No.

Probably because, like the CIA, they're undermanned to begin with.

 

I'm sorry but the INSANE amount of screw ups that lead to 9-11, which were all EASILY fixable, are no excuse for what happened.

It's very easy to say that AFTER THE FACT. Unfortunately, when you're dealing with a bunch of possibly-related things, it's hard to tie them into something cohesive, especially when nothing of the sort has been attempted before. If you think you could have done so much better, how come your application isn't on file with the FBI?

 

Am I stupid becaue I propose an idea?

No, but proposing a stupid, uninformed idea makes you stupid and uninformed.

 

Sorry for thinking that people on all levels might not be goodie-twoshoes.

Spare us the whiny melodrama. Of course not everyone in law enforcement is as pure as the driven snow. But to suggest that the wrong men have been captured because maybe, possibly, there's a chance the cops and the FBI are a bunch of crooks is ridiculous. There's also a chance that the two men in custody are aliens from the planet Zeist. It's pointless to throw out wild possibilities and vague what-ifs without something to back up your claims.

 

Not saying they are doing I am saying it is possible.

Possible and probable are two different things. If you think it happened in this case, you should expect someone to ask you why, and you should have a better answer than, "Because they can."

 

You keep forgetting about the realm of possiblity, they could have the wrong guys.

I'm not forgetting that at all. But having followed the case every day, watched and read the news, and spoken to a few people with some knowledge of it, I'm confident the right men are in custody. When the evidence against them is considered, I'm even more confident.

 

I need to see all the evidance first, then decide.

As a civilian with no involvement in the case, you'll never see all of the evidence and you'll never hear all of the arguments.

 

And it should be noted some people have completely pissed all over their fbi careers to sell secrets to foreign countries.

It should also be noted that those people did it for a lot of money. That certainly doesn't excuse what they did, but it's a more rational motive than catching someone just to calm the public.

 

And its colleged educated certin.

It shows... What "colleged" did you go to? Was "certin" in their dictionaries there?

 

People bitch about my cynicasim, why, cause I am I the only one who notices this insane level of stupid shit?

No, but you're the only one who chronically bitches about it while not looking at the big picture. Btw, it's "cynicism." If you're going to incorrectly attribute a quality to yourself, do yourself the favor of spelling it right.

 

Am I the only one who knows we elected, and I use that word loosely, a C student to be our elected leader?

And I suppose you'd just ace every subject at Yale. That's right, you went to "colleged," so you know everything.

 

Am I the only one who thinks going to war over 1 guy, who we still havent proven is involved in 9-11 other then being a member of the same group that the hijackers were a member of, is a really stupid fucking idea? (Its really over oil)

You fucking retard, IT'S NOT ABOUT OIL. We now get about 10% of our oil from the Middle East. TEN PERCENT. And that ten percent could be easily replaced by buying from Alberta, Russia, or Venezuela. So why would we possibly be fighting over oil? In our own reserves and what we have in shale and in Alaska, we have access to more oil than has EVER come from the Middle East. You still want to say it's about oil? This is why people quite correctly call you a cretin: you're dreadfully misinformed, but that doesn't stop you from taking a situation and applying the worst possibility based on your misinformation. Learn a little, do a little fucking research, then shoot your mouth off. Right now, you can't back shit up, and you're just another idiot bleating into the wind.

 

HELL THE UN SAYS ITS A BAD IDEA.

Well, stop the presses and bring the boys back home, then. The UN, the model of virtue and relevance in international relations and politics, has deemed something a bad idea, therefore it must be so. How silly of us to think that Saddam's documented payments to terrorists, WMD programs, and growing nuclear capability were some kind of threat that needed to be dealt with. The UN hath spoken, and all yon dissenting voices shall now fall silent.

 

Call it whining, I call it telling it like it is.

"Telling it like it is" is the last thing you're doing.

 

11,000 dollars and Im out of Amreica

We won't miss you.

 

our leaders do thier best to appease everyone, and get nothing done by doing it. (11,000 dollars and Im out of Amreica), mediocrity is being called super, when I graduated from college C students were getting jobs ahead of me, I had A's and B's and 2 C's in 2 years, yet I dont get offered a job and the C student who hardly showed up to class gets 4? Kids graduate from highschool without being able to read, yet its ok. Public education is reaching new levels of mediocrity by the year...

All fallouts from the tragically-misnamed "Great Society." Ever since then, personal responsibility has been in the shitter, the government has been the breadwinner for too many families, disastrous national education policies have ruined public education, and political correctness dominates everything that gets done. None of what you've described is the fault of current leadership. The problem is, reversing course would be a task beyond Herculean.

 

Every time a Stealth bomber crashes, which is half the time

Again, you're spouting off your misinformed opinions and calling them facts.

 

Cigerattes, despite all proof that they kill you 100%, are still leagal. HELLO, MAYBE THEY SHOULDNT BE MADE!

Maybe it's not the government's job to protect people from their own vices, and squash hundreds of perfectly legitimate farmers in the process.

 

This is cynical, if you were a true cynic, this would be your boat.

That's not cynical; it's unrelentingly negative and ignorant.

 

You cant walk anywhere without something being sold to you...

The consequence of a free market economy. Considering that it's a million times better than the alternative, I'll put up with a few annoyances along the way. The problem with your mislabeled "cynicism" is that you just carp about individual things and refuse to look at the big picture.

 

Yet our government is all about war and issues of internet porn...

The federal government can't stop people from killing each other. They can't stop people from raping each other. They can't stop people of all ages from acting on evil impulses. These are the consequences of a free scoiety: even the bad people are free to do things that are detrimental to the society. The only way to stop people from doing things like that is to have an intrusive police state, which just isn't going to happen.

 

WHAT HAPPENED TO MAKING THIS COUNTRY GREAT, WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT MENTALITY?

This is the greatest country on earth. No, it's not perfect, and it has never been nor will it ever be. But it is better than anything else out there.

 

I complain because the world doesnt believe world peace is possible, yet I know it is.

It's not possible. Give up the pipe dream. And if that's what's making you so "cynical," you might want to find a different, more attainable cause to get behind instead of bitching about everything under the sun.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

You absolute imbecile. No one in federal law enforcement let 9/11 happen. There were a ridiculous amount of dots connect and a lot of unexpected things to put together, and there's still no guarantee they would have been able to stop it. This was something that had never been done before, so it's not like they had a pattern or precedent to work with. AFTER THE FACT, some things came to light, and they're very easy to analyze once you know the result. The problem is, they're next to impossible to analyze BEFORE you know the result. No one who is taken seriously has implicated federal law enforcement for "incompetence" regarding 9/11, but that doesn't stop the moron element from bleating into the wind anyway.

The FBI and CIA DID NOT SHARE INFORMATION WITH EACHOTHER, THEY ARE TRYING TO NOW CREATE A NEW BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT TO FIX THIS. By not sharing information and trying to be glory hogs, 9-11 happened. Yeah its easy to say it after the fact, but look at it this way, if these are the people who are running our security and national defense, do you feel safe knowing how they work? I dont, I dont find it excusible for them to not be working in corporation with eachother from the get go. What is the point of not telling other branches of security something may be going down?

 

My better answer to why, because capturing guys puts society at ease. And Ill say it again, yeah these are probably the guys.

 

As a civilian with no involvement in the case, you'll never see all of the evidence and you'll never hear all of the arguments.

Then why will they have a trial then? Why not just shoot them in the street. Those trial transcripts are suppose to be available to the public.

 

Ive stated it before, I am a lousy speller. And i quoted you on "certin."

 

NO i never said I would ace anything at yale, but shouldnt our elected leader be better then the average person? I mean isnt the point of electing someone to a position of power, because they are intellegent and will make smart decisions, not average ones.

 

The Un hardly ever agrees, that was my point.

 

"The B-1 bomber has the highest mishap rate of any aircraft in the Air Force's bomber fleet, according to the Air Force Safety Center." http://www.reporternews.com/2001/local/bone1220.html

 

I've been told they crash half the time, I will no admit, that information appears to be wrong. I WAS WRONG,.

 

Ok, you doubt its about oil, I cant. Why send troops to war for one guy? They want the land to get the oil, cheap, or to start a war over oil to drive up the price. Where money goes, politics follow. Fine, thats my opinoin, but I dont see the point in sending in troops after one guy.

 

http://www.alternativeculture.com/news/godoy.txt

http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/qov.html

http://propagandamatrix.com/bush_thwarted_..._fbi_probe.html

http://propagandamatrix.com/oil_rush.html

 

All fallouts from the tragically-misnamed "Great Society." Ever since then, personal responsibility has been in the shitter, the government has been the breadwinner for too many families, disastrous national education policies have ruined public education, and political correctness dominates everything that gets done. None of what you've described is the fault of current leadership. The problem is, reversing course would be a task beyond Herculean.

 

Why is it so impossible, because it would require effort? If we dont reverse course, were doomed. You dont blame the government for setting up a welfare program that is flawed, and medicade that will be dead by the time im 55 or 60? Leadership hasnt been about leadership, thats the problem, its about being the leader, its not about helping people anymore, Roseevelt cared, I dont see that concern in other leaders, now its about winning and being relected.

 

The only reason cigs are still legal is because the tobacco industry has lobbyist and lots of money. You could stop making cigs, grow hemp, and make alot more useful things. Um, how does growing tobacco do anything but help fuel the cig industry? Why not grow fruit and vegtables instead? Those usually dont kill you. Cigs server no positive purpose, they dont provide nutritents, or entertain. All they are is one of 2 legal drugs.

 

The big pictures if we dont fix this stuff, we will disappear. Thats the big picture. I nor you should have to be subject to invasion by an advertiser. From POPUPs, to mcdonalds wrappers on the street, you shouldnt have to be subject to it. Theres no reason to bombard me with porduct lables, other then to sell me a product. I dont want the product, I never will, yet I have to see it just about everywhere I go. Mcdonalds, Windows OS, I dont want these things, yet because I meet the target audeince, they are advertised at me. I dont mind the free market, I encourage alternatives, but sticking your label on everything from stock cars to pencil ereasers is disgusting. Id lake to make a choice based on my opinion, not by the company who has the most money and can get the most shelf space in a store. Also, i dont need phone calls at 9am trying to sell me newspapers, especially after i already told them, no.

 

Yet like they've done in england, i believe, setting up cameras on street corners can be done(God knows that would help LA). No they cant stop evil, but they dont bother to do much about it. People sit on deathrow for decades, why? After DNA evidance, eyewitnesses, fingerprints,etc, I think its time to kill the guy.(And yes I know, evidance can be faked, but a guy shooting someone in broad daylight with eyewitnesses should not be alive for 2 decades.) Witnesses are affraid to talk, because the police cant do enough to protect them. Thats not right.

 

I dont know, Ive been to Germany, Ive been to Canada, they both were alot nicer then here. I havent heard about planes flying into buildings in Canada. I refuse to say, were the best. Were the best because WE won the wars and thats how the history books were written. We killed anyone who opposed us, that doesnt make us great. Americans destroyed the native americas society to the sad state it in today, I wouldnt call that something to be proud of. We destroyed to make us appear great, that doesnt mean we are great.

 

TELL ME WHY IT ISNT POSSIBLE, TELL ME WHY WE CANT ALL SAY HEY LETS NOT KILL ONE ANOTHER. WHATS SO HARD ABOUT THAT. Its not a pipe dream, if one can dream it, one can achieve it, yeah its gonna take work and time, but it is possible. Take the teleportation device, its close to becomming a reality, despite when it arrived in sci-fi, it was just that, sci-fi, but science spent time working on it, and we've teleported molecules, which means maybe in another 100 years, it will be a reality. Robots were a thing of sci-fi, yet we built them. World piece is not impossible, its just so many people dont believe it because the worlds leaders has crushed the idea because it woud destory money and power and told us its not possible. Bullshit. Being told i cant live in a world where we all get along, makes me mad, it makes me cynical, it makes me doubt what people tell me. Sorry, thats how I feel when Im told, no, we cant get along as a world. If we cant get along as a world, what chance do we have to survive, were just gonna end up killing everyone. Whats the point then. 1 guy saying, we won. I hope he's happy all alone.

[Guest DrTom]

The FBI and CIA DID NOT SHARE INFORMATION WITH EACHOTHER, THEY ARE TRYING TO NOW CREATE A NEW BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT TO FIX THIS.

You don't know how your government works, do you? Almost all of the time, it is illegal for different government agencies to share information in the manner you've described. It might not be the smartest thing on the books, but it's designed to protect the little guy from various agencies ganging up on him. In the past, when agencies wanted to "share" information, they dumped it into the FinCEN database. Considering that no one knew we were dealing with the kind of threat we were, I don't fault everyone. You can't stop everything.

 

Then why will they have a trial then? Why not just shoot them in the street.

I've been asking that since they were arrested.

 

And i quoted you on "certin."

Except that I spelled it right.

 

but shouldnt our elected leader be better then the average person?

Well, the average person can't get into Yale. Despite achieving average grades, President Bush has done a very good job as a world leader since taking office. Are you aware that Al Gore's academic record isn't exactly sterling, either?

 

The Un hardly ever agrees, that was my point.

And my point was that they're an irrelevant organization. They've refused to take the lead on any issue in the last year-plus, which has forced the USA to do it. Not that we can't, but if the UN shares our ideals, they should be right there, too. Instead, they do things like toss us off the HRC while letting brutal regimes stay on it. They're clueless when it comes to the situations we're currently facing. We showed them evidence of Saddam Hussein's WMD program, and they dismissed it as truckers going to a party. At this point, we should do what we know is right and not give two pins what the UN says about it.

 

Why send troops to war for one guy?

Because he's a tyrant who threatens his region and the world at large.

 

They want the land to get the oil, cheap, or to start a war over oil to drive up the price.

How would driving up the price of oil benefit us, since we're not the sellers? As I said, we don't even the need the Middle East for oil anymore, and I'd love to see us cut our ties completely in that respect and buy from Alberta, Russia, and Venezuela. The point is, we don't need their oil, so there's no reason for us to go over there and fight a war over it.

 

Nice liberal links, btw. Berekley? Come on.

 

Why is it so impossible, because it would require effort?

No, it's impossible because it would require fundamental, sweeping, and unpopular societal change. Believe me, I'd LOVE to see us reverse course on a lot of things. But we've been in the era of instant gratification, blame shifting, and superfluous litigation for too long. It sucks, but it's a fact of life right now.

 

its not about helping people anymore, Roseevelt cared, I dont see that concern in other leaders, now its about winning and being relected.

This is a concern across government. Congressmen are in the pockets of special interests, lawyers and lobbyists have way too much power, and personal agendas and outside compensation have replaced acting in the interests of one's constituents. I'd love to see it changed. I'd love to see lobbyists kicked in the junk, then kicked right off of Capitol Hill. I'd love to see term limits in Congress. I'd love to see real campaign finance reform. I'd love to see the Constitution mean everything to both parties.

 

But you know what? Warts and all, the system works. It's flawed, some of the people in it are crooked, and a lot of the people it governs have become supremely uninterested in any aspect of it. But it works, and we're the best county on earth because it works.

 

Yet like they've done in england, i believe, setting up cameras on street corners can be done(God knows that would help LA).

I hate the idea of that. Anything that brings us closer to Big Brother, while taking basic freedoms away from the citizens, should be wholeheartedly discouraged by everyone who gives a damn about the principles this country was founded upon. Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.

 

People sit on deathrow for decades, why? After DNA evidance, eyewitnesses, fingerprints,etc, I think its time to kill the guy.

I'll agree with you here. If the DNA evidence is overwhelming, just flip the switch and be done with it.

 

I refuse to say, were the best. Were the best because WE won the wars and thats how the history books were written.

No. We are the best because we are the example of freedom and democracy. We are the example that a tyrant isn't necessary to run a country, that religious fanatics don't deserve a say in government and won't get one, that we the peopleis more than just three words written over 200 years ago. We are the last, best hope for democracy on this planet, and we fight to defend that principle worldwide. THAT is why we're the best.

 

TELL ME WHY WE CANT ALL SAY HEY LETS NOT KILL ONE ANOTHER. WHATS SO HARD ABOUT THAT.

Because people will always be motivated to take something belonging to someone else. It is in our nature to kill, and you can't just turn that off by wishing it would go away and shouting for peace. World peace is a noble dream, but it's ultimately a pipe dream.

 

Take the teleportation device, its close to becomming a reality

Come again?

 

The things you want (most of them, at least) are all quite nice. The problem is, they're all ideas, and neither this country nor (especially) this world is a Utopia. Good luck in finding it, but if you're intent on searching for it, I'd get used to disappointment.

[Guest Kagato Otaku]

TELL ME WHY IT ISNT POSSIBLE, TELL ME WHY WE CANT ALL SAY HEY LETS NOT KILL ONE ANOTHER. WHATS SO HARD ABOUT THAT. Its not a pipe dream, if one can dream it, one can achieve it, yeah its gonna take work and time, but it is possible. Take the teleportation device, its close to becomming a reality, despite when it arrived in sci-fi, it was just that, sci-fi, but science spent time working on it, and we've teleported molecules, which means maybe in another 100 years, it will be a reality. Robots were a thing of sci-fi, yet we built them. World piece is not impossible, its just so many people dont believe it because the worlds leaders has crushed the idea because it woud destory money and power and told us its not possible. Bullshit. Being told i cant live in a world where we all get along, makes me mad, it makes me cynical, it makes me doubt what people tell me

 

That isn't cynicism.

 

It's optimism bordering on delusional fantasy.

[Guest MrRant]

Take the teleportation device, its close to becomming a reality, despite when it arrived in sci-fi, it was just that, sci-fi, but science spent time working on it, and we've teleported molecules, which means maybe in another 100 years, it will be a reality.

I dinna think we have the power Captain.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Being told i cant live in a world where we all get along, makes me mad, it makes me cynical, it makes me doubt what people tell me

 

Why would we as people in the first world, not want world peace if given the chance? We would welcome it in a second, but we are not given the choice.

 

There will always be haves and havenots, and it is the ambition of the havenots that leads to war. We go to war to protect our way of life from the psychos out there who want to destroy us. It is not our choice, hence there is nothing we can do about. Even if the entire earth was one nation, this wouldn't be prevented.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

How hard is it to call up one group and say be on the look out for such and such. If its a matter of security, shoudnt that be the issue?

 

I've been asking that since they were arrested.

 

What about their rights to a fair trial?

 

You did spell it right, I was wrong again. And im a lousy spell.

 

Well, the average person can't get into Yale. Despite achieving average grades, President Bush has done a very good job as a world leader since taking office. Are you aware that Al Gore's academic record isn't exactly sterling, either?

 

And you're gonna tell me that his family's money and influence didnt get him in? I never said vote gore, its the same puppet on another hand as far as im concerned. Lets also look at the Skulls and Bones connection, he was a member, and skull and bones members, or atleast a vast majority have gone onto high political stature. His father was a member. Its all just a friends helping friends thing. The president apoints his friends, which share his beliefs and view points. It does nothing more then allow him to play favors. And lets get even more into his personal problems and his denial of his coke use when their is evidance to support it. Which proves one thing, drug use means nothing so long as you can handle it. (http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm) See also, Barry, Marion.

 

Let us also rember the pre 9-11 poll from cnn, i believe, Bush approval ratings was at 33%. Day after 9-11, 80 odd percent. HOW? He did nothing. I will always remember the photo of the aid telling him what happened, he was scarred shitless. He had no idea what to do and he knew he was fucked. And all this time later, were still combing a desert for 1 guy who may or maynot be alive.

 

Thats the problem with this country, we care more about other places then our own state. Shouldnt we fix ourself first, then worry about everything else. If OBL wants to destory his people, let him. They will kill themselves and then no one will deal with them for their actions agaisnt their people. Problem solved. We're trying to run the world, which is beyond stupid. Run one country, not all.

 

How would driving up the price of oil benefit us, since we're not the sellers? As I said, we don't even the need the Middle East for oil anymore, and I'd love to see us cut our ties completely in that respect and buy from Alberta, Russia, and Venezuela. The point is, we don't need their oil, so there's no reason for us to go over there and fight a war over it.

 

It doesnt benefit us, it benefits the rich, and guess what, the Bush family is a major owner or investor in oil companies, Bush, senior and adult, have ties to top oil companies and excutives. Its how politics work, you scratch my back, I give you money.

 

No, it's impossible because it would require fundamental, sweeping, and unpopular societal change. Believe me, I'd LOVE to see us reverse course on a lot of things. But we've been in the era of instant gratification, blame shifting, and superfluous litigation for too long. It sucks, but it's a fact of life right now.

 

"We gotta make a change...It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes. Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live and let's change the way we treat each other. You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do what we gotta do, to survive." -2Pac (Any time you can quote him is a good day.) I still refuse to believe we cant do it. I always invision a great war, with all enemies lined up in a row, guns drawn and ready to fire. And then it hits them, like a bolt of lighting, theres no reason to fight or kill. It solves nothing and just leaves pain and sorrow in its wake. Call me a dreamer, but if i pass that message, there is hope that the message will continure. True story from WW2, during X-Mas, germany and america soliders, who had been fighitng for weeks or days, stopped shooting, exchanged gifts and celebrated together, while the war was still going on. Its sad that right then and there they didnt completely realize how stupid war is. they went back to fighting the next day. I couldnt have.

 

But you know what? Warts and all, the system works. It's flawed, some of the people in it are crooked, and a lot of the people it governs have become supremely uninterested in any aspect of it. But it works, and we're the best county on earth because it works.

 

Lets also point out our country is a few trillion dollars in debt. And when the money stops working, this country will fall. It will happen, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but it will.

 

I hate the idea of that. Anything that brings us closer to Big Brother, while taking basic freedoms away from the citizens, should be wholeheartedly discouraged by everyone who gives a damn about the principles this country was founded upon. Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.

 

Im all for freedom, whatever you want to do in the privacy of your home, so long as it hurts no one else (except for B&D, which involves concent so its ok), its not my business, but the moment you go out into public, that ends. You cant shoot people in public(or in private, but work with me here), you cant walk around naked in public. I wouldnt mind the cameras becuse hey, it would make the place safer because people would know they are being watched, while in public.

 

If you want to partiscipate in society, you have to behave. Yet people dont. If you want to run around naked fucking chickens while wearing a power ranger helmet in your own home, be my guest, its not my business. But the moment you take that into the public, no. I dont see how it sacrifices liberty, anyone who is going to do nothing wrong, wouldnt need to worry about the cameras, it wouldnt bother them because they arent doing anything illegal. Yet the reasons the cameras would be there, for law breakers, who dont deserver liberties, so fuck them. Its not an invasion of privacy because it doesnt go into the home. Besides, what about my right to live in peace and feel safe. Cameras would help me feel that way and anyone else who has had to walk alone at night.

 

No. We are the best because we are the example of freedom and democracy. We are the example that a tyrant isn't necessary to run a country, that religious fanatics don't deserve a say in government and won't get one, that we the peopleis more than just three words written over 200 years ago. We are the last, best hope for democracy on this planet, and we fight to defend that principle worldwide. THAT is why we're the best.

 

Name one leader in this country who wasnt a member of a religion, that automatically makes them biased to their belifes. This country was founded on christian ideas. The whole abortion thing, which leaders take sides on, is a religious issue, and it still is a focal point for a person running for office. This country is run by religious beleifs, yours or mine, religion is still something people use to vote a canidate on. Hell Jerry farwell ran for president. Yet legally, he could win, and then the country would have went neo-christain and it would have all been legal, because while the country doesnt have a religion, the leader does. You cant win with religion, its just another form of seperation and another politic.

 

And fighting for democracy in Vietnam was a good idea how? We lost that war. How does attacking a country because of the actions of 20 people work for democracy? How does killing indians work for democracy? How did segration work for democracy? (Yes we did fix that, but still we had it) Notice how we are the only country fighting to defend democracy? And isnt that a stupid reason to go to war, because people vote/dont vote, differently then us? I dont care how the Chez(sp) live or run their country, thats their business, not mine, not my governments.

 

Do you know the gentic code of our existance? I dont beleive its in our nature to kill, society and possessions created that, greed created that, envy created that. Man created the gun.

 

Scientist in Austra teleported a molecule or atom, forget which, across a short distance. A professor i know has a friend who works for the Govt and they have been working on teleportation for years and they done it, but only in super small sizes. teleporation started out as an idea and it is becomming a reality. Robots were once just ideas created by sci-fi writers, now they are realities. Flight by man was once an idea, now flying is common place. All it takes is an idea for reality to occur.

 

http://www.jeffeco.com/Review-1.html

 

links on the teleportation reality. The articles information is more accurate then mine since Im going off something i read a few years ago.

 

Im cynical because people tell me, you cant have world peace, its a pipe dream. And that make me doubt people, that makes me think they are only out for self, not a greater good. i have a negative attitude because few people believe we can have world peace anymore. Few people believe we can live in harmony. So we all nod our heads, let them make bigger bombs and in the end, all that will be left is a cold empty nothingness.

 

World peace is easy, stop hating and except one another. Not hard. No hatred, no violence. Leave eachother alone. I dont talk to my neighbors, they dont talk to me, we get along fine, theres no hatred from it. (I have issues with how they live, but it doesnt mean i need to kill them) You've just been raised to think its not possible. The 60's movemnt said it could be done, but then the government killed it and it hasnt recovred. Hell people that want world peace and are in high enough postions tend to die at a high rate. MLK, Lennon, Marley, Bill Hicks. All men were great speakers and said, yes world peace is possible, all are dead. If you are in a noticable postion and ask for peace, you will get killed, thats why politics dont mention it.

 

Man this is getting fun.

[Guest J*ingus]

Tom has done an admirable job thus far in this debate, but I guess he's gone to bed or something, so now... ::cracks knuckles::

 

How hard is it to call up one group and say be on the look out for such and such. If its a matter of security, shoudnt that be the issue?

 

Like Tom said, it doesn't matter. It was illegal to share information in that way. They COULD NOT do it. Now, it's apparent in hindsight that was a mistake, and it's being fixed.

 

What about their rights to a fair trial?

 

They'll get one. Too bad all the people they shot didn't.

 

You did spell it right, I was wrong again. And im a lousy spell.

 

You're telling me, I think you spell "beliefs" like four different ways later on.

 

And you're gonna tell me that his family's money and influence didnt get him in? I never said vote gore, its the same puppet on another hand as far as im concerned. Lets also look at the Skulls and Bones connection, he was a member, and skull and bones members, or atleast a vast majority have gone onto high political stature. His father was a member.

 

The S&B is an overglorified fraternity with Masonic delusions of mystical grandeur. It's nothing more than a treehouse club for rich boys. The fact that most members are Yale students who born rich and powerful to begin with has much more of an effect on their lives than the fact that they happened to be a Skull.

 

Its all just a friends helping friends thing. The president apoints his friends, which share his beliefs and view points. It does nothing more then allow him to play favors.

 

You approach a point here. But still, who should he appoint? Complete strangers? If his friends and colleagues can do the jobs well, why not hire them?

 

And lets get even more into his personal problems and his denial of his coke use when their is evidance to support it. Which proves one thing, drug use means nothing so long as you can handle it. (http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm) See also, Barry, Marion.

 

When was that, thirty years ago? I've known a couple of cokeheads, and I couldn't care less. It's not like they're brain-fried heroin or PCP addicts. I don't care if someone did a few lines decades ago.

 

Let us also rember the pre 9-11 poll from cnn, i believe, Bush approval ratings was at 33%. Day after 9-11, 80 odd percent. HOW? He did nothing. I will always remember the photo of the aid telling him what happened, he was scarred shitless. He had no idea what to do and he knew he was fucked. And all this time later, were still combing a desert for 1 guy who may or maynot be alive.

 

Um, yeah, presidential approval ratings usually go up in a combat situation, way up in a situation like 9/11. Yeah, he was scared, just like every other American with a brain. Yeah, we're still trying to find Osama, or his corpse. So? We know all this. What's your point?

 

Thats the problem with this country, we care more about other places then our own state. Shouldnt we fix ourself first, then worry about everything else. If OBL wants to destory his people, let him. They will kill themselves and then no one will deal with them for their actions agaisnt their people. Problem solved. We're trying to run the world, which is beyond stupid. Run one country, not all.

 

Eh? "OBL" wasn't destroying his own people: he was destroying two of the tallest buildings in the world, and destroying 3000 American civilians while he was at it. We certainly have a right to get the sonofabitch.

 

It doesnt benefit us, it benefits the rich, and guess what, the Bush family is a major owner or investor in oil companies, Bush, senior and adult, have ties to top oil companies and excutives. Its how politics work, you scratch my back, I give you money.

 

Let me say this just one more time:

 

IT IS NOT ABOUT OIL.

 

Iraq contains less than 1% of the world's oil supply. The US produces more oil than they do. So does Canada, and the countries that Tom named. The Middle East is NOT the oil capitol of the world. OPEC does NOT have a monopoly like they did in the 70's.

 

And how would driving up the cost of crude oil benefit America, when we buy and use lots of oil but export practically none?

 

"We gotta make a change...It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes. Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live and let's change the way we treat each other. You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do what we gotta do, to survive." -2Pac (Any time you can quote him is a good day.)

 

Funny how a 90's rapper can sound exactly like a 60's hippy. But hey, weed is weed, no matter what race you are or what decade it is.

 

I still refuse to believe we cant do it. I always invision a great war, with all enemies lined up in a row, guns drawn and ready to fire. And then it hits them, like a bolt of lighting, theres no reason to fight or kill. It solves nothing and just leaves pain and sorrow in its wake. Call me a dreamer, but if i pass that message, there is hope that the message will continure.

 

You are a dreamer. Sorry, but without divine intervention, it ain't gonna happen.

 

True story from WW2, during X-Mas, germany and america soliders, who had been fighitng for weeks or days, stopped shooting, exchanged gifts and celebrated together, while the war was still going on. Its sad that right then and there they didnt completely realize how stupid war is. they went back to fighting the next day. I couldnt have.

 

I've heard several stories like that, from various times and places (two or three from the Civil War alone come to mind). But still, those are the exceptions, not the rule. A soldier's job is generally to kill enemy soldiers. It's what they're supposed to do. What about the countless stories of wartime horrors and atrocities which left nothing but death and pain? Stories about cruelty are much more common than kindness.

 

Lets also point out our country is a few trillion dollars in debt. And when the money stops working, this country will fall. It will happen, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but it will.

 

Yeah, we're in debt, but... well, it's complicated. I had it explained to me once by an economics professor, and it took a few days of class time. In a nutshell, we're still the richest country in the world, and we're owed much more money than we owe.

 

And what do you mean "when the money stops working"?

 

Im all for freedom, whatever you want to do in the privacy of your home, so long as it hurts no one else (except for B&D, which involves concent so its ok), its not my business, but the moment you go out into public, that ends. You cant shoot people in public(or in private, but work with me here), you cant walk around naked in public. I wouldnt mind the cameras becuse hey, it would make the place safer because people would know they are being watched, while in public.

 

I would mind cameras because A.I like my privacy, and B.They treat the symptom, not the disease.

 

If you want to partiscipate in society, you have to behave. Yet people dont. If you want to run around naked fucking chickens while wearing a power ranger helmet in your own home, be my guest, its not my business. But the moment you take that into the public, no. I dont see how it sacrifices liberty, anyone who is going to do nothing wrong, wouldnt need to worry about the cameras, it wouldnt bother them because they arent doing anything illegal. Yet the reasons the cameras would be there, for law breakers, who dont deserver liberties, so fuck them. Its not an invasion of privacy because it doesnt go into the home. Besides, what about my right to live in peace and feel safe. Cameras would help me feel that way and anyone else who has had to walk alone at night.

 

I hate the argument "a good person has nothing to hide". Of course we do. Everyone does.

 

Name one leader in this country who wasnt a member of a religion, that automatically makes them biased to their belifes. This country was founded on christian ideas. The whole abortion thing, which leaders take sides on, is a religious issue, and it still is a focal point for a person running for office. This country is run by religious beleifs, yours or mine, religion is still something people use to vote a canidate on.

 

Um, yeah, we know. Your point?

 

Hell Jerry farwell ran for president. Yet legally, he could win, and then the country would have went neo-christain and it would have all been legal, because while the country doesnt have a religion, the leader does. You cant win with religion, its just another form of seperation and another politic.

 

For the country to go "neo-christain", first arch-conservative fundamentalists would have to gain control of Congress and the Supreme Court as well, not to mention the state and local governments. The President is not a king.

 

And fighting for democracy in Vietnam was a good idea how? We lost that war.

 

Yeah, 'Nam was bad. What does that have to do with our present situation?

 

How does attacking a country because of the actions of 20 people work for democracy?

 

Attacking which country?

 

How does killing indians work for democracy? How did segration work for democracy? (Yes we did fix that, but still we had it)

 

That happened decades and centuries ago, and everyone who caused those actions is long dead.

 

Notice how we are the only country fighting to defend democracy? And isnt that a stupid reason to go to war, because people vote/dont vote, differently then us? I dont care how the Chez(sp) live or run their country, thats their business, not mine, not my governments.

 

I'm trying to figure out what you are trying to say there. We shouldn't fight for democracy? We should let tyrants rule any way they want?

 

Do you know the gentic code of our existance? I dont beleive its in our nature to kill, society and possessions created that, greed created that, envy created that. Man created the gun.

 

We created the gun, but Nature created carnivores. Check out your sharp front teeth sometime. Murder was around a long time before Man.

 

Scientist in Austra teleported a molecule or atom, forget which, across a short distance. A professor i know has a friend who works for the Govt and they have been working on teleportation for years and they done it, but only in super small sizes. teleporation started out as an idea and it is becomming a reality. Robots were once just ideas created by sci-fi writers, now they are realities. Flight by man was once an idea, now flying is common place. All it takes is an idea for reality to occur.

http://www.jeffeco.com/Review-1.html

links on the teleportation reality. The articles information is more accurate then mine since Im going off something i read a few years ago.

 

Yeah, ideas can become reality. But the teleportation experiments underway now aren't like the first airplane flight; they're more like the first time someone blew up a ballon and let it fly across a room. They're very primitive, spending enormous amounts of time, effort, and money to obtain very limited results. That's how it is in experimental research, which is a vital necessity, but at least 90% of it only leads to dead ends.

 

Im cynical because people tell me, you cant have world peace, its a pipe dream. And that make me doubt people, that makes me think they are only out for self, not a greater good. i have a negative attitude because few people believe we can have world peace anymore. Few people believe we can live in harmony. So we all nod our heads, let them make bigger bombs and in the end, all that will be left is a cold empty nothingness.

World peace is easy, stop hating and except one another. Not hard. No hatred, no violence. Leave eachother alone. I dont talk to my neighbors, they dont talk to me, we get along fine, theres no hatred from it. (I have issues with how they live, but it doesnt mean i need to kill them) You've just been raised to think its not possible. The 60's movemnt said it could be done, but then the government killed it and it hasnt recovred.

 

World peace will never exist. There will always be evil people out there who are perfectly willing to attack and victimize the innocent. That is nature, and cannot (as far as we know) be changed.

 

Hell people that want world peace and are in high enough postions tend to die at a high rate. MLK, Lennon, Marley, Bill Hicks. All men were great speakers and said, yes world peace is possible, all are dead. If you are in a noticable postion and ask for peace, you will get killed, thats why politics dont mention it.

 

What bullshit! If you are a peacemonger, you get killed?! Come the fuck on. It's not like it's some giant conspiracy to cause death and chaos. King was murdered by a racist who didn't like them uppity Negroes straying from their place. Lennon was murdered by a loner psycho wackjob who thought he was a phoney and deserved to die for it. I don't know how the other two died, but I doubt it was from being assassinated by underlings of the Giant World Conspiracy For Military Action (a subsection of the Illuminati, I'm sure).

 

Man this is getting fun.

 

Glad that someone enjoys this. Oh wait, no I'm not.

[Guest MrRant]

YES! Jingus listened to me. The Disection returns!

[Guest cynicalprofit]

You approach a point here. But still, who should he appoint? Complete strangers? If his friends and colleagues can do the jobs well, why not hire them?

 

How about people, who are competent, is that to much to ask instead of playing favors for old college buddies.

 

When was that, thirty years ago? I've known a couple of cokeheads, and I couldn't care less. It's not like they're brain-fried heroin or PCP addicts. I don't care if someone did a few lines decades ago.

 

And let’s remember the campaign his mother started.

 

I wasn’t scared, neither was my roommate or my gf, or my roomies friend that he brought over. As the leader of the country, I expect some composure.

 

Point is there’s you're money being wasted to find 1 guy, one guy. OBL was bad example, he isn’t killing his people.

 

When Germany lost the war, their money became worthless, it stopped working. I remember this picture in a history book of German children using stacks of money as building blocks because the money wasn’t worth the paper it was printed on.

 

I hate the argument "a good person has nothing to hide". Of course we do. Everyone does.

If you aren’t committing crimes, what are you so afraid of? I don’t admit to being perfect, but if I’m going downtown, I’m not committing crimes and I don’t care about cameras, its not in my home where what I do is my business, when you go out into the public, you don’t have the same rights as you do when you're in your home. You can’t fuck in public, but you can in your house. When you go out in public its your basic function to behave in a civil manner, not commit crimes, which is what the cameras would hopefully prevent, and catch those who do.

 

Point was, religion is running the country. It’s a christain who is at the helm and his beliefs influence his decisions and actions. This country is not religion free. If a Buddhist was president, I doubt there would be troops sent over due to the peaceful nature of Buddhism (at least of what I know of it, basically them being peaceful nonviolent people)

 

For the country to go "neo-christain", first arch-conservative fundamentalists would have to gain control of Congress and the Supreme Court as well, not to mention the state and local governments. The President is not a king.

 

True, but with a person with those morals will pass bills that will favor what he believes, so if it was a pro pot law, forget it. If it’s antiabortion, it will pass if it gets to him. It makes the process a lot easier. If Supreme Court judges die/ retire, they will appoint members who share their beliefs. We need an atheists or woman in power, but that’s my opinion.

 

Nam is an example of what fighting for democracy can get us. A bunch of dead people who died to fight for democracy when Vietnam(sp) is still a functional country.

 

Were going to war with Afghanistan(sp), if I recall correctly, because 20 guys ran 2 planes into a building. Yet people in Afghanistan(sp) don’t necessarily believe in what those 20 men did. Its not like this is 2 armies fighting, this is the US govt. going after a country based on the actions of 20 men.

 

That happened decades and centuries ago, and everyone who caused those actions is long dead.

Tell that to native Americans who are still oppressed, name one native American senator, I don’t know of any.

 

We should let other governments run themselves, even if it is straight into the ground. Because China doesn’t want to be a democracy, doesn’t mean we should go and fight to give the people democracy. Maybe the people don’t want it. Sides, I don’t live their, its not my business. It’s not my governments business how their country is run. Its up to the people of China to worry about their problems, my country has enough problems without trying to fix theirs at the same time. The us is the bully of the world, we've got the largest army and we love to use.

 

Killing to eat is different then killing because of what someone has and there are herbivores. I don’t eat other humans.

 

As far as we know which means we haven’t bothered to go far enough.

 

The other 2 died of cancer. Leaders, as a general rule, are war ready and want to fight. You don’t find politicians who want peace. It’s not profitable. I still just find it strange that people who want peace and reach a certain level of notoriety tend to get killed. There's FBI files on Hicks, Marley, Lennon, and King, just saying since the only criminal that I know of in the bunch is Lennon for a pot bust, yet the FBI was investigating them.

 

Sorry you don’t enjoy debates. It’s getting fun.

 

And I’m a lousy speller. Sorry if that skill isn’t perfect. I’m glad to know everyone else is perfect at it.

[Guest EricMM]

Puh-leeze tell me you grandmaster plan for "fixing" our state.

 

How would you turn Americans into uber-giving people.

 

All I want is the slightest most infintesimally (word?) possible plan. Explain it. Because you can tell Bush to fix your problems for you all you want, but A. you can't keep dissing him in the same sentance and B. if you have no concept of how to do it, don't recommend it.

 

You're almost as dillusional as RobJohnstone was..

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

True story from WW2, during X-Mas, germany and america soliders, who had been fighitng for weeks or days, stopped shooting, exchanged gifts and celebrated together, while the war was still going on.

 

It was World War I, between the British and Germans and by that point it was a war that nobody really wanted to be on, but no side was willing to lose.

 

World War II was a war against an evil tyrant. What should we do, surrender? I'm sure everyone would be better off if we just let Hitler win.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

I don't even feel like getting in to a long winded debate with you, since the other guys are much more skilled at this and doing a fine job, and it appears you're dellusional beyond repair, but one point I'd like to correct you on is we didn't go to war with Afganastan because 20 of their people flew planes into our buildings. Those people were Saudis and part of a terrorist organization led by Osama Bin Laden who took credit for the attacks. We had great reason to believe OBL was being given asylum in Afganastan. We COULD have just gone in there and bomb the hell out of them. WE DIDN'T!!! if I remember correctly it took us a month before we went in, since we asked their tyrant government, the Taliban numerous times to hand over OSB and we wouldn't touch them! They refused many times, stating that he was "their honored guest" and we had no proof against him. Finally, we went in and took them out. And how can you say the people aren't better off for it too? Bin Laden might have escaped but by destroying the Taliban, women can read without being beaten and raped, and men can cut their beards without being tortured. The people are grateful to us, the only one's who we are fighting are the remaining warlords that are scattered in the country.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

I am in no way condoning the actions of rape or murder of any people, all I'm saying is its not my business. If the government and people are truly at odds, a revolution will come from those people.

 

You want a plan for world peace, what do I look like, Jesus? I'm just 1 guy. I'd like to see your plan for world domination while were at it.

 

Simple enough idea, destroy everything and start from ground up. That’s the best plan I have on short notice. No religion, no computers, nothing, and that means, world wide baby. We existed and survived before taxes and computers, sure we were better of technology wise, but there was a lot less problems with war and a lot less pollution. Im sure that idea scares the crap out of some people, but really would starting over and learning from our mistakes really be that bad of an idea. Hey, lets not make guns because we know what they do. You have to catch your food with your own intellegence, not bullets. I'm not gonna mind not having health care, my family has strong genes and lives long. Those with weaker ones will die, its the theory of evolution. The strong will survive.

 

Who is robjohnstone?

 

We still have no concrete proof that OBL had anything to do with 9-11. Just cause your a Klansman, doesn’t mean your a murder, just cause he’s a member of alkaka(sp horribly spelled wrong), doesn't mean he had anything to do with 9-11. Where is this proof that he was behind it, I think that would have made the national news. We believe he's there, doesn’t mean he is there.(But he probably is) Our intelligence agency is like what 3 months behind the guys actions?

 

I said it before and Ill say it again, these people and their problems aren’t yours or mine's business. If they don’t like how their country is being run let them make a difference. Don’t use the US army or any other countries army to be their defense because when we leave, do you really think things are gonna stay the same "free" way? I don’t. When our defenses clear back out, its gonna start all over again because those people didn’t make a difference, our army did.

 

I have skill according to slapnuts, wow.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I was told it was my turn to reply here, but I really can't be bothered. Trying to change the "minds" of people like "cynicalprofit" is like trying to build a sandcastle out of dogshit: even if it works, it'll still stink.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

We existed and survived before taxes and computers, sure we were better of technology wise, but there was a lot less problems with war and a lot less pollution.

 

War has always existed. The reason there are no Neanderthals anymore is because we (Homo Sapiens Sapiens) wiped them out, long before civilization ever existed.

 

Back then war was worse, because if you lost a single battle your entire civilization was destroyed in many cases, simply because populations were so much lower. It is far better today.

 

If we decided to just scrap everything and start over, it wouldn't make any difference. We would just be killing each other with spears instead of guns. This isn't just limited to the human race, several other animals (Hippos are a good example) can't stop killing each other either. The only reason we still exist as a species, is because we are for the most part intelligent enough to know better.

 

Furthermore, it is people like us who protect the human race from those sub-human monkeys that don't know any better. Technology is not the problem. All technology does is give us different ways to kill people. Personally, I would rather be shot than be dying of the plague because the enemy decided to catapult dead bodies into your town.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

Hey Marney, what's up with the Cancer before your name?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

^ not an X-Files fan

[Guest cynicalprofit]

That wasnt war, that was survival of the fitest. War is an army thing. And the Neanderthals got outbred. They werent smart enough to evolve so evolution left them at the wayside.

 

Please, if we stripped away everything, and I mean everything, we would have to work together or die. There would be no need to kill others because if you did you would die as well.

 

But no, you're right, you cant stop killing, atleast not at this point in our evolution, but you can erease most reasons for doing it. No the world cant be perfect, atleast not tomorrow, but it can exist in a shit load of a better state then it resides in today. But still, at a certain point were going to have to enolve to the point where its either we kill ourselves off with our technology, or we get to world peace.

 

Sure the lesser intellegent animals fight, but doesnt the fact we fight as well just prove how maybe we've over stated our intellegence atleast in some cases? I mean are we really that smart because we build bombs that can kill millions of people, I mean doesnt that just prove how truly unintellegent we are at heart?

 

Im gald to know everyone around here doenst really believe we can get better. Enjoy WW3 and watching society crash with film at 6 and 11.

 

I think the word Cancer says more than I can.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

"Than," you flaming idiot.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

LOUSY SPELLER AM I.

Happy now daddy.

[Guest EricMM]

So your method world peace involves killing most of the world's population?

 

Cuz, I mean, without our technology, we couldn't feed most of the population, infant mortality would skyrocket, and hey, we'd be back to square one.

 

Lemme tell you. Square one SUCKED.

 

And if you think wars are something new, you're off your rocker.

 

I mean, christ, we'd all live to be 40 again. That would SUCK.

 

We'd freeze, starve, and be a lot more uncomfortable.

 

There is no point in going back to the jungle. We came out for a reason. There's bears in the jungle. What we need to do is control our population, then we'd be so much better off. Most of the worlds problems are caused by too many people with too few resources, fighting over them.

 

People need to want to control their population. It's not easy (or particularly right) to impose these things on people.

 

I dunno, it's like, you don't like the truth CP. Why not? Is it scary? Is it depressing? It kind of is. But it's also reality. In reality we will NEVER go back to pre technology, and it would be terrible if we did. TERRIBLE.

 

You have yet to raise more than one valid point, and you practically made the one by accident. It's very hard talking to you, and not just because you type so badly. I really do recommend typing slower. And thinking more. Please.

 

Or else marney is completely right.

 

Oh hey, marney, too bad you were typecast. But your diatribes (sp) are really effective. You and Tom and others are better at communicating than others (like me).

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Hey if you're not willing to help the world, get off of it. And if you cause tyranny to people, the very people you are a tyrant to will kill you for it.

 

And look at the great society we made while out of the jungle, guns, bombs, taxes, slavery, politics, drugs and the list goes on. Maybe we shouldn’t live past 40 anyway, ever bother to think that, there's a reason we go senile and our bodies decay, because we aren’t ment to live forever. Is it really living to be old and fragile to the point where you can do nothing but lie in bed? Is that really living? Is that really what you hope to gain by living for so long? The strong survive, but in the world today we do our best to make sure everyone can, that is retarded. We shouldn’t not be paying for people to live via social services; we should not be trying to guarantee everyone can live forever. All you will do is continue to over populate. If god does exist, and everything is part of his plan, every think maybe cancer and aids is population control, I’m not saying it is, I’m just proposing the idea.

 

I give up, fuck it. Since NO ONE thinks world peace is achievable, and no one thinks we can eliminate hatred, there’s no point in even arguing it. Keep them and enjoy watching the world flush itself away. I'll be laughing my ass off as the bombs drop. We, as a whole collective, let ourselves get this far, at any point we could have said stop, hell we can still do it, but no one wants to.

 

If the truth involves lying, where’s the truth. Just cause everyone tells you world peace is not possible doesn’t mean it isn't. So many people have just given up hope for the world its truly sad. I’m sorry to believe everyone around here doesn’t think the world can be a nice place. Well fine then. Have it your way. When kids are born with email address tattooed on their arms be happy. No one wants to make a difference anymore, its all ok and we accept the fact everything is fucked. Everyone thought Rome was doing fine, and look what happened there. Nero played as the empire burned to a ground.

I’m done trying to convince anyone here other wise about world peace. Since no one seems has hope for the world.

 

Now a days there isnt a child being born who wont have access to a computer, thats a solid fact. And computer and technology dependence will only continue to rise, can/do people even make toast without a toaster anymore?. Soon there will be a computer chip in everything. So when that technology fails, since everything eventually does fail, what will society do since all they know is the technology? Or, how about when technology turns on humanity.(There was a robot with insanely good AI, and while not being monitored, he esacped and got out into the parking lot. He tried to get free, even in the most limted sense, he was doing something he was NOT programed to do. Think about that.)

 

Reality is only what you accept it to be, because people except we can't have world peace, its not gonna happen. CHANGE YOUR REALITY!

 

This world can only end in one of two ways, peace or death; there is no in-between. We will either destroy ourselves or we will make peace with each other. If I have to be the only one rooting for peace, fine.

 

And with the following Im done.

 

"Imagine" By John Lennon.

 

Imagine there's no heaven,

It's easy if you try,

No hell below us,

Above us only sky,

Imagine all the people

living for today...

 

Imagine there's no countries,

It isnt hard to do,

Nothing to kill or die for,

No religion too,

Imagine all the people

living life in peace...

 

Imagine no possesions,

I wonder if you can,

No need for greed or hunger,

A brotherhood of man,

Imagine all the people

Sharing all the world...

 

You may say Im a dreamer,

but Im not the only one,

I hope some day you'll join us,

And the world will live as one.

 

(God did this not just end up completely off topic to the start of the thread)

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

And look at the great society we made while out of the jungle, guns, bombs, taxes, slavery, politics, drugs and the list goes on...

Education, Medicine, Public Health, Transportation, Communication beyond grunts, Clean Water, Good Food, Public Order, Organized Communities more sophisticated than a really strong guy with a club, Clothing, Shelter better than caves and huts, and a general sense of well-being, no matter how "cynical"(ignorant) you claim to be.

 

If you want to go out and live in the woods, fucking go for it. There's plenty of forests out there, fuck, go to Africa, live among the Pygmies. They don't even use FIRE, is that primitive enough for you? Give us a call when you run out of toilet paper, and when you turn forty, do us all a favor and off yourself by immolating your body on a thousand barrels of oil that millions and millions of Iraqis died for because America was just that greedy, right? Is that how that goes?

 

You're lower than a neanderthal, do you share the sloping forehead? Hell, with your supremely evolved concience, you should do dandy out in the wilderness, right? You fucking putz. Have you ever spent more than a weekend in the sticks without sleeping in a nice new tent? Go ahead and build a lean-to and fish with a spear, I'll be sucking down cigarettes and Kraft macaroni and cheese, laughing at your stupidity, just like I am right now.

[Guest DARRYLXWF]

I give up, fuck it. Since NO ONE thinks world peace is achievable, and no one thinks we can eliminate hatred, there’s no point in even arguing it.

That's the smartest thing you've said so far.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Obviously, if no one believes world peace is possible (which it isn't, unless achieved through massive bloodshed) it will never happen.

 

The only way world peace can be achieved is if everyone on earth is eradicated except for one single like-minded population, and those people aren't the sort looking for world peace, those people are called nazis.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

I'll be sucking down cigarettes and Kraft macaroni and cheese, laughing at your stupidity, just like I am right now.

 

That is the exact line of thinking that makes me wonder about humanity, I enjoy paying for my death and prefer crappy substitue foods, and i laugh at you if you think we can evolve beyond it and I want healthcare even though I choose to kill myself with the way I live, and I want to live a long life, but not bother to do the things that will make it occur.

 

No matter how much technology you make, it doesn't make the world a better place, because someone will always twist it for evil.

 

*puts middle finger up*

 

Note to self, you cant win because, A, everyone thinks technology is the best thing and its magical wonderful powers are the best things ever, and B, people dont believe world peace is possible. So if anyones got any idea how to combat that, I'm all ears, cause i tried and my way didnt work.

[Guest MrRant]

As long as that evil involves hippy beating then I am ok with that.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

your "way" didn't work because it didn't put forth a single fact or logical theory. The goal is also absurd. Return to a primal state? That's completely ridiculous in and of itself, the debate need not continue past that.

 

And it's pretty funny to talk of evolution when you basically are asking people to do the very opposite. This IS evolution, and if you don't like it, embrace jeebus.