Guest LaParkaMarka Posted October 24, 2002 Report Posted October 24, 2002 I haven't watched in a couple of weeks, except during commercials of MNF. Raw is simply not entertaining.
Guest DawnBTVS Posted October 24, 2002 Report Posted October 24, 2002 I can't boycott cause as mentioned earlier wrestling's in blood. Watching Raw has just become such a natural habit that I can't switch it off. Plus it follows Boston Public in my viewing schedule
Guest The Hamburglar Posted October 24, 2002 Report Posted October 24, 2002 It worries me that people won't stop going on about Triple H being the main problem on Raw. Obviously that wacky Hunter and his hooooooolding down hurts things, but to concentrate on him takes attention off the two genuine core problems. The first being the unbelievably shitty writing of course, and the second, and most damaging one IMO, is the fact that the Raw roster is shit. Its full of shitty wrestlers and half-decent wrestlers who are being lazy and shitty. When people bemoan the fates of Jericho, RVD and Booker I find myself apathetic. Those three guys have been shit as far as match quality goes for the past six months. Sure, Jericho occasionally shows flashes of his old brilliance on the mic, Booker is sporadically funny and RVD will pull off an insane spot every now again, but this does not a good show make. Raw has no undercard at all, Helms is stuck in the wrong environment and Regal has shown that he has no inclination to work with anyone to any extent. If HHH ripped his quad again tomorrow Raw would still be a shitty show. If that happened and new better writers came in, Raw would be merely mediocre. As far as I see it, the roster Raw has cannot produce consistent quality wrestling programs, no mtter who's pulling the strings. All hail Smackdown, and all pray for the inevitable Big Show depush into the midcard when Brock squashes him. Who knows, if Heyman has a brain he'll turn show into a comedy character again, which is the main thing he's good at.
Guest Brian Posted October 24, 2002 Report Posted October 24, 2002 The roster is only shitty as they make it. If it's a bunch of mid-carders with no chance of moving up, what is the point? They have Shelton Benjamin, Raven and D'Lo who could all be prominent mid-carders on HEAT, Helms is being punished, and what are the chances of Booker, Jericho, and RVD moving up. They already have a decent tag team division, but there's just nothing in the cards for mid-level guys. Besides that, Snow can pull off a decent character and everyone seems to love Nowinski, I don't see what makes it hard to pull off a good show with vet characters like Golddust and Regal around, Rhyno and Kanyon in the distance, and a bunch of new signees and guys that can be brought up.
Guest Kahran Ramsus Posted October 24, 2002 Report Posted October 24, 2002 RAW's roster is perfectly acceptable. They are just being used so horribly, and I can't help but blame HHH since the exact same thing was happening on Smackdown until he switched at Vengeance.
Guest Trivia247 Posted October 24, 2002 Report Posted October 24, 2002 heres the difference betwee 93-97 period and now.. so we can clear this up... 93-97 Had goofy gimmicks, Clowns, ressurections that didn't Monopolize the Wrestling and it was still about Wrestling.... And 2002 SMASHING Wrestlers in ambulences with Mach Trucks, Murder, Necrophilia and LAWLER amuck! and all this gets MORE segments than the fucking wrestling... So what have we learned?? We learned that background angles adn Gimmicks that seem goofy at the time, didn't Effect the wrestling, But Hijacking a Show Just for HHH to be one every other Segment Talking about screwing deadpeople and making a vid of him in a Kane mask Porking Stephanie in a Coffin DOES Effect the wrestling. Oh lest we forget HHH insistance in destroying every Singles title but the World title so only he can Shine... BLAH!
Guest The Hamburglar Posted October 24, 2002 Report Posted October 24, 2002 The roster is only shitty as they make it. If it's a bunch of mid-carders with no chance of moving up, what is the point? They have Shelton Benjamin, Raven and D'Lo who could all be prominent mid-carders on HEAT, Helms is being punished, and what are the chances of Booker, Jericho, and RVD moving up. They already have a decent tag team division, but there's just nothing in the cards for mid-level guys. Besides that, Snow can pull off a decent character and everyone seems to love Nowinski, I don't see what makes it hard to pull off a good show with vet characters like Golddust and Regal around, Rhyno and Kanyon in the distance, and a bunch of new signees and guys that can be brought up. Put like that its not so bad, but next to Smackdown's roster Raw's feels totally inadequate. I'm sure they can make some entertaining shows on a sportz entertainment level, but I don't see how they can hit the heights of Smackdown. Out of the guys you mentioned, which out of that lot has has a genuinely good match in the last six months? Although I really didn't like him when he left, it seems that Vince needs Austin back badly. If they ever get Rock back for more than two months then he'd be good for Raw too. I suppose Jericho going back to his mega-over face ways couldn't hurt either. But still, where are the good matches going to come from? As in really good matches, not just fun little diversions.
Guest cabbageboy Posted October 24, 2002 Report Posted October 24, 2002 I do agree Booker hasn't done anything noteworthy matchwise in a long time. But RVD and Jericho had a real nice match at KOTR, RVD and Eddie had some great matches, RVD and Benoit had a couple that were cool. Jericho's been stuck wrestling rookies like Cena or old men like Flair so he's had few opportunities. RVD's been doing fine though up until HHH tried to kill his heat. I'm not going to boycott Raw, if I watched in 1995 I will watch now. And yes 1993 was bad ass, there was some crap from time to time but the wrestling back then beats the hell out of anything now.
Guest TheArchiteck Posted October 24, 2002 Report Posted October 24, 2002 Not me, gotta find out what Kane does to HHH. But mainly watching it now cause of a new signee coming up.
Guest Brian Posted October 25, 2002 Report Posted October 25, 2002 I think they should put the title on Booker and turn Jericho face, and get Shawn and Triple H put together whenever they get the chance. They could put the title on Booker and build to the face-vs-face match with Jericho (or RVD) at Mania and have Triple H/HBK on the side. Maybe the Jericho turn shouldn't happen so fast and RVD is the better choice. Jericho's selling though has been top-notch and he's made alot of other guys look good. The best thing about Austin being back is he still has a job or two left in him. Big jobs, as it putting guy(s) over forever. The longer he's gone, the more valuable he really becomes, to a point.
Guest Luke Michael Posted October 25, 2002 Report Posted October 25, 2002 I haven't "offically" boycotted Raw but I haven't watched a show in at least 2 or 3 months where I actually watched the whole show through. I haven't bought a ppv since Wrestlemania though. My cousins have bought every ppv for the last 3 or 4 years but haven't bought the last 2 ppv.
Guest JMFabiano524 Posted October 25, 2002 Report Posted October 25, 2002 The heck with just Raw, I've seriously been thinking about just calling it a "career" as a fan after 16 years. I mean, the only thing that interests me about the WWE right now is anything involving the New Holy Trinity (Angle/Benoit, Guerreros, Edge/Rey). Other than that, not even Smackdown is that great. It's better than Raw, but what kind of accomplishment is that? Yes, I know I've toughed it out, even when wrestling was at its worse (1993 WCW anyone? 1996 WWF?) but for some reason not even mocking the crap is gratifying anymore. Not when it's so easy to get pissed off since it seems like the people I like will keep on getting a raw (no pun intended) deal, taking a backseat to stupid angles, untalented people, and people with political stroke (or any combination of the three). More and more it seems like I'd just be content to walk away with my pleasant childhood/teen/young adult memories. Other than that, to be honest it would take regular access to a better product to bring me back in 100%. J.
Guest The Hamburglar Posted October 25, 2002 Report Posted October 25, 2002 The heck with just Raw, I've seriously been thinking about just calling it a "career" as a fan after 16 years. I mean, the only thing that interests me about the WWE right now is anything involving the New Holy Trinity (Angle/Benoit, Guerreros, Edge/Rey). Other than that, not even Smackdown is that great. It's better than Raw, but what kind of accomplishment is that? That trinity you speak of consists of six wrestlers in really fantastic form. Although the writing in 2000 was better, I can't honestly remember a time when six workers of such a great calibre, three of whom are of the highest calibre, were working matches against each other on such a regular basis. In the WWF at least. And yes, there is a hell of a lot else on Smackdown to enjoy. Lesnar is becoming great and will be god-like once he actually wrestles someone good. Noble, Mattitude, Billy and Chuck randomly becoming half-decent wrestlers, Tajiri, the sportz entertainment skits actually sometimes being entertaining because they aren't the focus of the show...Smackdown rules.
Guest AndrewTS Posted October 25, 2002 Report Posted October 25, 2002 It worries me that people won't stop going on about Triple H being the main problem on Raw. Obviously that wacky Hunter and his hooooooolding down hurts things, but to concentrate on him takes attention off the two genuine core problems. The first being the unbelievably shitty writing of course, and the second, and most damaging one IMO, is the fact that the Raw roster is shit. Its full of shitty wrestlers and half-decent wrestlers who are being lazy and shitty. When people bemoan the fates of Jericho, RVD and Booker I find myself apathetic. Those three guys have been shit as far as match quality goes for the past six months. Sure, Jericho occasionally shows flashes of his old brilliance on the mic, Booker is sporadically funny and RVD will pull off an insane spot every now again, but this does not a good show make. Raw has no undercard at all, Helms is stuck in the wrong environment and Regal has shown that he has no inclination to work with anyone to any extent. If HHH ripped his quad again tomorrow Raw would still be a shitty show. If that happened and new better writers came in, Raw would be merely mediocre. As far as I see it, the roster Raw has cannot produce consistent quality wrestling programs, no mtter who's pulling the strings. All hail Smackdown, and all pray for the inevitable Big Show depush into the midcard when Brock squashes him. Who knows, if Heyman has a brain he'll turn show into a comedy character again, which is the main thing he's good at. We all complain about the shitty writing, but it's less noticable immediately when we're only getting a piece of an angle in one night, but we get HHH on 1/3 of the entire broadcast. And Booker/Jericho/RVD? They frankly don't give a shit anymore. Would you? They're more over than HHH, who can only get cheap heat by mock-posing or necrophilia, and KANE of all people gets pushed over them, despite doing nothing to deserve it other than being born with an overactive pituitary gland (see also Show, a more extreme case of that). HHH is also a symbol of a chronic WWE problem--pushing the wrong people. And despite the fact that people are sick of him, they think that means he must be pushed MORE! Shitty writing...centering on HHH...pushing all the wrong people...sportz entertainment to a ludicrous degree. It's a big fat shit puzzle, but taking away one isn't going to make the rest change. And if HHH tore his quad, you'd see new talent pushed...only to be prepped to be fed to HHH when he comes back. So no, HHH tearing his quad wouldn't be the panacea that saves Raw, but maybe with more injuries or a career-ending one, he'd finally be out of the picture, and we'd be one piece closer to fixing things. EDIT: And it is worth adding that the Raw roster is so unmotivated that JEFF HARDY VS. CHRIS NOWINSKI was considered this week's Raw MOTN?
Guest Cataclysm911 Posted October 25, 2002 Report Posted October 25, 2002 Well, unless you have a Nielsen box, boycotting the show won't make a difference to Vince. Try not buying the ppvs. That he will notice. Exactly, but some people can't get this through their head...
Guest The Hamburglar Posted October 25, 2002 Report Posted October 25, 2002 I'm sorry, but the whole "its because they don't give a shit" argument doesn't work for me. Becase the big mean HHH is holding them back they can't be arsed to have good matches, to entertain the fans who've come to see them. If the Raw wrestlers are as petty as that then fuck them. They deserve to get held back. You didn't see Benoit and Eddie cranking out shit when they were on Raw. Besides, I think the motivation factor only really affects Jericho. RVD and Booker's problems go way deeper in terms of their inability to put on quality matches on any sort of regular basis.
Guest Zero_Cool Posted October 25, 2002 Report Posted October 25, 2002 Heck no. I want to see how far down they can sink. It's perversely entertaining...kinda like Mystery Science Theater 3000. whoa whoa WHOA...are you actually comparing Raw to the bastion of Television Perfection, MST3K? BLASPHAMEY!!!! That avatar kicks ass in so many ways! The Puma-Man!! Anyway, I'm not going to boycott, I just keep...watching. Oh yeah, 1995 WWE stuff sucked the meat missile.
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted October 25, 2002 Report Posted October 25, 2002 Well, unless you have a Nielsen box, boycotting the show won't make a difference to Vince. Try not buying the ppvs. That he will notice. Exactly, but some people can't get this through their head... So because I "can't make a difference", I should just sit down and watch the crap like a drone, and probably like it too, right? I don't give a shit about Nielsens anymore.
Guest deadbeater Posted October 25, 2002 Report Posted October 25, 2002 If I boycott Raw, there would be a possibility that on the Raw I boycott, Molly will be in three matches, win all the titles in one night, and throw HHH and Jerry Lawler into the river. Heard of the expression "A watched pot never boils"?
Guest gangsteruwa Posted October 26, 2002 Report Posted October 26, 2002 I'm not calling what I am doing a boycott because that would imply that the WWE would care if I stopped watching their show. I don't buy the PPVs, I don't buy WWE merch, and I don't have a neilsen box. I don't make a difference in how much money they make or the ratings they get. The only reason I am not watching Raw anymore is I really like watching wrestling, and I don't want to see Vince McMahon making a mockery out of something I truly respect and admire. I hope Vince and whoever had the idea for this horrible storyline, dies a horrible death and then gets raped by a necrophiliac.
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