Guest Black Tiger Report post Posted October 29, 2002 Keiji Mutoh says he won't make any TC defenses until after Kawada comes back. Talk about being a dumb ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EL DANDY~! 0 Report post Posted October 29, 2002 Wow... and aren't rumors swirling about Goldberg supposedly being prepped to be winning the TC??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cynicalprofit Report post Posted October 29, 2002 Bad idea Muto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted October 29, 2002 Good... at least this way Bob Sapp wont be winning it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyChosyu Report post Posted October 29, 2002 It's not as if he has any choice in the matter. This is just an excuse to keep from having to defend it while injurred. Course, he shouldn't have the bealts to begin with, but that's life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Grenouille Report post Posted October 30, 2002 Eh, it's nothing new for the Crown to go a couple months without a defense. When Tenryu won it back in October 2000, his first defense was in March of '01. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cynicalprofit Report post Posted October 30, 2002 When you get injuried and cant preform, FORFIET THE DAMN TITLE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyChosyu Report post Posted October 30, 2002 Yes, that's obviously what he should do (and what Kawada did when he got injurred) but Mutoh seems to have an afinity for shiting on the Triple Crown, so now that he's defended it as many terrible matches as possible, he seems to be going the alternate route of never defending it it due to injury so that people won't have any reason to care whatsoever. Bravo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ace309 Report post Posted October 30, 2002 When you get injuried and cant preform, FORFEIT THE DAMN TITLE. This brings up a question for me. I have no idea what the unwritten rules are in Japan. You mentioned that Mutoh is "shitting on the Triple Crown" by not defending while injured. I know that in the States, forfeiting a title is generally looked upon as detrimental to the title's legacy. Is this a simple case of Mutoh choosing the greater of two evils? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted October 30, 2002 i dunno why, but just seeing the topic title on the main page made me laugh. He is, yeah. hehe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DragonflyKid Report post Posted October 30, 2002 Ace309 Posted on Oct 30 2002, 05:57 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QUOTE When you get injuried and cant preform, FORFEIT THE DAMN TITLE. This brings up a question for me. I have no idea what the unwritten rules are in Japan. You mentioned that Mutoh is "shitting on the Triple Crown" by not defending while injured. I know that in the States, forfeiting a title is generally looked upon as detrimental to the title's legacy. Is this a simple case of Mutoh choosing the greater of two evils? I'm no expert but I can look at it a few ways. If a champ is injured then it would be less honorabe for a challenger to defeat them and win the title from someone at less than 100%. Beating an injured opponent takes away from that victory thus takes away from that title. I can also see an injured champion continuing to fight while injured to battle valiantly despite his injury and show his/her fighting spirit. The healthy winner then issues a challenge to the injured loser to have a rematch when he/she has regained their health. Nobody looks bad in that situation and the belt doesn't lost prestige. Choosing not to defend the belt while injured while at the same time not be willing to forfeit the title comes off as greedy and cowardly. The wrestler and the belt come off looking worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyChosyu Report post Posted October 30, 2002 Forfeiting a title is detrimental to the wrestler, not the title. In America, there is very little prestige with any of the titles, so it's very rare that you would see someone show that much respect as to forfeit a belt at their own expense so as to not disrespect that belt and its lineage. If the belt changes hands because of an injury, it lower's the belt's credibility. That's why Kawada unified it in the past. My comment on Mutoh's wierd obsession with shitting on the TC had more to do with his previous run from '01-02, where he defended it in a host of horrendous matches and against some really undeserving challangers (Scott Hall, for example) capping it all off by dropping the title to Kawada in one of the most disgracefull matches I've ever seen. While this latest decision by Mutoh hurts the Triple Crown's credibility further, I doubt it could be any worse than his first run with it and it's certainly better than seeing Goldberg win the damn thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gansobomber Report post Posted October 31, 2002 Hey, Mutoh isn't called the HHH of Japan for nothing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Black Tiger Report post Posted October 31, 2002 I can understand the mentality of beating an injured champion making you look not as good as when he was 100%, but Mutoh got hurt BEFORE he won the title, if he's so hurt he can't defend it, then why didn't he let someone who was healthy take the match instead. RickyChosyu, the Japanese fans must look at matches different from the way we do, Mutoh vs. Kawada is one of the top two candidates for MOTY, the other being Misawa vs. Takayama from September of this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gansobomber Report post Posted October 31, 2002 Think of this as being similar to HHH b*tching on the internet. Since Keiji Mutoh has been such a "shrewd" businessman, (holding down the wrestlers until he came to power so it would look like he did it ALL ), etc, people feel free to blame him for anything. BTW I don't like HHH, but I don't hate him like the internet either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Pop Culture God Report post Posted October 31, 2002 I can understand the mentality of beating an injured champion making you look not as good as when he was 100%, but Mutoh got hurt BEFORE he won the title, if he's so hurt he can't defend it, then why didn't he let someone who was healthy take the match instead. RickyChosyu, the Japanese fans must look at matches different from the way we do, Mutoh vs. Kawada is one of the top two candidates for MOTY, the other being Misawa vs. Takayama from September of this year. Man, I didn't know Mutoh had degenerated so far. I mean I have a lot of tapes, but I don't follow it as closely as some of you do. The Great Muta was my favorite wrestler back in '89, and I'm really really distraught about this. I hope Lyger never does something like this or I'll renounce Puro forever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyChosyu Report post Posted November 1, 2002 RickyChosyu, the Japanese fans must look at matches different from the way we do, Mutoh vs. Kawada is one of the top two candidates for MOTY, the other being Misawa vs. Takayama from September of this year. Says who? They also voted Nagata/Fujita as MOTY in '01, too, and while that match totally smoked Kawada/Mutoh, it wasn't the MOTY in that year either, not by my count. Considering this has been one of the worst years for wrestling in recent memory, and considering that any "polls" done in Japan are going to be extremely biased towards NJPW and AJPW (which has seen a rise in popularity since Mutoh's jump), I'm not really inclinded to resind my dislike for Mutoh/Kawada because of any such vote. A terrible match is a terrible match. And would someone care to explain to me why this bares any resemblance to HHH "bitching at the internet?" I'm not even sure I want to hear the explanation behind that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gansobomber Report post Posted November 1, 2002 Tell me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the fact that an injured Mutoh/Muta defeating Tenryu make Tenryu look very weak? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyChosyu Report post Posted November 2, 2002 Tenryu on the outs with a AJPW = Tenryu doing plenty of jobs. Sure, it makes him look weak, but if you're Mutoh, the credibility of a guy who won't be around much longer doesn't mean very much when you can just put yourself over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
