Most Overated WWE worker

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

What does that even mean?

[Guest art_vandelay]

It means you are disillusioned on so many things that are really just your opinion, yet you continue to preach as fact. Case in point, arguing with you about things such as RVD or Brock's overness is like arguing to a wall, which is incapable of listening to reason and think rationally. Get it?

[Guest godthedog]

as scott keith said it years ago: "remember, you can't spell overrated without R-V-D."

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"It means you are disillusioned on so many things that are really just your opinion, yet you continue to preach as fact. Case in point, arguing with you about things such as RVD or Brock's overness is like arguing to a wall, which is incapable of listening to reason and think rationally. Get it? "

 

 

Um...

 

Ok.

 

Tell me the last time I argued about Brock's overness?

 

I'll give you a hint and say August.

 

Since then All I've said is that he's growing on me.

 

And I'm not the only one who can see that RVD is over...anyone with ears pretty much can.

[Guest Insanityman]

In my opinion... Edge. We all know about his crappy spear, and even though I'll watch the guy, he has room for improvement.

[Guest TheGame2705]

Eddie Guerrero: Sure he has the heel style down pat but his excellent interviews I'm not seeing. Maybe I always watched a different show.

 

Chris Jericho: Can be good and entertaining in short spurts. Not a long term guy that everyone said deserved a push so badly. I always found his humor to be pretty damn corny too.

 

Kurt Angle: He's good but he is the not the best thing since minute rice. Most of his moveset is lifted from people in the WWE now or others who were in it less than 5 years ago and are still around elsewhere.

 

Brock Lesnar:Sure he can plow through guys and he has all the spectacular moves but he's as entertaining as lacing old shoes and if he wasn't cute, he'd be even worse to watch.

[Guest BigPoppaKev]

I think Booker T is highly overated as is Regal. I think Tajiri is overrated because he is a middle of the pack Cruiser if you consider other people they could bring over from Japan.

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

Eddie Guerrero: Sure he has the heel style down pat but his excellent interviews I'm not seeing. Maybe I always watched a different show.

 

Chris Jericho: Can be good and entertaining in short spurts. Not a long term guy that everyone said deserved a push so badly. I always found his humor to be pretty damn corny too.

 

Kurt Angle: He's good but he is the not the best thing since minute rice. Most of his moveset is lifted from people in the WWE now or others who were in it less than 5 years ago and are still around elsewhere.

 

Brock Lesnar:Sure he can plow through guys and he has all the spectacular moves but he's as entertaining as lacing old shoes and if he wasn't cute, he'd be even worse to watch.

Im not going to explain about how your wrong with everything you just said.

 

 

But I will say this about everything you said.

 

 

 

You haven't been watching the same WWE programming most of us have been watching.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Overness isn't something you can really argue about, unless you are just being stubborn. Talent is something else completely.

 

RVD is over, but I still think he sucks. I used to be really against him getting a main event push, but now on RAW I'm not sure if there is anyone else. If RVD was on Smackdown, he shouldn't be anywhere near the main events with Benoit & Company hanging around.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I've never said anything other than that Rasmus...

 

so apparently you are a wall too.

[Guest Brian]

Eddy Guerrero's promos are on par with anything Rock's done, and yet he gets praised. Frankly his promo against Rock itself was so genius with him playing two different roles and building a lot of heat towards their confrontation, as well as speciafically explaining why Eddy was jealous of the Rock. His short skits have all been great.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Since then All I've said is that he's growing on me.

 

Well, it's nice to see the change.

 

And I'm not the only one who can see that RVD is over...anyone with ears pretty much can.

 

I never questioned his overness, I meant 'RVD' and 'Brock's overness' as two seperate things.

 

I think Tajiri is overrated because he is a middle of the pack Cruiser if you consider other people they could bring over from Japan.

 

So you're basically saying he's overrated because he's Japanese and therefore is to be graded on a different scale than American wrestlers? Fair enough.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

I've never said anything other than that Rasmus...

 

so apparently you are a wall too.

Wouldn't surprise me.

[Guest Army Eye]

The Rock.  He's great on the stick, jobs clean at a moment's notice, and not as bad in the ring as most smarks want him to be.

Laugh. Rock's an above average worker, I'm with you there, but any clean jobbing by Rock was EXTREMELY rare.

 

You mean the 0.9's ECW on TNN drew make up more than half of Raw's current 3.x's? Not everybody watched ECW, they didn't have to in order to enjoy wrestlers like RVD and Tajiri. Why didn't Mike Awesome or Justin Credible ever catch on?

 

Awesome and Credible were never given a chance (in WWF).

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Umm.......I'd have to to go with D-Lo, Raven, Justin Credible, and especially Tommy Dreamer. None of these guys are that great AT ALL.

[Guest El Satanico]

Well it's unfair to call Eddy overrated in the promo department when WWe gives him that fake ass accent that he has to use. Without that god awful accent Eddy is a good talker.

 

And to call any WWe "cruiser" overrated is also unfair as WWe barely even lets them have cruiser matches. The cruisers wrestle the same matches as the big guys, so they don't exactly get to demonstrate their talents. The only cruiser that they allow to do matches that resemble a cruiser match is Rey Misterio and he's the one that shouldn't be doing them.

 

Long before he was the most hated man in wrestling I found HHH to be extremely overrated when people were raving about him and his supposed "great" matches. He was and always will be a mediocre wrestler with boring interviews. The only reason he has ever had a decent match is because he use to work hard to coverup his average at best talent.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Regal: While some people cream their pants over this guy, I have yet to see him reach above a **1/2 match in the WWE (vs RVD at Mania 18). Very good on the mic, overrated to shit elsewhere.

 

Booker T: The Book is a slightly above average wrestler, but his in-ring stuff can get really sloppy at times. His match against Eddy right before Eddy jumped to SD really exposed his weaknesses in terms of pace and crispness of moves. Then again, it IS Eddy so I guess an argument for an unfair comparison can be made.

 

Angle: Outisde the WWE, we have no clue how well this guy could do yet he is still placed above Benoit and Eddy most of the time, which infuriates me to no end. Angle has wrestled one style in his whole career, he's just done a very good job of it, though his psychology and selling need a serious overhaul too.

[Guest Flyboy]

Chris Benoit.

 

Reasons to follow.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Oh god......I like how people jump all over the great workers as being overrated b/c everybody likes them. It's like the complex where you like a band but so does everyone else...so you tell everyone you hate them and attempt to find ways to discredit them to seem "different" and "cool" and "invidual". Hey you can still be an individual liking what others like.

[Guest gwf0704]

D-Lo- What is it about him thats so great again???

 

Funaki - Sorry but I just dont get it..

 

Storm - Pretty boring worker and then they team him with...

 

Regal - Equals boring tag team.

 

Others but these are the ones people rave about that I really dont see as anything to do handsprings about....

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Chris Benoit.

 

Reasons to follow.

Are there any reasons why you just can't say why now? I should think you, of all people, would have a handy list saved to copy and paste in situations like these.

[Guest Flyboy]

Actually, I was going to post my reasons tomorrow because I was so sleepy and was about to go to bed...

 

... Wait, that's still the plan.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Umm......the only reason I can think of for Benoit being overrated is "Everyone likes him" and his praise is earned and it is all correct. He is really that good. There's just some people who think "Wow....everyone likes him...so I have to HATE HIM!"

Because seriously....maybe I'm so blinded by my Benoit love.....I can't think of any reason why someone would dislike him in the ring.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

That's exactly it. Of course, the people in question will deny otherwise, but whatever. I can see through the facade.

[Guest Flyboy]

Because seriously....maybe I'm so blinded by my Benoit love.....I can't think of any reason why someone would dislike him in the ring.

I was going to bed, but...

 

You admitted to being blinded by 'Benoit love'. I love RVD, but I'm not blinded to see his faults.

 

As a wrestler, Benoit is.. incredible. Top notch. As an entertainer, however, Benoit... is boring. He doesn't bring that extra element to the ring that has me drawn to his matches.

 

Benoit isn't going to pull the WWE out of it's slump. You can be a great wrestler, put on great matches every single fucking night, but if the 80% of the fans aren't interested in what you are doing, then how are you helping the company?

 

Sure, maybe 20% (I don't think it's even THAT many smarks) can love a guy for his workrate and workload, but if he isn't going to bring in the bucks, and help a dying company (and, no I'm not saying Benoit should be the only one pulling the WWE out of it's slump, it's a team afford).. then, all you are doing is pleasing a small portion.

 

Give Benoit a personality and chrisma, and I will love the guy. Until til, he's nothing to me.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Chris Benoit is overrated in the sense that some goofs still go to the wall for matches of his that really aren't worth the trouble of turning the TV on (say, his matches with Rock and RVD this year, and you've pretty much covered it). He's still the best worker in the WWE, without a doubt, but anyone who thinks he's still at the peak of his career is both vain and dilusional.

[Guest Flyboy]

Am I saying that Benoit is not the best in the WWE, right now?

 

No.

 

Am I saying he's vastly overrated?

 

Yes.

 

(That was aimed at you Ricky, just using some elements of your post for this one.)

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Please don't bring up the worthless and faulty "Benoit doesn't draw the crowd in enough" arguement that can be disproven by watching any match with him in it. Subtlety and indifference are two different things, and Benoit has proven it enough times to show that he's on the good side of the coin. And considering that Benoit hasn't had a clearly defined face/heel role since returning, it's a wonder that he manages to connect with his audience at all.

 

Any other worker in Benoit's situation going into the Angle match, for example, would have fallen to "heel/heel confusion" and the match would have tanked as a result. Benoit took a poorly booked feud with a limited worker (speaking of overrated...) and produced a match so fundimentally sound and yet so different that it easilly smoked everything the WWE has done this year. If that's not a sign of a great (and well-rounded) worker, I don't know what is.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Benoit isn't going to pull the WWE out of it's slump.

Do you honestly think anyone here expects him to? Really?

 

he isn't going to bring in the bucks, and help a dying company

 

As opposed to people like Steiner being brought in with more expensive contracts for that sole purpose, and which has a 99.89% chance of failure? You have bigger fish to fry if you're going to go down that route.

 

Until til, he's nothing to me.

 

I wouldn't be constantly reading Benoit bashing from you whenever someone (namely APO) says anything that can be mistaken as remotely negative about RVD if that was true. That would be like HHH being nothing to bps and Lesnar being nothing to Anglesault. That just isn't true.

 

 

Chris Benoit is overrated in the sense that some goofs still go to the wall for matches of his that really aren't worth the trouble of turning the TV on

 

True. I'm set to tape over most of his stuff from RAW as it is just a waste compared to his SD stuff (especially any interactions with anyone with the last name Dudley). I wasn't a fan of his match with RVD at Summerslam, but then again that may have been ruined by people yammering about star ratings afterwards.

 

I love dragging rants out of people.

[Guest geniusMoment]

Why are some people saying Dreamers an over rated worker? I have never heard anyone on this board call Tommy a good worker. Maybe some people liked him as a brawler or just as a personal favorite who they wanted to see pushed, but not as a good worker.