Guest HVilleThugg Report post Posted November 7, 2002 Brimestone is right, I think...I think that we used IGN as a crutch to hold us up in our infancy, but then the crutch was removed and we were forced to walk on our own. But instead of walking, we just got another crutch...but that crutch is slowly being pulled from us too, so we need to learn to walk on our own. Now, the website...we need to get something up like yesterday, and Mark's text-based site is decent and will get the job done. So, our mission is to get that up by Sunday so we can give ourselves the best chance of survival. However, you're right about what a full-fledged e-fed site should do...and I think we have the talent to do that. However, it's a project that takes time...but I think between yours and my coding skills, and Mark's graphic skills, we can do an amazing site to represent us. So, I propose we make a team...a web team whose job it is to spear-head the design of a website that has all the features that you talked about and really give us a huge presence on the web. But this has to come AFTER we get the initial site up...Mark and I already talked about getting this V1.0 up, and then starting work on the next version. So let's stop talking about it and do it...I don't have a ton of time, but I should have more time come December and into the next year. I'm willing to take what little free time I have and put it to working with the 3 of you on building version 2 of the site. If we're going to do this though, we need to do it right and not just half assed say we're going to do it like I've said so many times in the past. We need to set a schedule and deadlines....spec the whole thing out so we know exactly what we're doing with it. So...you guys in? Mark? Brimey? About the server space...I don't think we need to go purchase server space, and here's why. If we do updating of the site through a web interface, we can use my server. It's ok if a few people update through a web interface...that's fine. I just can't have a bunch of people FTPing and telneting to my server...that's the security issue. But if we're using a web interface for updating (which I assume we would since we're going to design and build this right), then it's not a problem and since I already paid the 70 bucks for my domain, no sense in someone else doing that again when I've got plenty of room and can certainly handle the traffic. Anyway, let me know what you guys think about spearheading this web initiative with a web team (Brim, Mark, Me)...and maybe we should grab another person or so...make this go faster. We can be doing so much more...you're right. I emplore Stubby to be in contact with Dames and the Admin here and talk about ways to help us and to make this a good place for us to be...don't leave it to Thoth alone... Enough talking about shit...we're nearly dead here people and it's time to start making some power moves! Da "serious about this shit" H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tod deKindes Report post Posted November 7, 2002 Edit: Caught my mistake. I'm stupid. I'm Canadian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2002 Sure thing thugg. I just suggested a commercial server so i could do what i know. Which is coldfusion. Unless you happen to have coldfusion on your server and SQL. If not and you would like it, i can burn you a copy of both Coldfusion Enterprise 5 and SQL Server 7. Either that or let me run out and buy a book on whatever server program you have on their and i can still code it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HVilleThugg Report post Posted November 7, 2002 Well, the web server is Apache, and I'm also running MySQL along with Perl, PHP, Java, etc...I mean, I can easily get CF, but I don't think we'd need it for something like this. Not to mention, I don't really know CF...and PHP is easy as crap...i mean, if you wanna do it on a commercial site, that's fine by me...but someone's gotta foot that bill, and if it's gotta be me, then I'm all for using my server...if someone's will ing to pay for the other server, then fuck it...go with that one. Also, we're forgetting that Dames has offered us server space to host our site....so maybe we need to contact him about what he has on his server. Can you do that? Da "la, la, la" H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted November 8, 2002 Sure i can contact him. But judging by the forums he only has MySQL and PhP. I'll foot the bill for a commercial server, thats no problem at all. It would cost me about 20-30 a month. So thats no thing for my non schooling ass. Coldfusion may be harder, but it also is better in my opinon. It can handle a lot more than what i have ever seen PHP do, but that's just me. I don't know PHP but i can sure figure it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HVilleThugg Report post Posted November 8, 2002 You're right...CF has a bit more power in what it can do than PHP does...but you have to ask yourself this...will we really make use of the power and tricks of CF to make it worth it. I say "worth it" based upon the fact that it's probably easier for you to learn PHP than it is for me to learn CF. Then again, if you wanna do CF, that's fine, we can work around my lack of knowledge in that area, and I know tons of people in the flash/CF community I could ask for help... If you do pay for space, then we could have a better name than swf.theleafnode.org, which is what the name would be on my server, as I already own theleafnode.org (site pending). It's whatever you wanna try and do...let's just wait until we get the current site up and running and then go from there. We need to get a ton of input from Mark on this, and then we can roll. So... 1. Get current site up...start on my server, and switch to Dames's when we can for ease of updating for Mark. 2. Have a brainstorming session...I say sometime in the next 2 weeks about ideas for version 2 of the site with you, me, and Mark. 3. Begin devel of V2.0.... I think that's a good prelim plan...what you think? Da "time for bed now...gone all weekend almost" H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tyler McClelland Report post Posted November 8, 2002 ... Pointy-clicky? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kibagami Report post Posted November 8, 2002 I think if we're really serious about reviving the fed...we need to bring back the midgets fighting at McDonald's. S. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest crusen86 Report post Posted November 8, 2002 :| Well, if you guys want, I do think that myself and the other IGN related mods (Spike, Merc, Jayson, G - that's 5 mods) could push hard to get the IGNWF board unlocked on IGN. Since IGN made a few hundred utterly pointless outsider boards, I reckon we could do it. Those articles have bought in a whole zero newbies in, anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kibagami Report post Posted November 8, 2002 Hey, if that'll get us the midgets back, then by all means, dooooo it. S. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted November 8, 2002 Thugg, thats fine. Name a date and time and i will be there. As for Jayson G. Whatever the hell happened to him anyways? I can't imagine someone creating an E-Fed with this original of a concept and then dissapearing for this long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest crusen86 Report post Posted November 8, 2002 He's still around on IGN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Thoth Report post Posted November 8, 2002 Dames said he'd host us for free, if I'm not mistaken. I'm gonna repeat that in bold. Dames said he'd host us for free, if I'm not mistaken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Grand Slam Report post Posted November 8, 2002 I agree with Thoth... even if we co-locate, we need to take Dames up on the offer. I think it will be easy to update and frankly, swf.thesmartmarks.com is pretty sharp. And regardless of where we host, we could buy a domain name and have it pointed at any web address we want. Domain names are pretty cheap these days. I did a little checking a week or two ago and it looks like most of the good names are taken (swf.com, swfwrestling.com, swrestlingdfed.com). Thugg and Brimstone: I am in, just let me know what we need to do, but I'll warn you in advance that once you start speaking in tongues (PHP, CF, XYZ, UHF, MCS, IHOP, etc) I get lost real fast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HVilleThugg Report post Posted November 8, 2002 Sounds good to me...let's host the site with Dames...I guess Thoth and Mark will find out how to do that. However, for the second version of the site, Brim was simply mentioning that Dames doesn't have cold fusion installed, something he wants to use for version 2, which is why he wanted to buy space. We can talk about that later...let's just focus on getting version one up, and then move from there. I'll get back to you all on a date sometime in the coming week....cause this next few days is simply hell for me... Da "hates his life" H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tyler McClelland Report post Posted November 8, 2002 IHOP - International House of Pancakes, Mark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HVilleThugg Report post Posted November 8, 2002 Also, if we want to have the swf.smartmarks.com or whatever...but we want to use stuff that Dames's server doesn't provide, we can simply have the URL point to the server of our choice, so swf.smartmarks.com doesn't have to point to something on Dames's server...it can point elsewhere, and it's a rather simple change to make actually. Da "work sucks" H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tyler McClelland Report post Posted November 9, 2002 Ahhh... pointy... clicky?! YES! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Insane Clown Dan Report post Posted November 9, 2002 I can also help if you ever *want* me to (the emphasis on *want* is in response to Judge's post below). I have basic knowledge of HTML, PHP and MySQL... and soon, javascript, because I just got some game-making program that uses a modified version of it. And I'll be forced to learn =P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2002 Well, if your willing i say the more the merrier. Well..not exactly. Too many web designers spoil the code. Or something like that. But i am sure there is something you as well as everyone else can add to it. I'm sure we will need a handful in the future, but we haven't even decided what we are really going to do yet. Well..Me i know what i am doing. But that just covers the web presence part of it. You all probably don't want to hear my restructuring ideas. Oh, Mark: Just to let you know, Coldfusion is a server side program that runs on the web server. The basic power of cold fusion in leagues and situations like ours would be making everything Automated. Take for example the title histories. Right now you have to keep track of everything add it up, subtract, and what not. With Automation we can store all of that information in a databse instead of word. Every night at Midnight we could have the system run an autocheck that would update things like days added to title reigns, title changes, rankings, etc. Take out all the coding everyones Stats in HTML. We could change it to where the user inputs their own stats, and it automatically converts it to HTML and spits it out onto a Roster page. Then anytime someone has to make changes to their stats, they can do it themselves. Thats just the gist of it. Basically it makes less work on yourself, and all we would have to worry about is maybe changing graphics. It takes a little work to make it, but in the end we look a lot more professionial than 90% of the E-Feds out there, and we save the borring task of constantly updating things overselves. Kind of like what you are going through now. Oh.....this would also be a combined SWF with the SJL. Knock out two birds with one stone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AnnieEclectic Report post Posted November 9, 2002 Are we including the JL stats in with this? I only ask as I've started the long task of converting the rest of the Active WFers stats into HTML, I got three, working on the fourth, and I NEED THE CURRENT STATS OF YOUR CHARACTER IF YOU'RE ACTIVE!!! I went through this with everyone else so far, if you have new quirks (new tag partner, no longer having a tag partner, new stable, heel/face turn) update your stats on the boards, or update them and PM them to me. It will make things faster... ALSO: oops, already said it, but yeah, should I be doing the JL stats as well? -Annie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Grand Slam Report post Posted November 9, 2002 ::chuckle:: I was kidding a little. I know what all of that stuff (CF, PHP, etc.) does, I just have no idea how to use any of it. And I agree that it is the best solution. Hey 'Cast, thanks for the clarification on that one! I've been wondering about that for years!! Just kidding, but your post made me laugh. Are we doing the JL stats? I'd like to, but right now, I have my hands full with the WF stuff, so lets hold off on that for a little while. And consider this a huge public "THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!" for the several people who have thrown stats at me in the last few days. You guys rock!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
