Nevada says no to pot

[Guest cynicalprofit]

http://www.sltrib.com/11062002/nation_w/13868.htm

 

They said no to plan 9, or whatever it was called. Oh well, theres always next year.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

"It would be a mess," said Peaches Johnson of Las Vegas. "It's permission to get high."

Wait, this is the same Las Vegas that's the gambling capital of the world, not to mention legalized prostitution?

 

And they're worried about people smoking some weed?

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

Whatever. It's illegal and I don't smoke it. Big deal.

 

It will just keep getting on the ballot until it passes, or until some left-wing judge rules it legal...

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Its a million dollar industry that could be used to fund anything, your tax money is being spent to hold users in jail, and because prisons get over populated, and drug people are considered worse then murders, so the drug guys stay in jail and the killer gets out.

 

I'd say its an important issue.

[Guest Mad Dog]

It's best this way.

 

It creates too many complications if it's not nationally legal.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Legislation like this is going to pass eventually, it's just going to be a slow process.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"Legislation like this is going to pass eventually, it's just going to be a slow process."

 

And if it is I'd just shrug like I do now...

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Actually, Las Vegas doesn't legalize prostitution. An area to the north does, however.

 

I was actually kinda suprised about this, actually.

[Guest LooseCannon]

Its a million dollar industry that could be used to fund anything, your tax money is being spent to hold users in jail, and because prisons get over populated, and drug people are considered worse then murders, so the drug guys stay in jail and the killer gets out.

Cynical profit is right. From a policy standpoint, Marijuana should be legalized. The cost of continuing to prohibit it outweighs the benefit, fairly clearly.

 

It's best this way.

 

It creates too many complications if it's not nationally legal.

 

It does create compications, but I'm all for forcing the federal government to come into states and enforce their law over the wishes of the state government and it's people.

 

An interesting question is why the drug war is a federal issue in the first place. Traditionally, it would be one of the powers left to the states to regulate, and the states have the same policy considerations in terms of cost and benefits as the federal government, which makes one wonder why the federal government finds it necessary to preempt state law on the matter. The short answer, I suppose, is politics, particularly after Nixon's run for the presidency on a law and order platform. I'm not saying that Congress doesn't have the authority to preempt state law in this field, but I'd suggest it shouldn't, all things considered, including the states better ability to tailor the law more effectively. This is a good example, of why Congress, should often show restraint in the powers it chooses to exercise.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Just legalize the shit already, sheesh. Soon enough some state will have the balls to do it.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Cali alrady said yes to it legally for medical use, but thats not enough if you ask me, if you let booze and cigs be legal, do it with pot, its not as bad as either one of them. Must be 18-21 to purcahse, I'm up in the air about the age thing because yeah its something for adults, but 18 and in college means you'll probably be smoking, and I dont want my money being spent busted them but at the same time, are they really old enough to handle it though? Grown by governtment growers, so right thre theres jobs created, your botany(sp) degrees finally become useful. Sold at places licensed to sell them, open till 10pm at the latest. No minors allowed to work their, must pass piss test to work their because you wouldnt want a stoner working there, he'd probably steal product.(This would be the only time id be for drug testing). No one can buy more then 3 ounces at a time, so everyone can get a share, I mean, they could run out, because its not like pot can be made over a week like booze. They would sell rolling papers, pipes, etc, and maybe some countercolture mag. Next door, junk food store.

[Guest Some Guy]

I think it should be legalized and regualted exactly like alcohol. It's a good way to raise tax revenue that could lessen the burden on everyone else. I don't think we'd see too many more people walking around stoned than we do now, they just wouldn't be arrested and incarcerated for a victimless crime.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

I like how everyone just assumes that with pot legalized, the government will have an instant stranglehold on it.

 

Currently, pot is available to anyone who wants it, and is at least somewhat careful about it. Do you really think that just because it's now legal, that only the government is going to be supplying it?

 

Once legalized, all those local growers aren't going to just stop. They'll keep it up, and probably do a better job, since they don't have to be as secritive about it. And since people will be able to buy directly from the guy who's growing it, they'll only have to pay the cost of growing the weed itself, plus a profit for the grower.

 

They won't need to worry about taxes, multiple employees, upkeep on the stores, and shitloads of other things on the overhead (Is that the correct term? I think it is).

 

And why not stay with your current dealer? They're obviously doing a good enough job. Why bother with government owned stores?

 

I'm not against it being legalized, but I do think that it's silly to believe that upon legalization, it will all fall into the hands of the government. What are they gonna do, test everyone to make sure they're using government-issue pot?

[Guest EricMM]

Does the Mob still provide America with booze?

 

remove prohibition the blackmarket will practically disappear.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

That's different though - I'd imagine making booze is a LOT harder then growing weed, especially since so many people already have their gear set and ready to go.

 

And like I said, independent growers could probably undercut the government, and still make a profit for themselves. So why wouldn't they?

[Guest Mad Dog]

Making booze is relatively easy.

 

The thing is why is someone going to go to the effort to seek out a drug dealer if they can just go to the corner store and buy it.

 

The only reason that I would be for it is to destroy the black market.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

And why not stay with your current dealer? They're obviously doing a good enough job. Why bother with government owned stores?

 

The govt has g13, your local dealer doesnt. And with govt control the prodcut is bound to be better then swag.

[Guest DrTom]

Despite the fact that I'm not a drug user, I think all drugs should be legalized. It is the first reponsibility of the federal government to protect its citizens, but NOT from themselves. If someone wants to use a drug in the provacy of their own home, I have no problem with it. Along with this, though, I would also want very strict laws that lock you away for a long time if you fuck someone else up while you're on drugs.

 

The war on drugs is nothing but a money pit.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

I wouldn't think most potheads NEED to go find a dealer. Obviously, they already have one.

 

I also think that planting something and waiting for it to grow isn't that hard. And it's much less hard when God-knows how many people already HAVE those plants growing.

 

Yes, in time, the amount of people growing their own is probably gonna die down, but I highly doubt that it'll stop. And again, I'd be REALLY curious to see what kinda price tag the government would stick on it. You know they're going to tax it, plus they'll be needing money to set up these shops. I think that could set the price tag a little high for someone who's used to spending X dollars.

 

I can easily see people trading cost for quality.

 

All I'm saying is, people shouldn't make the assumption that should pot be legalized, all pot will instantly be totally in the hands of the government. There's still gonna be a literal ton of home-grown shit floating around out there, and it's gonna take a while for all that to fizzle out. And it's not going to fizzle out completely, depending on the kinds pf prices we're looking at here.

[Guest LooseCannon]

There are various ways distribution could be set up to minimize the black market. But it doesn't matter to me. The costs to society by continuing to criminalize marijuana are greater than the benefits, whether or not the government's income increases as a result of legalizing it. That is why, in my opinion, marijuana should be legalized, while the continued prohibition against other drugs can be justified. With other drugs, such as heroin, we all end up paying the costs that result from abuse, not just the person using it. That is what gives the government, from an economic perspective, not just the authority to criminalize it, but a good reason to do so. Society suffers very few, if any, costs resulting from marijuana use, but it's continued criminalization places enormous burdens on our criminal justice system. As far as I'm concerned, you can continue to go to your regular dealer if you want, and I'll let the IRS worry about collecting the taxes.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

It's going to be a while before a state votes to legalize pot. This was defeated 57-43 in Arizona and 61-39 in Nevada.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I wouldn't want to work in an establishment that sold coke or heroin or anything like that. Can you imagine how many of these places would get robbed? That's not a big issue or anything, though. Right after legalization, there would be a big spike in the number of users, but it would die down after the novelty wore off. Pot smokers are NOT the majority, no matter what anyone says, people would go back to having a beer or two at the bar, not smoking a joint or two. It's not something an overwhelming number of people are into, simple as that. Personally, I think the economic reasons alone are enough reason for legalization, whether you smoke or not.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

Agent brings up a good point. In places like Holland, where pot is legal, the percentage of people of people using pot is something like half that of the United States.

 

Lots of people smoke it now because it's illegal, and defying laws thrills some people. Take away the law, and you take away the novelty.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

No other drug other then pot should be legal or made, no sugar, no caffiene(sp) nothing, but thats my opinion.

 

As for pot vs other illegal drugs, none of them should be legal either, except maybe shrooms and peyote for holy rituals and due to them growing naturally, maybe they have a reason to be here, wheres as crack is made, so fuck that.

 

I mean no good has ever come from crack, yeah you could say coke and herion have helped make some great albums, but those few great albums arent worth the countless lives they have ruined for everyone else.

 

I think crack use/possession should be an executible(sp) offense, i know thats harsh, but I promise you crack use would go down. A lot. same with herion, if your caught using/dealing, goodbye, sorry no second chances there. If you're not smart enough to know how dangerous those drugs are and how crippling they are you dont deserve to breath my air, let alone live on this planet with me or anyone else. I know its harsh, but this would stop hard drug use. I mean, if they catch you with it, they put you through the system, and your found guilty, 2 days to find god and get done whatever you need to get done, and good ridance. I mean i feel bad and all for addicts, but some of them just give up and dont care and teyy will do whatever it takes to get more, including robbing you and your stuff.

[Guest El Satanico]

I agree that any illegal drug which is naturally grown should be legal while any illegal drug which is man made should always remain illegal.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

The fact of the matter is that for at least one generation, the nation will overly abuse it and it will be a MESS.

 

However, if it was legalized in the first place, we wouldn't have much problems. It's the whole legal alcohol at 12 theorem; if you grow up thinking it's no big deal, abuse will be at a minimum. However, if you suddenly legalize it, use will go through the roof for about a generation or so until people stop thinking it's a huge deal.

[Guest EricMM]

No other drug other then pot should be legal or made, no sugar, no caffiene(sp) nothing, but thats my opinion

 

Pot is way way worse for you than caffine, let alone sugars.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Furthermore, sugar isn't a drug. It's food.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Natural sugar is fine, man made, shoved into everything from candy bars to cereal is not. Sugar has an affect on the body and alters the brains chemical nature, I think. Doesnt that make it a drug?

 

Pot is not worse then sugar, pot puts you to sleep, sugar and caffiene keep you awake, thats bad, but thats more of an opinion then scientific fact.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Pot also has as many carcinogens as cigarettes. Last time I checked, Snickers bars didn't cause lung cancer.