your DVDVR 500 UPDATE!- the WWE and OVW guys

[Guest razazteca]

I can understand the arguement then I believe the same about Edge vs Eddy, especially the arm work.

 

but RVD should of been ranked higher

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Edge's selling of the arm in that match ruled it right up until the finish as opposed to RVD who sold shittily throughout the Benoit match. Anyways, its not just the selling that damaged the RVD-Benoit match, it was the complete lack of understanding on RVD's part on how and when to make engaging babyface comebacks. 488 is possibly a little low, as the Dreamer match was pretty groovy, but top 100 is crazed. Late 200s, early 300s I reckon.

 

On a different note, Dean, given the calibre of workers he's soon almost certain to work with and the rate of improvement he's shown thus far, how high do you predict that the almighty Brock will reach on your next list? Providing he stays fit of course.

[Guest nikowwf]

Looking at part of the list im sure it looks ok, but if you look at the whole list there will be so many JOE FLEAMARKET who is a total indy worker with no polish that they put above wwe guys because they are allowed to do 20 minute messes on indy shows.

 

just my 2 cents...

 

niko

[Guest razazteca]

226) Pinoy Boy - who is this wrestler that claims to be Filipino?

 

at least Samir of the Overboyz is not on the list

[Guest DEAN RASMUSSEN]

226) Pinoy Boy - who is this wrestler that claims to be Filipino?

Pinoy Boy is a West Coast Indie guy. I saw his match against B-Boy in ASW and was more impressed with Pinoy than the much touted B-Boy.

 

DEAN.

[Guest goodhelmet]

Looking at part of the list im sure it looks ok, but if you look at the whole list there will be so many JOE FLEAMARKET who is a total indy worker with no polish that they put above wwe guys because they are allowed to do 20 minute messes on indy shows.

 

just my 2 cents...

 

niko

unfortunately, while you may not appreciate the indy guys, many of the most average indy matches have surpassed some of the best work in wwe this year. i've said it before, if wwe doesn't provide the wrestling action we desire then there are plenty of other alternatives out there, including the indys, to get our wrestling fix. just because they're not riding in vince's corporate rent-a-car doesn't make them any less deserving of a spot. in fact, i would prefer to watch many of the indy guys (low-ki, am.dragon, styles, daniels, the briscoes, etc.) than the majority of the wwe playas.

[Guest Brian]

Daniels has more polish than most of the roster.

[Guest ISportsFan]

RVD vs Benoit at Summerslam is the match at question?  the matches vs Eddy were better, and the Tommy Dreamer match was good, plus RVD won 3 belts in this time period, right?  RVD pops the crowd every time.

 

Should of been in the top 100, his sloppiness was not that bad

 

yeah it is.

 

DEAN.

You rule Dean.

 

Jason

[Guest goodhelmet]

Daniels has more polish than most of the roster.

my point exactly, brian!!!! half of the indy guys surpass the wwe superstars in more ways than one. so calling an indy worker joe fleabag or joe indy shmoe is an injustice to those guys who just haven't been given a break by the fed.

[Guest Brian]

Yeah, that's true, but Daniels literally has more polish than everyone else. Great on the mic, plays to the crowd well, conveys heel and face manneurisms in the ring, great ring-work, and has shown the ability to play multiple gimmicks. There's no excuse why the WWE hasn't hired him; he was once the highest paid wrestler in ECW and he worked for WCW.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Daniels rules.

 

WWE doesn't hire him because he'd just languish in OVW like everyone else.

 

Plus...they won't offer him enough for him to cover what he makes working indys.

 

They offered Styles 500 dollars a week, and no matter how good Daniels is...they aren't going to give him much either.

[Guest goodhelmet]

when was daniels in ecw??? i must have missed that!

 

as for the fed hiring him. who cares???? i would rather daniels work japan and roh for the rest of his career putting on those 20 minute exhibitions than being the latest victim of a bautista squash.

[Guest Brian]

I would too. But it makes no sense that they haven't picked him up.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I can prove that post wrong in 4 words Brian:

 

Is he a hoss?

[Guest goodhelmet]

ok, that would hold weight (and was funny) if guys like spike, rey, noble, helms, etc. weren't employed. my guess is that they probably have made offers but were not enough for him to give up his japan and indy commitments.

[Guest Brian]

It still doesn't make sense. With some guys, you can make excuses. But Daniels is so tailor-made for the WWE; he can even easily dumb down his offense.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Well...this goes along with my "why they released Jerry Lynn when Albert was doing equally nothing" theory.

 

They just can't focus on more than 4 cruiserweights at a time.

[Guest goodhelmet]

hey, lets be honest here. right now, there are at least 6 cruisers getting active time oin the fed. maybe they aren't treated like we want them to be but they are staying active.

 

also brian, i think you may have misunderstood. i think it could have been a monetary issue... if they have ever made an offer at all.

 

or maybe, he just doesn't have what it takes to make it in the big leagues by gawd!

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Noble...Misterio...Kidman...

 

I'm lost already.

 

Does Crash Holly count?

[Guest goodhelmet]

matt (he's a cruiser), hurricane, tajiri and yes, crash counts

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Hurricane is not a focal point.

 

When he makes it on to RAW, he jobs to Test in under 2 minutes!

[Guest goodhelmet]

ok, my point was not that they were being used properly or that we agree with the booking as indicated by the "maybe they aren't treated like we want them to be but they are staying active" statement.

 

my point is that there is a place for the cruisers, even if it is velocity. with that said, getting back to daniels, i don't see how daniels would want to work the velocity circuit or half ass it when he would prolly make a decent living off the indys, sticking o the east coast or california, with the occasional japan tour. he might make less but after expenses and travel costs, he would prolly come out ahead since the fed would probably pay him somewhere between jack and shit.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I think a better idea is to get him back to TNA, so we can all watch him from the comfort of our own homes on wednesday night.

 

Well...JJ said he wanted him back anyway.

 

I miss Jimmy Yang when he goes to Japan.

 

Guess I kind of rambled there.

[Guest Brian]

Daniels has never been offered a contract despite working god-knows how many dark matches.

[Guest DEAN RASMUSSEN]

ok, my point was not that they were being used properly or that we agree with the booking as indicated by the "maybe they aren't treated like we want them to be but they are staying active" statement.

 

my point is that there is a place for the cruisers, even if it is velocity. with that said, getting back to daniels, i don't see how daniels would want to work the velocity circuit or half ass it when he would prolly make a decent living off the indys, sticking o the east coast or california, with the occasional japan tour. he might make less but after expenses and travel costs, he would prolly come out ahead since the fed would probably pay him somewhere between jack and shit.

Well if the formula of Benoit and Eddy being the meat of every push in the WWE keeps panning out as well as it does, less and less cruiserweights will be signed- as it will be just guys who can look credible against heavyweights and who can carry heavyweights will be who they are interested in. At this rate, they will sign Daniels soon just because he looks credible against guys who are 250 pounds. His problem is consistency sometimes but I'm assuming a few more tours of Japan will iron that out. American Dragon going the Benoit New Japan dojo route was a brilliant move too.

 

THE THING IS: If Nash had been booking the WWE from 2000 to now, Benoit, the Hardys, Chavo, Eddy and jericho would all be wrestling for the WWE Light Heavyweight title (or wrestling in the indies as the WWE collapsed onto itself), so you have to think that guys who would have been classified as junior heavyweights in Japan are being booked better than they would be booked in JAPAN- much less a major US promotion.

 

DEAN.

[Guest goodhelmet]

ok, i agree with you to a certain degree, dean. i saw daniels wrestle morgan who is supposedly 250 (according to ROH) although i have never seen him in person) and they had one hell of a match. but, does daniels continue his current path, or even go to nwa, or become buried underneath the quagmire of vince-land? i think vinnie-land is not in the cards.

 

as for the SD GODZ (of rock n' roll) actually panning out, is it really? i would like to think so but since SD increases its quality, the houses continue to dwindle? WAZZUPWITDAT? that's why i savior every great match from these guys because when vinnie eventually gives up on the split, cuts a shitload of the roster, the quality will be severely dilluted.

[Guest DEAN RASMUSSEN]

ok, i agree with you to a certain degree, dean. i saw daniels wrestle morgan who is supposedly 250 (according to ROH) although i have never seen him in person) and they had one hell of a match. but, does daniels continue his current path, or even go to nwa, or become buried underneath the quagmire of vince-land? i think vinnie-land is not in the cards.

 

as for the SD GODZ  (of rock n' roll) actually panning out, is it really? i would like to think so but since SD increases its quality, the houses continue to dwindle? WAZZUPWITDAT?  that's why i savior every great match from these guys because when vinnie eventually gives up on the split, cuts a shitload of the roster, the quality will be severely dilluted.

Morgan ain't 250 and he also ain't Test, so it would be hard to gauge by that match.

 

As for Smackdown and the house shows, the biz is down. Vince knows that. RAW is sucking in the ratings more than Smackdown, right? I'm assuming that Vince will chalk it up to the Cycles Of The Wrestling Biz and not blame it on the great matches on SD. I'm ASSUMING that Vince realized that he is getting the 2.5 rating of former WCW viewers (like myself) back who told US Big League Wrestling to go completely go fuck itself after Russo took over WCW back 1999. You keep the hardcore wrestling fans and you will ALWAYS have a wrestling company even when the business has spiraled to the bottom. I'm assuming that's why I want to watch Smackdown every week. Vince needs folks like me -n- you. You piss us off, you end up with WCW at the end.

 

DEAN.

[Guest razazteca]

reasons why Daniels will never be in WWE:

 

Vince-land has too many bald wrestlers

Angel Wings look to similiar to Predigree-uh

he is old

he has a fan following

Vince did not make him

[Guest The Hamburglar]

I was wondering about American Dragon, doesn't he have some sort of connection to Michaels? From what I've seen he seems to be an intelligent enough worker to be able to tone his style down and still have good matches. His offense is credible against bigger guys and the cattle mutilation is a hell of a finish. I suppose his "look" is against him, but I doubt that the WWE would have problems coming up with a credible look for him.

[Guest razazteca]

American Dragon did work for Michaels promotion and was trained at the Texas Wrestling Academy