So whats the big deal about RVD?

[Guest Rob Edwards]

OK so there are some schools of thought that say RVD could walk out of the elimination chamber with the gold (although I'm still backing the cripples) of course this begs the question, Can he carry the show? Now personally I've never understood what some people see in Rob as all I see is over flashiness, lack of psychology, transitions, decent offence and no idea how to work a good match without being carried, this in mind without any other great main event workers on Raw (unless Booker or Jericho get promoted too) how long before the fans tire of seeing the repetitve longer match performances of a guy who struggles to keep a match watchable for more than 7 minutes, I just can't see him carrying the show with his stoner promos either

 

Any views?

[Guest Brian]

They don't want him to. That's their point. Just like Jericho.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

All your points are correct. They are all valid and good reasons why RVD shouldn't hold a major title. He's still going to win on Sunday though, and there aren't many on Raw who are that much better.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Personally, I could see RVD carrying a show if they gave him the chance.

 

Hell, he carried ECW for the last few years of the company when he was the Television Champion there, so it wouldn't be TOO much harder for him to carry WWE Raw.

 

Hell, I think Raw is ECW with worse storylines and higher production values

[Guest goodhelmet]

i think rvd is the epitome of the saying "shut up and wrestle". don't let the fucker talk, just go in the ring and attempt to have good matches with slugs like Taker and kane and Trips.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

Yeah but he suited the ECW brand better and was working with guys handpicked to cover his deficencies (Heyman was good at that) he won't get that on Raw

[Guest Brian]

I always thought that statement starts and ends with one person.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

well, i've recently started to fucking HATE all the guy's matches, just a mess with him no selling and then hitting the frogsplash. But I guess he's over, etc...Course, if BOOKER wins that fucking match i'll go through the roof.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Rob Van Dam should never be above the Intercontinental level. Sucks for him that they got rid of the Intercontinental Heavyweight Title. He lacks promo skills. You have to be able to work a crowd using a microphone to be in the main event in the WWE. It's obvious that the Entertainment aspect is far superior to the wrestling aspect.

 

Rob Van Dam may have the worst pro-wrestling punches/forearms that I have ever seen. Everytime that he does them, I cringe. That should hold him back a little. His kicks never connect where they should so it always looks bad.. which takes away from him matches. His random backflips, spins, twirls, whatever got old three years ago.

 

Bottom line: Rob Van Dam needs people who don't need carried in the ring with him. If you look at the WWE RAW Main Event scene (Triple H) then you realize that RVD shouldn't be in the Main Event.

 

In ECW, Rob Van Dam got over for a lot of reasons that he doesn't have access to in the WWE. Vulgar language, less big name talent, Bill Alfonso helping him through his promo's, and garbage weapons making up about 80% of his spots.

 

So, what's the big deal with RVD? Simple: He's not Triple H. The Smarks need someone on RAW to cheer for. Can he carry RAW? No.

[Guest razazteca]

the thumbs to the head has hympotised the world and the fact that his style is so different.

 

RVD is the King of the Mutants, they even cheer for him during rest holds.

[Guest Ram]

I like RVD the same reason I liked the Faces of Fear, Kevin Sullivan, and Lex Luger.

 

With the exception of Sullivan, I thought they could all hold titles even if they weren't great workers. Big deal. Not EVERY smark cares about workrate as much as others do.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

RVD

 

PROS:

 

1. More over than anyone on the roster

2. Spot oriented offense is perfectly suited to the WWE crowds

3. Great character.

4. Natural Charisma

5. Devoted Hardcore following

6. Rarely Injured

7. Over despite being booked to hell

 

CONS:

 

1. Very Stiff

2. Spotfest matches turn some people *COUGHpurogeeksCOUGH* off

3. Doesn't sell consistantly

 

 

The pros outweigh the cons.

[Guest razazteca]

you forgot that RVD often accidently kicks opponets in the face causing minor bleeding but not as bad as the Island Boys

[Guest The Hamburglar]

It ain't just purogeeks, mate. I personally have gone right off RVD because he never makes me care about his character or his matches, which are not only spotfests, but formulaic spotfests. Do you mean most over person on the Raw roster? Because there are a fair few on Smackdown more over than him. And I don't see how he can be very stiff when his kicks hit air all the time.

[Guest Daddy X]

I'm sorry but it doesn't take a "puro geek" to think RVD's matches are horrible. I mean it's an insult to any wrestling fan out there when someone sees RVD wrestle. Is Wrestling Predetermined? Is it "fake" as the nonfans like to call it? Yes. But RVD takes it way too far. There's a big difference between a fun spot fest that you can watch and a guy that has to do a back handspring for no apparent reason just to do a shoulder thrust. His offense is ridiculous and just gives wrestling a bad name and the only thing WWE can say is that hes "unorthadox." Give me a break. I am a big Puro fan but unlike others i watch spot fests constantly and am entertained by them. In fact I love American Indy Wrestling and that's about 80% of it. But RVD is over the top in his spots and just makes wrestling look silly and unrealistic. He shows no promise of being World Title material.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

you forgot that RVD often accidently kicks opponets in the face causing minor bleeding but not as bad as the Island Boys

That was covered under "Very Stiff"

 

Vader paralyzed some guy and he got to be champ. So what if he busts people open hardway?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

It ain't just purogeeks, mate. I personally have gone right off RVD because he never makes me care about his character or his matches, which are not only spotfests, but formulaic spotfests. Do you mean most over person on the Raw roster? Because there are a fair few on Smackdown more over than him. And I don't see how he can be very stiff when his kicks hit air all the time.

Well, whether you like spotfests or not is irrelevent. The fact is the style RVD uses, like the X Division, is perfectly suited to the WWE. The WWE constantly serves up slow-moving bigmen. RVD is a welcome change.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I'm sorry but it doesn't take a "puro geek" to think RVD's matches are horrible. I mean it's an insult to any wrestling fan out there when someone sees RVD wrestle. Is Wrestling Predetermined? Is it "fake" as the nonfans like to call it? Yes. But RVD takes it way too far. There's a big difference between a fun spot fest that you can watch and a guy that has to do a back handspring for no apparent reason just to do a shoulder thrust. His offense is ridiculous and just gives wrestling a bad name and the only thing WWE can say is that hes "unorthadox." Give me a break. I am a big Puro fan but unlike others i watch spot fests constantly and am entertained by them. In fact I love American Indy Wrestling and that's about 80% of it. But RVD is over the top in his spots and just makes wrestling look silly and unrealistic. He shows no promise of being World Title material.

Dude, don't exaggerate or anything.

 

1. He does not give wrestling a bad name. If he did people would boo or be angered at his matches. Instead he gets constant pops hell the WWE should float him to both shows. Think of all the money they'd save on canned heat.

 

2. What's worse: RVD no-sells the villians offense and hits the five-star to win, or Austin no-sells the villains offense and hits the stunner to win?

 

Faces no-sell, get the hell over it.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

I am NOT a purofan, and I still hate RVD, but he fits the RAW brand pretty well. He's just going to have to be carried by his opponents more than most.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

The X Division is more overrated than RVD. Whether I like spotfests or not is not the point, its the fact that RVD cannot create a sympathetic character as a face, one who the fans can really root for to beat the evil heel. He loses - so what? Its not like he looks like he cares or not. His no-selling makes it nearly impossible to build heel heat on him. I have yet to see a lengthy RVD match in the WWE when the fans were involved the whole way through.

[Guest razazteca]

That was covered under "Very Stiff"

I call it sloppiness but its basically the same thing right

 

I like spotfest hence I like RVD

 

I have yet to see a lengthy RVD match in the WWE when the fans were involved the whole way through.

the last Hardcore match ever Tommy Dreamer vs RVD from Raw

[Guest Daddy X]

Spot Fests needs variety. Look at some of the classic Michinoku Pro 10 Man tags. Barely any depth but its great because the spots are so different and its stuff you've never seen before. Some of the ECW spot fests were fun for this reason. And look at some American Indy Promotions. Spot Fests can be good under 2 Conditions

 

1. They absolutly can not be sloppy. If spots are blown it takes away from a match that is based on spots. I mean if theres a match based around arm work and the guy getting his arm worked on starts no selling it then its considered bad. If you blow spots in a spot fest it makes it even worse.

 

2. You have to at least have some variety. RVD does the same spots week in and week out. Not only is it unrealistic that the crafty heels haven't figured out how to counter these moves that take 5 minutes to set up, its also predictable on the fans part and takes away from any suspense or enjoyment.

 

I like edge of your seat wrestling and RVD just can't deliver. There's no shame in being an RVD fan but he just doesn't appeal to me as he's sloppy and far too predictable. With a little bit of work I think RVD can be great. He's fast, He's agile, and He's in great shape. Add in a little depth to his matches and either work on spot/move execution or slow down all together, and you can have a very good worker.

[Guest Ram]

The X Division is more overrated than RVD. Whether I like spotfests or not is not the point, its the fact that RVD cannot create a sympathetic character as a face, one who the fans can really root for to beat the evil heel. He loses - so what? Its not like he looks like he cares or not. His no-selling makes it nearly impossible to build heel heat on him. I have yet to see a lengthy RVD match in the WWE when the fans were involved the whole way through.

Seems like you're trying to find whatever you can to argue against RVD.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

That was covered under "Very Stiff"

I call it sloppiness but its basically the same thing right

 

I like spotfest hence I like RVD

 

I have yet to see a lengthy RVD match in the WWE when the fans were involved the whole way through.

the last Hardcore match ever Tommy Dreamer vs RVD from Raw

Well, unlike Tajiri, RVD has NO qualms about getting stiffed in return. Plus, if it looks real, it isn't sloppy. See: Hansen, Stan

[Guest razazteca]

if the opponet is not expecting it then it is sloppy

[Guest Brian]

The horrible thing about RVD is he's either missing guys by a mile or stiffing them up. He doesn't have the control of say Regal or Benoit. His forearms and kicks look like shit most of the time.

 

RVD's offense is spotty, no doubt about it. I like watching RVD, he's fun to watch. But he's frustrating too. Psychology, storytelling, pacing, all go out the window. The few matches RVD has to carry the pace, are crap. Hew has however found a niche in the style, with a dumbed down offense, that's allowed him to hit his moves in a stronger fashion, but he's unable to really carry between moves because his striking.

 

X-Division seems okay, but it's not that strong.

 

As for Dreamer, he's totally underrated as a worker. Ask someone about his great indy work; I've seen two matches (one live) of Dreamer doing compelling, stiff, and innovative Puerto Rican style brawling with depth.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

The horrible thing about RVD is he's either missing guys by a mile or stiffing them up. He doesn't have the control of say Regal or Benoit. His forearms and kicks look like shit most of the time.

 

RVD's offense is spotty, no doubt about it. I like watching RVD, he's fun to watch. But he's frustrating too. Psychology, storytelling, pacing, all go out the window. The few matches RVD has to carry the pace, are crap. Hew has however found a niche in the style, with a dumbed down offense, that's allowed him to hit his moves in a stronger fashion, but he's unable to really carry between moves because his striking.

 

X-Division seems okay, but it's not that strong.

 

As for Dreamer, he's totally underrated as a worker. Ask someone about his great indy work; I've seen two matches (one live) of Dreamer doing compelling, stiff, and innovative Puerto Rican style brawling with depth.

At least RVD can MOVE unlike Reagl. And he has a better sense of timing and what moves pop the crowd. Oh and it's funny, I rarely see RVD "missing them by a mile". Hmmm. What's that smell?

[Guest Brian]

That timing sure showed up against Benoit didn't it?

 

You're not watching enough. RVD works softer than Lance "I hit with pillows" Storm. The only times I've seen RVD put something behind his kicks was Benoit and Eddie.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

That timing sure showed up against Benoit didn't it?

 

You're not watching enough. RVD works softer than Lance "I hit with pillows" Storm. The only times I've seen RVD put something behind his kicks was Benoit and Eddie.

Wow, he had one good match. Too bad everything he's done since then hasn't even hit ***. Oh and Storm is EXTREMELY overrated.(We're talking uncharted levels here.)

 

You know when fans were quiet during RVD/Benoit? When Benoit was on the offense. Every second RVD was in control they were into it. Every second Benoit was in control, they couldn't give a shit, or they were chanting "R-V-D". Guess what? That isn't RVD's fault.

[Guest Bad Barry Horowitz]

There is no reason RVD should win the title. HHH should hold it until one of these so-called talented wrestlers can show something. None of them have. Maybe if they put the time and effort that Paul does in the business, things would be different.