So whats the big deal about RVD?

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Better than Jericho now that they've killed him, and better than Booker for sure.

 

Unless Booker's main event run is going to be no actual matches, just promos with Goldust followed by the spinaroonie.

Booker T. & Chris Jericho shouldn't ever be main eventers either.

 

I thought that Booker T. winning over Scott Steiner in the dying days of WCW was very unbelievable. You can blame a lot of that on lack of build-up however. I just don't think that he is main event material. His moveset doesn't really allow for it. He needs new ring attire, and a credible constant finish.

 

Chris Jericho was the best in WCW's Cruiserweight division. Of course, he was writing his own material back in those days, so every time he was on T.V. you knew that it would be gold. I like Jericho, I just think that he should be feuding with Rob Van Dam & The Hurricane over the Intercontinental Heavyweight Title.

 

I just can't help but think back to Wrestlemania VI days. The Ultimate Warrior was incredibly over. Even though he wasn't the best worker or the best on the mic. He was a great I.C. champion because the fans cared. What happened when he went over Hogan for the top belt though? People stopped caring.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

THAT DOESN'T KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR SEATS.

 

Option 1: Have Booker T who hasn't gotten near a ** single match in as long as I can remember, and the matches aren't that heated.

 

Option 2: HAve RVD who has at least had a ** match in the last year and the matches always have the crowd into them.

[Guest goodhelmet]

ok here is the deal...

 

booker hasn't had a good match in a year. partly his fault (edge), partly not because he has been stuck in a tag team.

 

rvd hasn't had a good match in months (at least on ppv and the month or two before i stopped watching raw).

 

jericho has been absolutely beaten down in terms of credibility. he may never recover.

 

therefore, it is fairly obvious none of these guys should be carrying raw. the hurricane needs to be elevated... NOW!

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

You know...it just occured to me that RVD topped ** for the last two weeks on RAW.

 

Granted one of them was a tag match...but his partner was friggin Kane, so he may as well have been going it alone.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

Option 1: Have Booker T who hasn't gotten near a ** single match in as long as I can remember, and the matches aren't that heated.

 

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If Booker got to work matches that were more than 10 minutes long then maybe he'd rise above **. RVD has only been carried above ** in matches with Eddie Guerrero where Eddie has had time to build the match up properly

[Guest bob_barron]

Booker had a very good match on RAW a couple months ago with Storm.

 

This year the guy has had two PPV singles matches. A solid match against Edge and he was able to keep me entertained in a match involving Big Show.

 

I think Jericho can easily recover- they just have to build him back up again and make sure he never wrestles/feuds/is in a segment with or is basically involved with HHH ever again

[Guest goodhelmet]

but how depressing is it when the best you can say is... he had a ** match!!!! not just for rvd, but booker as well. and kane. and hhh. and almost anyone else on the raw roster.

 

at this rate, eddy, benoit, and angle all need raises because they are the godz of american wrestling and bring the funky stuff, all **** and shit!

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

You know...it just occured to me that RVD topped ** for the last two weeks on RAW.

Are you being serious now or just ripping the piss ?

[Guest bob_barron]

Option 1:  Have Booker T who hasn't gotten near a ** single match in as long as I can remember, and the matches aren't that heated.

 

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If Booker got to work matches that were more than 10 minutes long then maybe he'd rise above **. RVD has only been carried above ** in matches with Eddie Guerrero where Eddie has had time to build the match up properly

RVD had some good stuff with Brock Lesnar and a very entertaining match against X-Pac, even though it was too short.

[Guest goodhelmet]

Option 1:  Have Booker T who hasn't gotten near a ** single match in as long as I can remember, and the matches aren't that heated.

 

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If Booker got to work matches that were more than 10 minutes long then maybe he'd rise above **. RVD has only been carried above ** in matches with Eddie Guerrero where Eddie has had time to build the match up properly

RVD had some good stuff with Brock Lesnar and a very entertaining match against X-Pac, even though it was too short.

dude, you have got to be kidding!!!! those brock matches were abortions and i like both guys.

 

and the x-pac match was many, many months ago. in the last 4 months or so, he ahs done jack and shit. as has the enire raw roster.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Also, matches with Storm, Jericho, the Benoit Raw match (just to aviod the ppv discussion again) Christian last week, and even Taker on occasion have been good with RVD in them

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Have RVD; who has at least had a ** match in the last year and the matches always have the crowd into them.

Well, I can't argue that.. his Hardcore/Intercontinental Unification match on RAW w/ Tommy Dreamer was above two stars for sure..

 

I can't think of a Booker T. match that I have liked.. ever. I like his comedy promo's, but that's it. I don't like his in-ring style, and I don't like him as a serious character.

 

I agree about pushing The Hurricane, but he can only go so far. He's not going to be competing w/ Triple H for the RAW title. That's why the WWE NEEDS the Intercontinental Heavyweight Title. WWE needs it as much as half the roster on RAW needs it.

 

I think that the easiest solution to this problem is to simply end the split. RAW is terrible and the ratings are down. Triple H doesn't have any believable contenders to his title.. It could just solve a lot of problems. The only thing stopping this is, of course, Vince's ego. He doesn't want something else to "fail."

[Guest goodhelmet]

hey man, i was being facetious in reference to the hurricane.

 

 

as for using benoit as a barometer, just leave him out because he is a GOD!

[Guest bob_barron]

The KOTR match sucked ass but I enjoyed the matches they had the night after KOTR and at Vengeance even though they both had shitty endings.

 

I LOVED the Benoit matches and I didn't notice RVD not selling the shoulder like he was about to die- I'll have to rewatch them again.

 

His match with HHH was pretty good. It was the best non-Kliq match HHH has had in a while.

[Guest bob_barron]

Have RVD; who has at least had a ** match in the last year and the matches always have the crowd into them.

Well, I can't argue that.. his Hardcore/Intercontinental Unification match on RAW w/ Tommy Dreamer was above two stars for sure..

 

I can't think of a Booker T. match that I have liked.. ever. I like his comedy promo's, but that's it. I don't like his in-ring style, and I don't like him as a serious character.

 

I agree about pushing The Hurricane, but he can only go so far. He's not going to be competing w/ Triple H for the RAW title. That's why the WWE NEEDS the Intercontinental Heavyweight Title. WWE needs it as much as half the roster on RAW needs it.

 

I think that the easiest solution to this problem is to simply end the split. RAW is terrible and the ratings are down. Triple H doesn't have any believable contenders to his title.. It could just solve a lot of problems. The only thing stopping this is, of course, Vince's ego. He doesn't want something else to "fail."

I like the split- cause if you end it then all the SD! guys have to be combined with the RAW guys and ugh- Keep the split as is,

 

Vince should try to fix RAW first.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I never saw the second Brock match but am told that it was as good as anything else Brock did until his match with the Rock.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

hey man, i was being facetious in reference to the hurricane.

That's my fault then. Sarcasm isn't as easy to grasp when in text form. I still stick by my statement though. Wrestling wise, The Hurricane is better than half of the RAW roster.. he just has a silly gimmick.

 

Maybe ending the split is a bit drastic, as I may have jumped to that conclusion being the answer. I think that a few trades and a few returning superstars would do the trick.

 

RAW needs main eventers though. Who can Smackdown get rid of that wouldn't hurt Smackdown in the long run?

 

Scott Steiner HAS to go to RAW.

[Guest goodhelmet]

but really, we're comparing ** matches with * matches. i mean that is friggin depressing.

 

(once again, any match involving a raw star with the SD GODZ should not be considered).

 

i saw all of the brock-rvd matches and i wanted to like all of them but liked none of them. i saw brock-taker twice and wanted to hate it twice but ended up liking both matches.

 

bro, right now, everyone n raw is off their game due to the game. notice how before he jumped to raw, sd was must-miss tv and raw had the GODZ!!!

[Guest bob_barron]

Well on RAW Benoit and Eddy were feuding with Bubba Tuff bah gawd!

 

On SD! Benoit was making The Rock tap out to the crossface.

 

That should tell ya something right there

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

Plain & Simple, Raw just needs to get ride of Triple H & Shawn Michaels and it would be 10 times better.

 

Screw "Star Power." Smackdown's only major Star is Kurt Angle and their doing just fine.

[Guest goodhelmet]

yeah it tells me that when bubba was feuding withthe godz he was watchable. weh nrock is feuding with them, it rules the fucking earth. they make everything better... kinda like sugar!

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

On point about everything:

 

RVD is better in garbage matches than Booker T is.

 

All RAW has is garbage.

 

Draw your own conclusions.

[Guest Brian]

They need to elevate Dreamer.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I agree with that.

 

I was never a Dreamer fan (even as an ECW mutant-type)

 

but the guy makes me care about what he's doing.

 

And not many people on RAW do that.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Plain & Simple, Raw just needs to get rid of Triple H & Shawn Michaels and it would be 10 times better.

Then RAW has zero main-eventers though.. which in the long run would make the RAW World Title look second tier.. which it kindof already does, but you know what I mean.

 

RAW would be like Heat is now.

 

How can you get rid of Triple H? You can't fire him. You sure as fuck don't want him on Smackdown..

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

They need to book Jericho as they did Monday night all the time.

[Guest goodhelmet]

On point about everything:

 

RVD is better in garbage matches than Booker T is.

 

All RAW has is garbage.

 

Draw your own conclusions.

my conclusion is fuck raw, watch SD. it really is a simple plan!

[Guest Brian]

After he had his indy run he became a pretty world class brawler for a guy wrestling with his injury.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

I agree with that.

 

I was never a Dreamer fan (even as an ECW mutant-type)

 

but the guy makes me care about what he's doing.

 

And not many people on RAW do that.

That pretty much is exactly how I feel. I never thought that Dreamer was a big deal in ECW. His promo's were boring, but his matches never really were.. even though I dreaded watching them when they were announced.

 

Same in WWE. I hear of a Kendo Stick Match between Dreamer & Richards, and I groin.. Then I watched it, and liked it the best on the show.

 

I finally figured out what it was.

 

Emotion.

 

It sounds so cliche, but it's Dreamer's heart and love for the business. He puts all he has into every single match. That's all that you can ask from a worker.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

The best way to look at RAW is to see what actually does work for you.

 

Sadly...my list is:

 

Dreamer

Nowinski/Snow

Jericho/Christian

and whatever RVD is doing

 

 

That's the whole show for me.