About Finishers

[Guest godthedog]

are we talking about the same thing? cause i specifically remember the guy falling on the top of his head.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Well he might've. But I know he didn't go completely up like I saw in the Kawada/Misawa match. He was at more of a diagonal angle.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

I'm pretty sure Jeff Hardy was this nameless jobber. HHH picked him up off the ground and Jeff jumped it also, and ended up dangerously near Tiger Driver/Ganso Bomb territory.

 

Personally, I think big head bumps are good finishers. They look like they could really knock a guy out and get you a pin. Of course, the piledriver was the superkick of the 80's, but it's still a bad fuckin move.

[Guest Redhawk]

I don't get why some moves are finishers for some guys and just regular moves for others. Like why is The Rock's elbow drop any more lethal than Chris Benoit's? Or why is a kick to the back of the head from Booker T worse than one from any of the guys who do enziguris?

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I don't get why some moves are finishers for some guys and just regular moves for others. Like why is The Rock's elbow drop any more lethal than Chris Benoit's? Or why is a kick to the back of the head from Booker T worse than one from any of the guys who do enziguris?

It's the "Aura of Crowd Pop". That's what gives the Rock's Elbow, Booker T.'s Kicks, and Hogan's legdrop the power to finish off opponents, while people like Benoit and such don't have the same amount of success with moves like that.

[Guest Ravenbomb]

I'll have to disagree with the guy that said Raven's DDT is the best. Eddie's Tornado DDT outclasses it greatly

 

Yes, but it's not as easy to bust out the Evenflow, and the Evenflow is still bought as a legit finisher.

[Guest Breetai]

Well he might've. But I know he didn't go completely up like I saw in the Kawada/Misawa match. He was at more of a diagonal angle.

No.... I've go the video of it and the poor fucker is pretty much vertical with the top of his head touching the mat at the point of impact.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

I stand corrected then.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Well, my favorite finish of all time is 3D: The Dudley Death Drop. It appears as if those days are over though. I don't even want to think about Bubba & Spike doing it.

 

Single wrestler wise, I'm a Diamond Cutter mark. I used to watch Nitro & Thunder just to see if someone would get cut.

 

I like the Evenflow/Raven Effect DDT too. I mean, it's really just a normal DDT, but ever since the promo where Raven said he learned it from the Snake, who invented it, I just have to like it.

 

I'm a big fan of upper body submissions too. Tazmission/Cobra Clutch/Million Dollar Dream type moves.

The 3D is the best tag finisher ever in my opinion. I think the Rocket Launcher and Veg O Matic are close.

 

Worst Tag Finisher--the Bushwacker's battering ram. You use your tag partner as a battering ram, duh.

 

Some of the worst finishers in WWE now would be the Bubba Bomb--which I just can't buy since it's an full nelson ass first atomic drop--and I fail to see how it would hurt the opponent anymore than it would Bubba.

 

Acid Drop (Dudley Dog): so obviously requiring opponent's 100% cooperation, and has made big men in ECW look incredibly stupid and foolish. If they used it on hosses in WWE, I wouldn't mind one bit...

 

Stratusfaction: See Acid Drop.

 

Winnepeg Crab: aka the Elevated Crab of Minor Discomfort Unless You've Torn Your Quad aka the Walls of Jericho. Pussified to such a degree Jericho should have just came up with a new move.

 

Overdrive: Reverse Rocker Dropper that Randy Orton fucks up constantly.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

I hate the Overdrive/O-Zone, and the Roll of the Dice/whatever Test calls it (the Testicle Drop?). So flashy it's contrived, and it doesn't look like it hurts the guy taking it any more than the guy doing it.

 

The jobber who took the fucked up pedigree was named Marty Horner - twas not Jeff Hardy.

 

APO, I'm curious, when did UT tap out to the crossface?

[Guest AndrewTS]

I don't get why some moves are finishers for some guys and just regular moves for others. Like why is The Rock's elbow drop any more lethal than Chris Benoit's? Or why is a kick to the back of the head from Booker T worse than one from any of the guys who do enziguris?

It's the "Aura of Crowd Pop". That's what gives the Rock's Elbow, Booker T.'s Kicks, and Hogan's legdrop the power to finish off opponents, while people like Benoit and such don't have the same amount of success with moves like that.

Crowd energy is focused into the ropes, which is transferred into the wrestler's body upon hitting them, turning an ordinary move into a mighty finisher.

 

In addition, Rock and Hogan would sweeten them by focusing the power of their egos into the move. This explains why Booker's Axe Kick often fails to pin. It works kinda like chi in execution.

 

This has been wrestling psychics 101. Thank you.

[Guest AndrewTS]

I hate the Overdrive/O-Zone, and the Roll of the Dice/whatever Test calls it (the Testicle Drop?). So flashy it's contrived, and it doesn't look like it hurts the guy taking it any more than the guy doing it.

 

The jobber who took the fucked up pedigree was named Marty Horner - twas not Jeff Hardy.

 

APO, I'm curious, when did UT tap out to the crossface?

Roll of the TestDrive is fine with me, because it looks like you are twisting the neck--which can be deadly.

 

Overdrive sucks, though. I agree. If it takes an eternity to set up like that you may as well not bother.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Crowd energy is focused into the ropes, which is transferred into the wrestler's body upon hitting them, turning an ordinary move into a mighty finisher.

Which is also why the Ultimate Warrior shook the ropes all the time in his career...giving him that extra boost of power.

 

If he didn't...he'd have been what Jeff Hardy is right now, pretty much.

 

...THAT explains Jeff Hardy! He's emulating the Ultimate Warrior!

[ChrisMWaters 0]

...that also reminds me...Ultimate Warrior....I always thought he should have had a better finisher.

 

But that's just me.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Overdrive sucks, though. I agree. If it takes an eternity to set up like that you may as well not bother.

Let's not forget how Orton got injured in the first place - fucking the move up.

 

Overdrive sucks more than the TestDrive, IMO, as your point about the latter is a legit one.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

APO, I'm curious, when did UT tap out to the crossface?

The three-way main event on Smackdown to determine who was Brock's opponent for Unforgiven. UT was in both the Crossface and the Anklelock. Thinking about it now, I'm not so sure he did tap. I'd have to check my tape of the show again.

[Guest jester]

APO, I'm curious, when did UT tap out to the crossface?

The three-way main event on Smackdown to determine who was Brock's opponent for Unforgiven. UT was in both the Crossface and the Anklelock. Thinking about it now, I'm not so sure he did tap. I'd have to check my tape of the show again.

He didn't tap. That caused a few rumblings in Smarktown.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Figured as much. I got that match confused with his title match against Angle eariler when they did the "tapout/pinfall at the same time" bit.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

Stunner is the best IMO, as well as the 'anyone, anywhere, anytime' thing that Foley brought up in his book, i prefer it to the diamond cutter only because It was the better of the two moves to carry a company with. Just more dramatic. Though the Cutter was made interesting by page by the unpredictability factor, that whole vibe works better for upper midcarders IMO. (Though I've probably just been conditioned to think that actually, shit).

 

Worst are the people's elbow and the worm, though i have nothing against them as they get the crowd going to pin a guy with either is deplorable, especially in a world title situation.

 

One of the main things i like about SATURN is his range of credible finishers. The Elbow (which he does better than Michaels or Savage IMO), The Moss Covered Three-Handled Family Credenza, the brainbuster, the rings I an II (i think the first incarnation was better than most gave it credit for) and the DVD all work. I think that's all of em.

 

Powerbombs should be saved for finishers as well, I think. Mind you, with guys like Test opening the match with a northern lights powerbomb there's little hope of re-establishing them in North America.

 

And yes, the overdrive is worse than the TestDrive, because if done with enough speed by a guy like Daniels or nova the move can look as effective as a diamond cutter.

 

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[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

A good WWE finisher? I like Hurricane's flipping neckbreaker quite a bit.

It's just the Buff Blockbuster. And Helms doesn't use it as a finisher. Usually he uses the "Hurri-Chokeslam" as his finisher.

[Guest Dace59]

Ok First off, wrong moves:

 

F5 = Firemans carry to DDT (ala Clarke in WCW) just no ones bumps right for it and Brock is a little sloppy when hooking the head.

 

Last Rites/Spin Doctor/Roll The Dice/ Test Driver.

Invented by Chris Daniels, ripped off by Nova.

Inverted Facelock to inverted neckbreaker (making in an inverted swinging neckbreaker)

Set them up for an Inverted DDT (Reverse to most of you) and swing them over into a Diamond Cutter.

 

The HHH messed up Pedigree. From back in 95, it was Bo Dupp, throuhg HHH was going for a suplex, so he jumped, by go throuhg down, into a Kneeling Double Underhook piledriver (Kneelinh Money Maker) He was fine and did not have any major injuries. It was not a TD'91, that has the opp landing on their neck. It was not as some clips claim, HBK, and it did not break the guys neck, and it was a mistake, and never done like that before or since.

 

Finisher I like:

MD2, even if it was always bumped so softly.

Clothesline from Hell

Tornado DDT

Kidman's one off ones from Invasion (Inverted Pedigree, Facelock to inverted face slam and

Acid Bomb )

Texas Clover leaf (best with Tiger Driver Whip set up)

and Tiger Driver

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

I would love to see Shamrock back in the WWE just to show Kurt how do to the anklelock right. But that's me dreaming.

 

Booker T has always lacked a good finish. Harlem Hangover was about it. Now? Yeah, it's sad. I don't know what to suggest.

 

As for Cena and Orton, they need better finishes. Cena apparently used the Protobomb, even though I think he's done it all of once. Orton needs to ditch his and move on to something he can at least do without hurthing himself.

 

Makes me think of the moves that are still around but no one is using them. Why isn't anyone using, say, the TKO? Why not pick up some good finishes that have just been forgotten when the user left WWE?

[LooseCannon25 0]

I disagree on a few things......If you were in a streetfight with someone and did the rockbottom to them they could easily get the wind knocked out of them or injure their back. It's high impact. Also, the F5 if done in a fight can destroy anybody just like the rockbottom. And if you try to break the fall with your hands you can shatter your wrists. I think the most dangerous legitimate finishers are the ankle lock (but its better if you have the leg grapevined and are laying back cause there's no way to counter it. I also think Tazz's T-Bone Suplex or Tazzmission plex can break someones neck for real. Tajiri's kicks can knock you out 5 seconds into a fight

[Guest netslob]

i never got why people discredit Hogan's legdrop. i mean, i don't like the guy either, but think of it like this: Hogan's a 300lb. guy. if he drops his leg across your throat or upper-chest with all that weight, it' GONNA HURT, if not knock the wind out of you long enough for the 3-count. just saying, is all.

 

now, my personal favorites in the 'finisher' dept.:

 

the TKO (like Dante said, why the hell isn't anybody using this? hell, give

it to Booker T and call it the T-Set. or just call it the the T-ko)

 

Cradle DDT (Konan called it both 'Montezuma's Revenge' and the '187'; like a fisherman's buster without hooking the arm)

 

overhead press into Samoan Drop (last seen used by either Rosie or Jamal,

i forget which)

 

Fisherman's Buster

 

the F5 (say what you want, looks both cool and devastating to me)

 

Crossface Chickenwing (both Backlund's and Syxx(-Pac)'s versions ruled)

 

Total Elimination

 

the 3D

 

the spiked piledriver (LOVED the classic Blanchard/Anderson version)

 

the Problem Solver (Simon/Swinger's DDT/Flapjack combo (think 3D with a

DDT instead of a Diamond cutter. quite sweet)

 

Buggy Bang (Doring/ Roadkill's top rope Rocker Dropper/ Face first wheel-

barrow suplex combo)

 

Blue Light Special (Nova/ Blue Meanie's DDT/ Face first wheelbarrow suplex

combo)

 

the Violator 2.0 (NWA Wildside tag team Blackout's double spinebuster

powerbomb)

 

double Chokeslam (Kronik and UT/ Kane's finisher; like the F5, looks cool to me)

 

Double powerbomb (i believe D'lo/ Chaz did a version called the 'Shakedown')

[Guest AndrewTS]

now, my personal favorites in the 'finisher' dept.:

 

the TKO (like Dante said, why the hell isn't anybody using this? hell, give

               it to Booker T and call it the T-Set.  or just call it the the T-ko)

 

Cradle DDT (Konan called it both 'Montezuma's Revenge' and the '187'; like a fisherman's buster without hooking the arm)

TKO is good, although..."T-Set?" Ugh...that's almost as bad a name as the "Book End." Okay, I guess it would fit the gimmick but it would sound foolish.

 

"Montezuma's Revenge." Ugh...no comment.

 

Why do you have a picture of Joe Don Baker from "Final Justice" in your sig, though?

 

 

The last thing a sausage sees.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

TKO is good, although..."T-Set?" Ugh...that's almost as bad a name as the "Book End." Okay, I guess it would fit the gimmick but it would sound foolish.

What would you suggest the name be then?

[Guest Anglesault]

"By the Books"

 

Although I just can't hear JR screaming that all excitedly.

[Guest Ravenbomb]

booker could always use a T-bone suplex...or maybe a cruicifix powerbomb, because a cruicifix is in the shape of a †(T)

[Guest EricMM]

I liked the Spinebuster/Alabama Slam into a jackknife pin that Booker T did once or twice. It wouldn't work on Brock or Undertaker, but it looked graceful when he flipped over perfectly.

 

Honestly I think Women wrestlers and cruisers should be preffered to big men, because there are just so many moves that cannot be done to big men. How is Jericho supposed to put Mark Henry into the walls?

[Guest AndrewTS]

TKO is good, although..."T-Set?"  Ugh...that's almost as bad a name as the "Book End."  Okay, I guess it would fit the gimmick but it would sound foolish.

What would you suggest the name be then?

TKO--and considering who used it, it is relatively a well known move.