I shall call him Mini-HHH!

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

He's been put in the ring with ring generals like Eddy,Kurt and Benoit since april

That's from humongous2002's post.

 

 

He doesn't show fear? Talk about petty shit. I can't remember a single face in the past 10 years that's shown fear at any point in time. Hell, even friggin Angle did the same thing in the Austin feud last year.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Saying that Edge shows no fear is really nitpicking. Faces are brave guys who don't show fear. Heels are cowerdly and do the lowest of low things. All faces show no fear, not just Edge.

[Patty O'Green 0]

I can't explain why he makes Angle or his other opponents look like fools. But I can explain why he is booked so strongly. Not only is he home grown, not only is he young but overall he's more marketable than Benoit and even Eddy. He's a good looking kid, he's decent on the mic and he's a good enough wrestler. That's the kind of guy you want playing a major role in the company. Even if he is having his hand held in his matches he still manages to keep up with the guys he's facing. And yes, I know Angle is everything Edge is and more but you need more than one guy at the top of your company so Edge gets pushed.

 

And APO is right, faces in the WWE don't show fear.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Decent on the mic? Well I don't really agree with that. Actually Edge hasn't said much lately. They've been keeping him off the mic more than usual.

 

I'm not complaining about Edge showing no fear. My problem has always been that they make him look so strong, but never pull the trigger on it. Why should other wrestlers fall to him if he's not going anywhere?

[Guest CanadianChick]

I think they are set to pull the trigger. Rey and Edge are the top faces now that Brock is gone.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

That's more of a booking problem than a fault of Edge's, but I can understand that. Hell, I even hate it myself.

[Guest Paranoid]

Can you say OVER ANALYZING?

[Patty O'Green 0]

Decent on the mic? Well I don't really agree with that. Actually Edge hasn't said much lately. They've been keeping him off the mic more than usual.

 

I'm not complaining about Edge showing no fear. My problem has always been that they make him look so strong, but never pull the trigger on it. Why should other wrestlers fall to him if he's not going anywhere?

When I say decent, I don't mean giving earth shattering promos like The Rock . I just mean that he gets his point across in an efficent manner, he can pop the crowd sometimes and doesn't embarass himself or the company when he's on mic.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Can you say OVER ANALYZING?

AMEN!!!!!

[Guest godthedog]

I can't explain why he makes Angle or his other opponents look like fools.

okay, this bothers me. if you can't even define what you're talking about, then there's no way at all to figure out whether or not there's any grounds for your claim. if you can't even EXPLAIN what you believe, much less justify it, then it's time to call the belief into question.

 

[/socrates]

[Guest HoffmanHHH]

you could point at any number of guys. rvd's been in the crossface like 3 times and he never tapped. where's the bitching about him?

 

austin was in the crossface at least 4 times during his MOTYC with benoit. never tapped. where's the bitching about him?

 

rock's been in the crossface and the anklelock so many times i've lost count, and he's lost a match because of one of them exactly one time. in fact, do you remember back in february 2001 when he was in the crossface and the anklelock at the same time, during a raw tag match, and DIDN'T TAP? where's the bitching about him?

 

christ, when's the last time angle tapped to the crossface? or benoit to the anklelock?

Outside of the Rock example, all of those were one single hold. People don't tap to submissions all the time. As far as Rock goes, he's put over so many people it's silly, but at the same time he's made to be one of the most over stars and best wrestlers in the company, so every now and then, he can do some superhuman shit. THAT is why no one bitches about the Rock. Edge, while being built up as the new "next big thing," is still an upper midcard guy and doesn't really have the credibility in a lot of people's eyes to resist two signature submission holds applied simultaneously. I could see it if it had just been a brief thing, but it did go on for roughly ten seconds as people have mentioned...the coup de gras, though, was that the ref was signaling for Angle and Benoit to break the hold, and could have not allowed the submission. If this was a preplanned spot, that likely came up during the booking or when the wrestlers went over the outline of the match, and thus Edge really should have tapped. He got the pin on Benoit anyway -- why not make him look good in defeat?

[Patty O'Green 0]

I can't explain why he makes Angle or his other opponents look like fools.

okay, this bothers me. if you can't even define what you're talking about, then there's no way at all to figure out whether or not there's any grounds for your claim. if you can't even EXPLAIN what you believe, much less justify it, then it's time to call the belief into question.

 

[/socrates]

The point of my post was to show why Edge is booked so strongly. And I explained why. Because he's marketable. In one of his post TMD said that Edge made his opponents look like fools and I simply said that I had no idea why that happens. Being booked strongly and making people look like fools are two different things and I have no reason to explain or try to justify the latter.

[Guest creativename]

okay, this bothers me. if you can't even define what you're talking about, then there's no way at all to figure out whether or not there's any grounds for your claim. if you can't even EXPLAIN what you believe, much less justify it, then it's time to call the belief into question.

 

[/socrates]

Oh come on now, that's just silly. The sky appears to have a bluish tint. If you don't know why, it doesn't change anything.

 

The belief: Edge makes his opponents look bad.

The definition: Uh, same as the belief.

The reasoning: This is open to debate. There is just this general feeling that one gets when watching Edge matches, that his opponents have been made to look like complete tools. This is due to various reasons that a person may not be able to actually identify, but it's there.

 

My explanation: Edge either wins cleanly, or regains his heat, always; and he never jobs in promos, which is very important. If his team loses, it's usually his partner. If he taps, it's in the 2nd fall of a best of 3 match that no one will remember because it wasn't the deciding fall and his team won anyway.

 

I don't dislike Edge. I want to like the guy, it's just that he makes it so hard sometimes. His character is very annoying, and the way that he gets protected is pretty sickening. But he's no mini-HHH; more like a super Bubba Dudley. At least one can see the WWE's reasoning behind Edge, though.

 

Bubba Dudley is just inexplicable

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Bullshit CanadianChick that heels should be cowardly. Yes some heels but not all heels. There are some heels that should make the face piss there pants. Angle and Benoit come to mind. HHH seems to be the only strong heel at the moment. Which is another pisser.

And about the no fear thing. I mean the guy runs into the ring no matter what and fights everyone. I think one day that should get his ass kicked. He should run in on Los Guerrerro's/Benoit and Angle one day and get something broken. That would be awesome.

 

One of the things that angered me the most was when he and Rey came out and attacked Los Guerrerro's before there match with Angle and Benoit. After beating there asses they got into the ring and took out Angle and Benoit! Why!?

[Guest humongous2002]

I'm still trying to see where Angle became a  ring general since in all of his great matches, he's had his hand held by Austin, Benoit, and Rock. Don't get me wrong, the guy's a damn good wrestler, but in-ring general? Puhlease...

If you don't think carrying mediocre wrestlers like Edge and Kane into exciting matches doesn't make you into a ring general then you shouldn't call yourself a smark.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Bullshit CanadianChick that heels should be cowardly. Yes some heels but not all heels. There are some heels that should make the face piss there pants. Angle and Benoit come to mind. HHH seems to be the only strong heel at the moment. Which is another pisser.

2000-era Jericho blows this argument away. Where was all this bitching when HE did the exact same thing?

 

 

And about the no fear thing. I mean the guy runs into the ring no matter what and fights everyone. I think one day that should get his ass kicked. He should run in on Los Guerrerro's/Benoit and Angle one day and get something broken. That would be awesome.

Again, 2000-era Jericho. Hell, I can even throw in RVD and Rey Mysterio.

 

 

One of the things that angered me the most was when he and Rey came out and attacked Los Guerrerro's before there match with Angle and Benoit. After beating there asses they got into the ring and took out Angle and Benoit! Why!?

To establish parity between the two teams since they were wrestling. They did the same thing at Vengeance last year, too. And if you don't like it, blame the bookers, not the wrestlers doing what they are told.

 

 

The belief: Edge makes his opponents look bad.

The definition: Uh, same as the belief.

The reasoning: This is open to debate. There is just this general feeling that one gets when watching Edge matches, that his opponents have been made to look like complete tools. This is due to various reasons that a person may not be able to actually identify, but it's there.

I'm still trying to see how he made Eddy look bad in their feud.

 

 

My explanation: Edge either wins cleanly, or regains his heat, always; and he never jobs in promos, which is very important. If his team loses, it's usually his partner. If he taps, it's in the 2nd fall of a best of 3 match that no one will remember because it wasn't the deciding fall and his team won anyway.

I'd say he and Rey "jobbed" in that last promo with the Guerreros. Who was it that lost the tag finals at No Mercy again by tapping to the anklelock?

 

 

If you don't think carrying mediocre wrestlers like Edge and Kane into exciting matches doesn't make you into a ring general then you shouldn't call yourself a smark.

Being a good wrestler doesn't automatically make you a ring general. If he was, he wouldn't have stood around looking lost when he and Rey fucked up that spot in the tag title three-way last night before finally grasping what happened and improvising. Secondly, the Kane matches were mediocre. People just jizzed themselves to sleep because Kane actually tapped out for once. Oh, and the Angle matches were overrated, especially when compared to all the matches during the Eddy feud which blew anything Edge and ANgle did all to hell. Finally, I really don't give a damn about calling myself a "smark". Whether I am one or not means jack and shit to this.

[Guest humongous2002]

What ppv were you watching???????Angle handled the problem beautifully right after Rey fucked up the spot .

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Yeah, if you consider standing there a moment dumbfounded before catching on and improvising "handling it beautifully"...

 

[Guest humongous2002]

Lets say Angle was really lost when Rey fucked up, what you would've done in his case ?

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Point to my head, flash a shit-eating grin and say that "I knew he was gonna try that!". With what he was boasting about on the last Smackdown, it would have been a cute heel bit and given Rey enough time to recover.

[Guest Brian]

Angle still fails to do the little things in his matches and command full control.

[Guest subliminal_animal]

Umm......I never said he has backstage power. Pay attention. I said 2 years from now in a sarcastic remark.

I was saying that the WWE pushes him harder than those other guys because he's homegrown talent. And I was wondering why.

Oh he lost tonight did he? He was on the outside of the ring dealing with Chavo when the end went down. Plus his ass should've tapped when he was in the double submission by Angle/Benoit.

Honestly, dude, this was a weird and frankly pretty lame idea for a thread, coupled with a pretty awful joke for the title. I'm not the cool, and I know when something's a part of my world.

 

Umm.......once again you don't know the whole story. The ref was screaming no and flailing his arms around while they had him locked up. If he'd tapped it would not have counted. So he should've been tapping hardcore.

It might have confused the crowd, I dunno. Maybe he figured that he shouldn't bother tapping since the hold was illegal and it wouldn't count anyway? Tapping when you're in hold outside a match or something like this is really useless. If Kurt has Benoit in a Anklelock backstage, what does that mean? Nothing. Benoit's not really "tapping" since it's not a match, therefore Angle wouldn't have to release the hold. If wrestling were real, I wouldn't tap to some asshole anklelocking my ass backstage. You don't give him the fucking satisfaction, baby.

 

Another thing is that Edge shows no fear. He acts like nobody can take him and never backs down. It's annoying. Eddie,Benoit,Chavo, and Angle all back down at times. But the fucker never backs down. They should do an angle where that gets his ass kicked badly....sent to the hospital bad.

Would it make sense for him to act like a pussy when he finds out he has to face Chris Benoit? People wouldn't be cheering for him then. Someone who's heat is based so heavily on wins and kicking ass no matter how much his has been kicked is really going to be hurt by wetting his pants at the sight of Mr. Rabbit-Wolverine.

 

Umm.....he was in the hold longer than Austin was in the double submission by Jericho/Benoit and Austin tapped like a bitch. So Edge should've been tapping within 5 seconds.

Austin was a heel, dude.

 

Bullshit CanadianChick that heels should be cowardly. Yes some heels but not all heels. There are some heels that should make the face piss there pants.

Ummm...I think she talking about the majority of heels, at least the WWE-ized ones. Get it? "Ummmm"? How's it feel to be condescended?

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

"I'm not the cool, and I know when something's a part of my world.

 

Because being constructive sucks. "

 

WHAT?

 

I didn't make the joke. My friend did. He was the one who brought the mini-Hness to my attention in the first place.

And for the last time....I'M NOT SAYING EDGE IS DOING THIS. I'M SAYING HE'S GETTING BOOKED THIS WAY BECAUSE HE'S HOMEGROWN TALENT. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY HOMEGROWN TALENT GETS PUSHED SO HARD EVEN THOUGH THEY AREN'T AS GOOD AS OTHER TALENT.

[Guest subliminal_animal]

Whatever. You repeated it, which to me is actually even worse. Happy?

 

And calm down. Sheesh.

[Guest Brian]

Anyways, the reason they tape outside of the match is it's usually instinctive to tap, like a call to stop the hold.

[Guest Ravenbomb]

Edge as 3H? I can picture it now...

"Dork-uh!"

[Guest snowfan]

Edge as 3H? I can picture it now...

"Dork-uh!"

Sodas are coll-uh

[Guest subliminal_animal]

Anyways, the reason they tape outside of the match is it's usually instinctive to tap, like a call to stop the hold.

But they usually wait a little while before doing it outside the ring. If it was instinctive, wouldn't they be doin it immediately? And I'm sure all the screaming would have the same "OOOOWWW!!! GET HIM OFF ARN!!!" effect.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

"I'm not the cool, and I know when something's a part of my world.

 

Because being constructive sucks. "

 

WHAT?

 

I didn't make the joke. My friend did. He was the one who brought the mini-Hness to my attention in the first place.

And for the last time....I'M NOT SAYING EDGE IS DOING THIS. I'M SAYING HE'S GETTING BOOKED THIS WAY BECAUSE HE'S HOMEGROWN TALENT. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY HOMEGROWN TALENT GETS PUSHED SO HARD EVEN THOUGH THEY AREN'T AS GOOD AS OTHER TALENT.

Angle is home-grown talent.

Brock is home-grown talent.

Rock is home-grown talent.

 

IMO, only Eddie, Benoit, Chavo, Noble and Rey are on the same level as or better then those guys. I hear Shelton benjamin's supposed to be another really good home-grown talent also. An upside people forget with Edge is that he's shown to be well capable of excelling in a heel role as well as remaining popular in a face role. I'll be interested to see how his work changes once he has the inevitable Rock-style heel turn. The protecting home-grown talent argument doesn't really work here, as Edge was as chickenshit a heel as they come when E&C ruled the tag roost.

[Guest Brian]

And they struggle to get out of the hold first. Once they can't get out, the try to get as much attention as possible to show they want out.