I shall call him Mini-HHH!

[Guest Goodear]

I'm reminded of the biggest badass heel I can remember, Vader in WCW. Now, he was a killing machine in the kayfabe sense and was always maiming opponents every other week. Yet, his top opponents (Sting, Bulldog, Cactus, Flair) were never all "SWEET JESUS ITS VADER AGHHHHHH!" They made allowances that he was viscous and mean, and sold that. But the faces never just showed out and out fear of the guy. Maybe a jobber would, but they are jobbers.

[Guest subliminal_animal]

And they struggle to get out of the hold first. Once they can't get out, the try to get as much attention as possible to show they want out.

I still don't really buy it. Tapping the ground doesn't really do much to me. Everyone hears you screaming and of course you don't want to be in the hold. But not tapping helps you save a little face, maybe. But hey, to each his own and all of that.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Yes but tapping would've put Benoit and Angle over even more. Even Tazz said something "How can Edge not tap to this!?"

 

They do need a face that shows fear and is scared of somebody. I mean I am scared of things in real life......does that make me a heel?

[Guest subliminal_animal]

Yes but tapping would've put Benoit and Angle over even more. Even Tazz said something "How can Edge not tap to this!?"

 

They do need a face that shows fear and is scared of somebody. I mean I am scared of things in real life......does that make me a heel?

Scared of things. Wrestlers are people. Plus, this is the way the WWE is. Why are you trying to argue with me about something that has nothing to do with what I said?

 

And by the way, I'd say you are a heel. You give off that vibe. Me? I'm a Goldberg-esque superduperface.

[Guest Anglesault]

Holy Shit, It's like Anglesault land with all little AS clones!

 

And when Tazz starts with his "How can he not be..." or "How is he able to withstand..." You can tell he dissaproves. He did it to Henry when he no sold the leg work from Angle in August.

 

Yet, his top opponents (Sting, Bulldog, Cactus, Flair) were never all "SWEET JESUS ITS VADER AGHHHHHH!" They made allowances that he was viscous and mean, and sold that.

 

Edge doesn't even do that. He basically walks out there and says "I'm gonna beat you because you suck!" I don't remember him ever giving anyone credit, to tell you the truth.

[Guest creativename]

The belief: Edge makes his opponents look bad.

The definition: Uh, same as the belief.

The reasoning: This is open to debate. There is just this general feeling that one gets when watching Edge matches, that his opponents have been made to look like complete tools. This is due to various reasons that a person may not be able to actually identify, but it's there.

I'm still trying to see how he made Eddy look bad in their feud.

Eddy has looked good for the past month or so during the tag feud, but for the most part during their singles feud he looked like shite. How many times in a row did Edge pin Eddy?

 

Perpetually beating your opponent cleanly, coupled with the "you're a dork/you suck" style promos, makes the opponent look completely out-classed. I've seen very few wrestlers, face or heel, do this. Edge has done it to more than one opponent now. It's the rule for him, rather than the exception. HHH is one of the few that seems to do it all the time; this is why calling Edge the "mini-HHH" is very natural, even though I don't think it's appropriate.

 

And again, like others have said, I in no way blame Edge for this. There is no reason to believe he is actively involved in politics of any kind. He seems like a very nice guy, and he's talented; that's why I want to root for him. But the bookers make it very hard.

 

 

I'd also like to add that I HATE Rey's booking. Rey is kind of like the anti-Edge. They're booking him so incredibly horribly it's ridiculous. Even my 10-year old brother--who was the biggest Rey fan; he was completely obsessed with the guy--said he doesn't like Rey anymore because he's a coward. Rey not only taps out all the time, but he does it immediately. Plus, Rey is always jobbing in promos. Angle punked him out a lot, and he looked terrified of Lesnar. And Rey himself always seems to show respect to his heel opponents, something most faces (especially Edge) don't really do.

 

Can't these f*cking bookers make him look more credible, for f*ck's sake? Enough of this "giant-killer" nonsense, it's lame on so many levels. And yes he's small, so yet? Michaels/Austin/Jericho/Benoit/Angle/Hart aren't giants. And while he's significantly smaller than them, he's also just a midcarder.

 

And I do know that in the matches he looks like a threat. Once again, it's the writing/booking I'm complaining about, not the matches themselves.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

"And by the way, I'd say you are a heel. You give off that vibe"

 

Excellent.........

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

The belief: Edge makes his opponents look bad.

The definition: Uh, same as the belief.

The reasoning: This is open to debate. There is just this general feeling that one gets when watching Edge matches, that his opponents have been made to look like complete tools. This is due to various reasons that a person may not be able to actually identify, but it's there.

I'm still trying to see how he made Eddy look bad in their feud.

Eddy has looked good for the past month or so during the tag feud, but for the most part during their singles feud he looked like shite. How many times in a row did Edge pin Eddy?

 

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Actually, Eddy beat Edge two times in a row(Smackdown after SummerSlam and and cleanly at Unforgiven). And yeah, I do agree that the bookers are morons, but that's just par for the course these days.

[Guest Brian]

Eddy did a better job making himself look good in an Edge feud than Angle did.

 

I agree with the ey thing, no one really mentions how he was hurt from the Angle feud.

[Guest creativename]

I agree with the ey thing, no one really mentions how he was hurt from the Angle feud.

Angle played the Edge role in that feud. He punked out Rey by calling him a 12-year old, and by acting like Rey never once had a shot; the only time Rey went over was when it was booked like a total fluke; and then Angle "I'm better than you" attitude is only confirmed when he makes Rey tap out clean at the PPV.

 

It seems that right after feuding with him, Angle learned from well from the master Too bad Angle himself is made to look like a nitwit most of the time

 

In the WWE, almost everyone looks like fools much of the time...except for HHH, Undertaker, some other hosses, and, yes, Edge.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

I really don't get the connection between "Edge booked to look strong" and "Edge will hold everyone down in two years." Maybe if he starts playing his cards and making friends right away, but right now he's just another guy stuck in the floundering tag division with nothing to do.

 

So why is the rest of the arguement neccesary, again?

[Guest creativename]

I really don't get the connection between "Edge booked to look strong" and "Edge will hold everyone down in two years."

You're focusing on the wrong thing. I'm pretty sure that part was just a joke.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

It was a joke.

[Guest Caliban]

Yeah, if you consider standing there a moment dumbfounded before catching on and improvising "handling it beautifully"...

 

Ugh ugh ugh. Don't you think, just maybe, that the look on his face was one of concern rather than confusion? Rey was lucky not to break his neck.

[Guest TheyCallMeMark]

Why is Angle so much better than Edge, anyway?

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Because Angle can put on a vastly better match than Edge and can actually carry someone as opposed to needing ot be carried.

[Guest snowfan]

Because Angle can put on a vastly better match than Edge and can actually carry someone as opposed to needing ot be carried.

BRAVO!!!

 

Angle has the ability to get other people over even in defeat.

 

"Dr. Dork" lacks that because of his interview style and promo style.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Just wondering, can anyone tell me the last time Edge has said "dork"? Because everyone makes fun of him for it, but he hasn't said that in a long time.

[Guest snowfan]

Just wondering, can anyone tell me the last time Edge has said "dork"? Because everyone makes fun of him for it, but he hasn't said that in a long time.

It is a Tag~line.

 

edge is incapable of making an opponent credible. He is like a thin Mini-HHH/Goldberg. He says "I am gonna rip you apart" and then does it period while having a moveset that lacks serious credibility. When Kurt Angle beats you for example you have been beaten by a guy that was inarguably one of the top 5 wrestlers in the world, and as such are usually not that weakened by it even though WWE insists on making him a "dork".

 

Lesnar (arguably) has the same quality.

 

Edge looks thinner than some surfers I have seen and is a "high flying" indy worker who made it big. I respect him for that. A lot of the problem with edge winning isn't even his fault as I really think he has a BUCKET of potential but the writers seem unable to "give and take" with him and it usually looks like "take+take" and I am pretty sure he is not exerting the same backstage influence as "Trachea Man" to get that writing.

 

 

Edge beating show in anything other than a 25 minute 3 muta **** star match will make Lesnar and all the people Lesnar destroyed look weaker...

 

Just my opinion....

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

this thread is wandering off into retarded land.

 

Edge is matched with people better than him, then Edge goes over people better than him, and it pisses people off, simple as that.

[Guest snowfan]

this thread is wandering off into retarded land.

 

Edge is matched with people better than him, then Edge goes over people better than him, and it pisses people off, simple as that.

or you could put it that way too....

 

[Guest Brian]

Did everyone forget the Mysterio feud?

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I'm still trying to figure out when this became a "Edge/Angle, who's better?" debate when all I said was that Angle wasn't a ring general.

 

[Guest Goodear]

Yeah, yeah, everyone has troubles nowadays...

 

Edge doesn't always sell properly and has a bad moveset.

 

Angle doesn't always sell properly and doesn't use psychology when he should.

 

Benoit doesn't have great charisma and continues to move closer and closer to more brawling styles of matches with an odd German suplex here and there.

 

Rey Mysterio is sloppy and uses rather contrived sequences on offense.

 

Everyone has problems, I think people just focus on Edge's because he's a top face and actually wins more than loses.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

That's probably the most intelligent post in this thread...

[Guest Brian]

Yeah, yeah, everyone has troubles nowadays...

 

Edge doesn't always sell properly and has a bad moveset.

 

Angle doesn't always sell properly and doesn't use psychology when he should.

 

Benoit doesn't have great charisma and continues to move closer and closer to more brawling styles of matches with an odd German suplex here and there.

 

Rey Mysterio is sloppy and uses rather contrived sequences on offense.

 

Everyone has problems, I think people just focus on Edge's because he's a top face and actually wins more than loses.

And Eddy is left with the top spot again.

[Guest snowfan]

Yeah, yeah, everyone has troubles nowadays...

 

Edge doesn't always sell properly and has a bad moveset.

 

Angle doesn't always sell properly and doesn't use psychology when he should.

 

Benoit doesn't have great charisma and continues to move closer and closer to more brawling styles of matches with an odd German suplex here and there.

 

Rey Mysterio is sloppy and uses rather contrived sequences on offense.

 

Everyone has problems, I think people just focus on Edge's because he's a top face and actually wins more than loses.

And Eddy is left with the top spot again.

I disagree I think what was typed about Benoit can be said of Eddy with just a touch more moveset on display. He has Charisma to a point but he lacks something in the overall package and I can't peg what it is. Every worker has flaws, but it is all in the mix of flaws to merits that you find greatness.

[Guest Goodear]

Oh if you really wanted me to do Eddie, I could...

 

Eddie Guerrero - Ridiculous stereotypical gimmick, doesn't use psychology to set up his submission finisher, brawls too much with larger opponents.

 

This is really easy to do for just about anyone.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

I've grown disinterested with this topic......and I started it.

[Guest Brian]

I could argue against that since he's not really using the El Paso Lasso as a finisher, more as an "out" when he can't get the frog splash but has the opportunity since he's worn down his opponents so much. It's a different case from Angle who a long tim ago established that the ankle lock was a key submission and move in his arsenal and that he would finish opponents with it, like Hogan.

 

The gimmick sucks, but Eddy can run with it sometimes.

 

Benoit's an awesome brawler so I have no fault with that. I don't think he's deteriorated that badly, especially since he came back. when he was wrestling hurt though he was totally lagging in the style and doing exactly that.