Guest cabbageboy Report post Posted November 21, 2002 Oh trust me, if you think RVD stalls and plays to the crowd now you should see his stuff from 1999 or so. My god, his Hardcore Heaven match with Lynn was nearly killed by RVD's constant stalling during the first 10m of the match. I think he got lazy during this period of time, he was firmly locked in as TV champ and wasn't going anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted November 21, 2002 How does Booker deserve it more? For being less over and not having as good of matches for over the last year? In that case I guess Test deserves it the most. Well...I guess if you were an RVD mark...that explains why you feel like that. Let's do a little compare and contrast, shall we? Booker T has believable offense. His punches/strikes don't look utterly pathetic like RVD's do. He has solid wrestling moves, and works matches well, and with a great pace. Sure, Booker T needs a better finish, but since he can't do the Bookend anymore, I guess the axe-kick will have to work. His matches are also different. Every match he works seems new and different. Sure, he has his spots, but he actually looks like he's wrestling a different opponent every time out. Rob Van Dam on the other hand, has little-to-no offense. His strikes/punches are pathetic...almost Kane-like (actually...now that I think about it, Kane's punches/kicks are probably better). Most of his offense is him flipping/rolling/cartwheeling for no reason, then hitting a shitty punch/kick. Sure, his finish is spectacular...so he's got one move you want to see. RVD's matches are cookie cutter. They all involve RVD hitting all his spots, usually in the same order. If you've seen one (WWE) RVD match, you've pretty much seen them all. (I actually liked his ECW work.) As for matches in the last year, look at who each of them has had programs with. RVD has worked with Guerrero, Benoit, and Jericho. Booker T has had to work with Big Show, and worked Tag Matches most of the time. How is he gonna showcase his talents wrestling The Big Slow? RVD should have had many...many better performances. He had all the best talent to work with. Both men are over. To what extent, you can argue until your blue in the face. Every town they go to, it's gonna be different. So, which one is more deserving of a title shot? The man with the better in-ring work, if you ask me. Booker T is better in the ring. Booker T is better on the mic. Now, just so you don't think I'm anti-RVD...I'm not. I'm pro-wrestling. Booker T is a better wrestler, even though RVD was in the MOTY in my opinion (Benoit/RVD SummerSlam). As for the RVD/HBK match we're gonna get on Monday...there is a way they can screw this up. Have RVD control the match with offense. To be honest, neither of these guys is gonna bring the house down with their offense. If HBK was 10 years younger, maybe...but not anymore. Now, HBK has proven me wrong before...and I hope that he will. But, I think this is going to be 2 guys in there, selling sub-par offense from their opponent, and hitting a couple high-spots. I'd like to see HHH interfere, actually. Say what you want about HHH, but he does one thing extremely well. He makes the belt seem like it means something. Remember when The 2 Man Powertrip had the belts?? They made it seem like the belts were everything to them, and it made the belts seem more valuable. At least HHH show that he HAS to have the belt...at all costs. It makes the belt seem more valuable. Talk about the pot and the kettle... Sheesh. I havn't seen a credible move from Booker in a while. At the very least RVD has a kick-ass finisher, and a lot of moves that pop that are visually intruiging. Booker's matches: Weak leg-lariat, Back Body Drop Gets beat on for two minutes, Weak Axe Kick, Spineroonie (Note: The crowd is only active HERE) Another weak axe kick. Booker was carried to his best matches. RVD's a *much* better worker than he is. At least Van Dam is athletic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 21, 2002 Basically, All the REAL concern is this...Booker needs a Finisher...that is pretty much is the general consensus here...fuck him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted November 21, 2002 Basically, All the REAL concern is this...Booker needs a Finisher...that is pretty much is the general consensus here...fuck him. And he needs to get rid of the shitty kicks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BobBacklundRules Report post Posted November 21, 2002 Basically, All the REAL concern is this...Booker needs a Finisher...that is pretty much is the general consensus here...fuck him. And he needs to get rid of the shitty kicks. The kicks are fine as long as he doesn't treat them like finishers. And just for the record I HATE the spinaroonie, it's just a lame breakdancing move that has nothing to do with wrestling. I want to see Booker T with a more Jericho-like persona ripping on heels instead of being dependant on the spinaroonie shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted November 21, 2002 Well, he could always go to the RVD school of shitty kicking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted November 21, 2002 Well, he could always go to the RVD school of shitty kicking. RVD executes *much* better kicks than Booker. I mean, hate the guy all you want, but that just makes you sound stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted November 21, 2002 Personally, I'd take Booker's jumping sidekick to RVD's lame second rope whatever kick 8 days a week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cabbageboy Report post Posted November 21, 2002 "As for the RVD/HBK match we're gonna get on Monday...there is a way they can screw this up. Have RVD control the match with offense." Good god, where to start? First off, RVD is perhaps the most exciting offensive wrestler in WWE...it's mainly his selling that is iffy. I mean, I've always noticed that RVD matches tend to be more boring when his opponent controls the offense....mainly due to RVD not being the best seller in the world, and also because his offense is usually so much more exciting to see than his opponent's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted November 21, 2002 Personally, I'd take Booker's jumping sidekick to RVD's lame second rope whatever kick 8 days a week. Well, RVD does about a dozen different kicks, All of them look better than the Axekick and the Leg Lariat. All of them get better reaction, and he does all of them without looking totally out-of-breath. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted November 21, 2002 "As for the RVD/HBK match we're gonna get on Monday...there is a way they can screw this up. Have RVD control the match with offense." Good god, where to start? First off, RVD is perhaps the most exciting offensive wrestler in WWE...it's mainly his selling that is iffy. I mean, I've always noticed that RVD matches tend to be more boring when his opponent controls the offense....mainly due to RVD not being the best seller in the world, and also because his offense is usually so much more exciting to see than his opponent's. THANK GOD! Watch the Benoit match from SS. NO ONE in that building gives a shit about Benoit German Suplex #12,572. The crowd only picks up when RVD is on the attack. RVD's selling was weak because Benoit's offense was: German Suplex, Random Arm Move, Another G.S., Arm Move, etc. It was difficult to build a match when you're constantly holding your arm. Plus, the amount of people who actually cared if the arm was sold perfectly was miniscule compared to the people who were there to see RVD. Get over it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Hamburglar Report post Posted November 22, 2002 Good god, where to start? First off, RVD is perhaps the most exciting offensive wrestler in WWE. What, did Angle, Rey, Brock, Benoit, Eddie and Noble all get fired? RVD's offense is crap and his kicks are pathetic. Flips and flops do not a good offense make. And about the Benoit match...its funny that Benoit's Germans get a pretty good reaction anytime he wrestles someone who actually knows how to sell and play a role in the match. Crap, add Tajiri to the list of people with a better offense than RVD. How could I forget his kicks and wicked DDTs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted November 22, 2002 RVD's offense is offensive. His strikes are horrid and the rest is spotty. The fact that he couldn't build a competent offense and actually work towards his comebacks shouldn't take away from Benoit's one man performance. He left RVD opening alone to tease comebacks at least, and they didn't happen. The one-sideness was all RVD's fault, and it's the reason the match didn't get any heat. Watch it again. RVD is clueless to say the least. He didn't seel the arm at all. He blew the match. Get over that. Watch it again. To give RVD credit for even wrestling in that match is questionable... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheAnvil Report post Posted November 22, 2002 RVD's offense is offensive. His strikes are horrid and the rest is spotty. TESTIFY!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted November 22, 2002 RVD/Benoit kind of reminded me of a new-age Flair/Broomstick match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
