RVD VS HBK

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I saw the seeds planted for heel turns by Booker, RVD and HBK to be honest.

 

I don't like the fact that RVD's promo started off with "I used to watch you as a kid". That's a recipe for someone to turn.

 

I guess their going to give Booker a storyline where he's underappreciated. That's fine as an angle, as it will likely end with him winning the title at some point.

 

My advice: Turn Booker heel and have him vs. RVD for RVD's title at Armageddon.

 

Then you have Booker vs. RVD, Steiner vs. Jericho, and HBK and HHH can do their nonsense without the title involved.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Did any one start to sense a Racism angle last night? When Book named everyone...I thought he was gonna say "Leave the Black man out? I say no, SUCKA!"?

 

It's likely what WWE would do to get him a heel...

 

THEN they'd be copying NWA for real.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

That's true too.

 

And I somehow doubt they'll be able to get as good a promo situation as the Truth/Steamboat one that would have made Truth a huge star if the company had any main event workers.

 

They should stay away from the racist angle for sure. Let him complain about being unappreciated and then set him on a push to win the title down the road.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

I don't like the fact that RVD's promo started off with "I used to watch you as a kid". That's a recipe for someone to turn.

But that's RVD's thing. He somewhat disingenuously compliments people. It's funny that way, like when he told Trips that he could spit water with the best of them. The Booker turn I can see happening, but he hasn't been a face for all that long really, only since early May or so, and that was despite the nWo silliness. Some kind of animosity was very visible in the end of Raw though, as Michaels and RVD seemed to get very terse in body language after Michaels raised RVD's hand and RVD said something that was to the effect of "I'm winning this next week."

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Yeah, the end of the show was akward, but I figured that was just so they could get the photo op with the belt between them.

 

They tried their best to make the match seem special in just one show. If RVD loses his 6th attempt at the title though...it was pretty much worthless.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Who the fuck was saying Booker is more over than RVD? And where the fuck have they been since, oh, InVasion?! RVD got more over than most of the established roster at that one show with just a 5-Star Frog Splash and a Van Daminator.

 

Booker T hasn't had a match where you watched it and thought "this is definitely worth some talk" since the Best of 7 series (well, aside from the cage match with Nash at Fall Brawl '00, where Nash put Booker over CLEAN). Last RVD match worth talk? When was the last one-on-one match RVD had with somebody? Exactly.

 

And I think Rob proved people that say he can't talk wrong last night. That one promo he did has probably been one of the better promo's for WWE in 2002 (yeah, it's not saying much, since some people-uh have just been-uh talking too much-uh).

 

If Booker started a racism angle, think we could see NWA/WWE interfed stuff?

 

 

 

...hahahahahaha...I kill myself sometimes...

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

I was hoping that RVD would mention at some point how Michaels never faced him in the Chamber at any point, so he could never claim to be better. Anyways, I see it as about 75% certain that RVD wins the title, since you know Trips will do a run-in on Michaels and the potential for programs with RVD as champion is much higher, especially if any of the heel turns we've been talking about go down with RVD or Booker.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I put it at 50/50. Only because RVD has failed to win SOOOO many times, and they seem to have gone the extra mile in promoting the match.

 

HHH will interfere...I just don't know who he takes out yet.

 

They *SHOULD* hot shot it to Van Dam, since they already got their big ppv MSG moment with HBK winning the title, and they're not gonna get another one.

 

Plus...it would find a way to elavate someone without HHH having to do any work, which is the only way that's going down.

 

But it's probably more likely that HHH will hit Van Dam and say that he want's HBK all to himself.

 

People don't WANT to see HBK drop the title to HHH. Period. And not in the heel way either.

 

SO get the belt onto RVD and turn Booker heel.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Of course, my extra 25% comes from optimism, because I'll be there live to see it if he does win the title.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

This is just filler to cover for HHH's brief absence from the show.

 

RVD has zero chance of winning the belt on Monday.

[Guest Brian]

If Booker had gotten the same opportunities as RVD, he'd probably be just as over. People have no reason to cheer him. They don't think he's going to win, especially in higher calibre matches. RVD has precedence in people's minds, Booker doesn't.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I don't know.

 

They brought Booker in and main evented him at Invasion and Summerslam.

 

RVD was hardcore champion and blew everyone else out of the water.

 

The question isn't how over Booker could be if he lost 5 title matches...it's how over Van Dam could be if he'd won one.

[Guest Brian]

Booker was booked to look like shit, he was always losing, and he was made out to be a coward for the entire heel run. Did they ever really even turn him face?

 

RVD was hardcore champ, but he had a long fighting reign, lots of attention, was moved up into a big feud, and got to pin a lot of names.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

The fact remains that RVD got over 2 seconds into the Invasion match, when he was supposed to be a heel. And it was at a level that Booker hasn't reached yet (and RVD isn't at that level of over anymore either).

 

RVD has a natural reaction from the crowd which is something that they should have taken advantage of, because so few people have that.

[Guest humongous2002]

Just 2 things:

1)Booker is not more over than RVD, now SUCKA and the spinaroonie might be over as Rob but that's it.

2)I'm hoping that Rob wins the fake title but my instincts tell me that HBK wont do the right thing for this business.

[Guest bcu1979]

But if Booker turns heel, then how can he and Goldust win the tag team titles next week and start an enthralling feud with Lance Storm and William Regal.

 

Triple H did not lobby hard for Shawn Michaels to win the belt so he could drop it a week later to RVD. Triple H will get his belt back come Armageddon.

 

I also disagree that RVD's promo was an improvement. If anything, he's been regressing in recent months. He did a really good promo mocking Goldust right before their match at No Way Out. And since then, it's been back to those wierd pauses and those uncomfortable moments when a babyface tries to do comedy and no one laughs.

[Guest notJames]

Booker turns heel in this match.

 

They planted the seeds on Raw, kids, and you'd better believe that in the current WWE world they'll pull the trigger.

 

Besides, Booker has a lot to be angry at Rob over.  The Alliance, Rob's beating him last night on Raw.  Yes, I am sensing Booker T turning heel and beginning a program with RVD.

 

Just me though.

 

- Mike.

Thank you.

 

I thought I was the only one that saw that.*

 

And even if it's not a full-blown heel turn, it more than likely will lead to a match at Armageddon against RVD.

 

Because you know, HHHe-Man doesn't want anyone in his way when he gets his job back from HBK at the PPV. Wouldn't want to "taint" his victory, eh?

 

Anyone dreaming of a 3-way at the PPV should just keep dreaming. Ain't gonna happen.

 

*Note to self: learn to read previous posts more carefully. Then, insert foot in mouth. D'oh!

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I think he's trying too hard to "act" when he cuts promos.

 

Like I said, the best one I saw him give was at Barely Legal right after his match. He wasn't thinking about acting then, he was just talking.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Booker T hasn't had a match where you watched it and thought "this is definitely worth some talk" since the Best of 7 series (well, aside from the cage match with Nash at Fall Brawl '00, where Nash put Booker over CLEAN). Last RVD match worth talk? When was the last one-on-one match RVD had with somebody? Exactly.

You're kidding right? His last singles match with Christian was just awful. In fact, other than his two matches with Benoit, he hasn't had a even a decent match since the Guerrero feud in May and even then, those matches were pretty overrated.

 

I'm not even trying to fuel the RVD/Booker fire and honestly, I'm pretty much close to skipping RAW as it is since the the Bible-Thumping Kid predictably won the Fake Gold Belt and went over every challenger on the show.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I thought Christian vs. RVD was a better than average RAW match.

 

The average is generally a DUD, so...yeah.

[Guest MixxMaster]

WWE.com: What’s the prognosis in terms of when you can back in the ring and wrestle?

 

Triple H: They told me not to wrestle for at least 10 days. It’s mostly just until the swelling goes down. Once the swelling goes down, I have to see. They’ll take more pictures inside to make sure there wasn’t any damage. But as of right now, they think it’s not structural damage, it’s just swollen tissue. And unfortunately, when your throat swells, you can’t breathe.

 

I seriously think that Vince won't let HHH be on our TV's for awhile. He's evereposed, injured, and burnt out. I saw let him sit out until after Armageddon.

I sense that IF RVD wins, it will be a set-up for a return match at Armageddon with HBK.

Of course, it's totally plausible that a heel Booker T(he is NOT as over as RVD. The crowd isn't as into him as RVD, they only really pop for "Suckaah!" and the fuckin' Spinaroonie), or Jericho will interfere, causing a DQ....

[Guest Angle-plex]

Like I said, the best one I saw him give was at Barely Legal right after his match. He wasn't thinking about acting then, he was just talking.

 

The promo he gave after the Taz/Sabu match was pretty good too.

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

Unfortunately, the cynical smark in me thinks that regardless of who wins, they're losing it back to HHH at Armageddon.

 

Dames

HBK wins due to HHH interference. Reason: HHH wants the title back from Michaels, not to beat RVD again. HHH HAS to get this job back, and we all know it. HHH goes over HBK at Armageddon, and everyone cries and waits for the Steiner/Crips showdown at Wrestlemania.

[Guest midnight_burn]

RVD vs HBK could be pretty good, i'd like to see this match get a good amount of time and have RVD get the win, but until i see it happen i'll still think were going to see a Hunter run in to keep the belt on Shawn, then Triple H will win the fake belt back at Armageddon, and hold it until he's finally beaten by Big Daddy Cool somewhere down the line.

[Guest Ram]

Austin v. Flair

Rock v. Hogan

RVD v. Michaels

 

After this, what else is left? I guess they could always call up Savage, Sting, and Luger.

 

I mean, can you smell Savage v. Edge, Sting v. John Cena, and Luger v. HHH?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I wish Bret could still go.

 

I'd pay for Bret vs. Angle

[Guest Ram]

Man. I really hate Goldberg.

[Guest BobBacklundRules]

I don't think there'll be a HHH/HBK title match anytime soon, with HBK being a "saved christian" and finally getting his revenge on HHH in the elimination chamber, I don't think he'd drop the title to a heel.

 

RVD wins on monday and HHH comes back the next week to challenge RVD at armageddon because Trips thinks he's the only superstar on the raw roster that knows how to be a "main event wrestler".

 

You never know, WWE might finally be giving us what we want, with Rey now in the cruiserweight division, edge a main-eventer, and a steiner Y2J fued. They might actually give RVD the belt.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"Rey now in the cruiserweight division, edge a main-eventer, and a steiner Y2J fued. They might actually give RVD the belt"

 

Well...I guess 1 out of 4 ain't bad then.

[Guest cabbageboy]

For whatever reason I just can't see it being HHH/Shawn at Armageddon. I mean, it doesn't make any sense. Why would you do that match again on a nothing show like Armageddon, especially with HHH being injured with the throat thing?

 

Also, having ANYONE job out to Shawn is a retarded idea at this point. I mean, it's like with Warrior in WCW.....why would you job out your talent to what amounts to an office temp?

 

I almost think Vince could use HHH's throat thing to do a subtle screwjob on him. Transition the title to RVD on Raw and then let HHH finally get his win over Shawn at Rumble or something.

 

I mean really what is this big hurry to get the title back on HHH? He can afford to go a few months without it.

 

Besides, RVD is just flat out due for a title win. He's had shots against Austin (only won non title match), against Angle (again non title), beat Jericho by DQ and in tag matches when he was champ, had a Dusty Finish screwjob against UT, was also screwed by Flair against HHH, etc. I mean it is just flat out time for the guy to win the big one.

 

Seriously, I can deal with even a run in DQ type deal. The only utterly retarded finish would be Shawn going over clean.