The Dames7: hey mike, can I talk to you for a second?
McM cOmPuT: Sure,
McM cOmPuT: Whats up?
The Dames7: I've been out of the loop for quite some time as I'm sure you know
The Dames7: I dont post anywhere really, I've moved on with my life, you know what I mean
McM cOmPuT: I know, I have done the same until recently. Unfortunately.
The Dames7: so I find out a few days ago that there's been a takeover at TSM, my old board and everyone was upset about the way things went down
The Dames7: and I've heard their side of the story and I'd like to hear yours, if you dont mind.
The Dames7: the reason why I ask is because TSM meant a lot to me and I may not be around now, but I have an interest in keeping it alive if possible.
McM cOmPuT: do you have an account on the forums? I can fwd you what I have sent to a few others,
McM cOmPuT: I have explained my self several times and its getting old, no offense to you.
The Dames7: well, keep in mind that is the first time that I am speaking to you.
The Dames7: I have people asking me why things are going out of control
The Dames7: and I'd like to know exactly what is going on and what can be done about it.
McM cOmPuT: Well if you are talking with any of the previous staff, granted some i still trust and would talk to, I am sure they have called me every other word in the dictionary.
The Dames7: I'm not interested in anyone's feelings, Mike, I want facts, what happened.
The Dames7: we can figure out who's upset later.
McM cOmPuT: k,
McM cOmPuT: month ago, lenna came to me wanting to purchase the forums (its that time of the year again).
The Dames7: when is the contract up
McM cOmPuT: I laughed, brushed it off, and told the staff I wouldn't consider an offer like that legit.
McM cOmPuT: contracts got 18 more months, domain name expires on April 11th every year.
The Dames7: what kind of an offer did she make you the first time
McM cOmPuT: I I didn't even listen to her the first time.
The Dames7: do you know who this person is? Leena?
McM cOmPuT: few weeks later she came back and said she was serious, we talk a bit more and I could tell it was a legit offer as she overnighted a money order
McM cOmPuT: I know the person she is, she is crazy and moody.
The Dames7: so did you actually receive the money order?
McM cOmPuT: Yea, clear as cash.
The Dames7: yes, this is someone that I had issues with for many years. I believe you and I had talked about how often she was hacking the forums.
McM cOmPuT: no paypal, it was straight up legit.
The Dames7: ok. and what happened once you received the payment
McM cOmPuT: on the hacking forums, I know she got blamed for that and several other things, but I never found anything but the arcade hacking legit.
McM cOmPuT: We are a large forum and always have other sites in china and locally trying to do things,
McM cOmPuT: Ah,
McM cOmPuT: and the password thing on someones account.
McM cOmPuT: forgot about that too.
The Dames7: Mike, not to get away from the point, but you and I spoke about her and why she was locked out for a reason.
The Dames7: but either way, what happened then
McM cOmPuT: I know, I made a mistake picking Leena for sure.
McM cOmPuT: I have told everyone that and she also agreed it wasn't the right move
McM cOmPuT: They didn't accept me saying I made a big mistake and I realize that. They just continued to bash.
The Dames7: wait a second, lets step back
McM cOmPuT: k,
The Dames7: so you accepted the payment and then did what
The Dames7: made Leena the admin?
McM cOmPuT: She became admin.
The Dames7: demodded everyone, what
McM cOmPuT: correct,
The Dames7: did she do that or did you
McM cOmPuT: I had to remove the admin accts since and admin can't de admin a super admin
The Dames7: I see, I remember that.
The Dames7: ok, so then everyone gets upset. Do you understand why they were upset?
McM cOmPuT: She changed alot of members around, banned some of the staff I think,
McM cOmPuT: I understood why there were upset to begin with, and have appologized and admitted MY mistake,
McM cOmPuT: I have said countless times, I'd go back and un-do things, but life doesn't work that way.
The Dames7: I understand that.
The Dames7: but think about it from their perspective.
The Dames7: if someone repossess your car because you havent made your payment, that sucks.
The Dames7: if someone repossesses your car because your neighbor bought it for more money, thats fucked up.
The Dames7: why didn't you give them a chance to match the offer?
The Dames7: do you think they wouldn't have?
McM cOmPuT: Honestly, because I didn't think Leena was serious first off.
McM cOmPuT: second, I have gotten PMs & IMs saying the current staff was a clique and if you weren't their friends you had to watch your back.
The Dames7: so once you received the money order, before you cashed it, you didnt think about asking if they'd match or out bid you then?
McM cOmPuT: Nope, They were a month past the payment date.
McM cOmPuT: Granted, it did come up in conversation, but no actions were ever made or asking for my address to mail a check.
The Dames7: Mike, you barely post and you're mainly in charge of the server. Why would you have to worry about "watching your back"
The Dames7: none of them pose a threat to you
McM cOmPuT: Traffic has decreased significantly since Feb 2008
McM cOmPuT: That was my other issue,
The Dames7: Mike, this is bound to happen.
McM cOmPuT: i had brought it up to them time to time about bannings being made for no reason, but nothing seemed to change.
The Dames7: people get banned for reasons
The Dames7: about the traffic, listen
McM cOmPuT: 39137 unique visitors in March 2008
The Dames7: the board is a small community, a community going on almost 7 years or more and counting
The Dames7: and as people grow up and get busier, they have less time
McM cOmPuT: 23645 in Feb 2009
The Dames7: Mike, stop giving me numbers, I dont care.
The Dames7: I'm telling you why this is happening.
McM cOmPuT: Ok, well that administration came in to power about the same time.
The Dames7: TSM is not going to grow very much more than what it is now
McM cOmPuT: In all the years of history, it has never seen a drop that sharp over time.
The Dames7: it is a niche community
The Dames7: people grow up
The Dames7: stop watching wrestling
The Dames7: have families
The Dames7: have jobs
McM cOmPuT: I realize that, but shrinking by a third nearly?
The Dames7: fine, I'll concede a point for the moment, the traffic was less than before.
McM cOmPuT: I am apart of other forums and also have friends who run others and thats just unheard of. Something is wrong, not people growing up,
The Dames7: there's many reasons for that, but either way, the next thing that happened is that people starting having issues with their private messages.
The Dames7: can you tell me more about that?
McM cOmPuT: Yes,
McM cOmPuT: 500+ PMs were sent out from a few mod/admin accounts.
McM cOmPuT: Is that spamming?
The Dames7: Mike, spamming is more like an automatic email, a form email
The Dames7: something with viruses or harmful things to your computer
McM cOmPuT: Lol, no.
The Dames7: these people were extending an invitation, as far as I was told
McM cOmPuT: Spam is unsolicited emails or PMs advertising something else.
The Dames7: people that they knew, not strangers.
McM cOmPuT: 500+ PMs over the course of a few hours is not invites.
The Dames7: and where is the rule about no spamming
McM cOmPuT: its copy and paste all the members.
McM cOmPuT: #4.
McM cOmPuT: spamming equals banning.
The Dames7: You realize that we wrote those rules, right?
McM cOmPuT: Yes,
McM cOmPuT: Simple question if someone told you that 4 accoutns on the forums sent out 500+PMs what would you call that?
The Dames7: if someone told me that the forums moderators or administrators did that, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
The Dames7: a standard member, yes.
McM cOmPuT: Lol, ok, well once difference between us then.
McM cOmPuT: Second they were changing words in topics and their titles and pulling stuff from the admin folder in public view.
McM cOmPuT: Whats that called?
The Dames7: Mike, why do you have a problem with the way we run our board?
The Dames7: it seems as if you are doing this out of an emotional reaction to the backlash.
McM cOmPuT: 500PMs for another forum, regardless of the forum you visit is spam
McM cOmPuT: and you would get banned for it.
McM cOmPuT: Try it.
McM cOmPuT: What do you call the childish rewording and moving topics from admin folder to public view/
The Dames7: accountability.
The Dames7: people want to know whats going on and they dont want to be kept in the dark.
McM cOmPuT: So then why did we ever have a private forum?
McM cOmPuT: Look I really am not sure where you are headed with things, I know we don't see eye to eye on some things.
The Dames7: I just want to know the facts.
The Dames7: because now, it seems as if everyone is leaving the board
The Dames7: and now you won't have any traffic.
McM cOmPuT: Lol, thats not true.
The Dames7: well, you're going to have a lot less than before it seems.
McM cOmPuT: If that be the case, then it is and I can't do anything about it.
The Dames7: so what happens now
The Dames7: is she still in charge
McM cOmPuT: I have said all i can say to the previous staff and just get trash talk from them, both on forums and AIM
The Dames7: I'm sure you won't have to say much more to them soon enough.
The Dames7: you've upset a lot of people
The Dames7: I still dont think you get why
McM cOmPuT: Nope Leena is not an admin or mod.
The Dames7: ok, so who is in charge now
McM cOmPuT: That'd be me and a few others that remained.
McM cOmPuT: I am in talks with two people who are wanting to buy the forum out.
The Dames7: I read that there was some interest in purchasing the archived folders. Have you heard anything about that
McM cOmPuT: We both know I am not an forum admin type guy, and don't want to remain admin, but If the other two deals fall through then I will have to go to plan b
McM cOmPuT: Was the archived thing the efed boards?
The Dames7: no, it is not.
The Dames7: it is the entire forum.
McM cOmPuT: DubQ?
The Dames7: I dont know exactly who or what
McM cOmPuT: I think its him, that how he approached me first, and wanted to move the site off the server.
The Dames7: is that possible
The Dames7: I read somewhere that the entire forums is only about 9 gigs large
The Dames7: is that right
McM cOmPuT: Yes, however you got a few other considerations I don't think people realize...
McM cOmPuT: it does up to almost 100Gb in traffic a month and the logs for the forums are 100-250Mb/day
McM cOmPuT: so yes while the post/topics may only be that big it still takes a monester truck to handle the traffic.
McM cOmPuT: I know you understand this from years ago.
The Dames7: Ok...but if we purchase the archives and make them read only, not add any new posts to it, it shouldn't be anymore than 9 gigs of storage, no?
McM cOmPuT: Here are the problems,
McM cOmPuT: Yes, thats all the storage you need,
McM cOmPuT: BUT if you have 100GB/month of traffic going out, thats a lot of traffic.
The Dames7: there won't be any traffic at all.
McM cOmPuT: Another problem is you may remember this in the old days.
The Dames7: it'll be text.
McM cOmPuT: It requries CPU power to process things from the database.
The Dames7: lets say that I had another server, lets say that I owned one.
The Dames7: how would I take those 9 gigs and put them on my server.
McM cOmPuT: If you are talking about archiving it somewhere in black & white
McM cOmPuT: and not many people using it, you could get away with a cheap hosting plan, yes
The Dames7: imagine if we store it on a hard drive never to be added to again
McM cOmPuT: Does that make sense?
The Dames7: dont worry about the hosting at all
The Dames7: I'm asking about the actual raw data itself
The Dames7: the 9 gigs that the forums take up, I could put on my home computer
The Dames7: can't you just burn that onto a dvd or bluray?
The Dames7: or put on a flash drive or something like that?
McM cOmPuT: lol, no/
McM cOmPuT: Its a MySQL database.
McM cOmPuT: Not txt files, PDFs or word documents.
McM cOmPuT: Its not pretty either, like the site makes it.
McM cOmPuT: By no means would i hand that over either.
The Dames7: I dont want the program
McM cOmPuT: I am in a contract with the server, and have told DubQ if we did anything I would need to buy out the contract and close it.
The Dames7: I just want the actual text that people wrote
The Dames7: how can that be done
The Dames7: I dont need it to look pretty
McM cOmPuT: I will not give out the database, period. Unless the contract is paid out.
The Dames7: I'm not asking about the database
McM cOmPuT: There would be nothing keeping someone from downloading IPB illegally and uploading it, turning it on and having the member database.
The Dames7: I'm asking the posts, what people wrote.
The Dames7: I dont want IPB at all.
McM cOmPuT: There is no way to archive just the post that I am aware of.
The Dames7: Mike, when I crashed the board many years ago, do you remember this? we made a back up at the time?
McM cOmPuT: Yes, It a database.
McM cOmPuT: Its not readable.
McM cOmPuT: I don't know how to explain that.
McM cOmPuT: There is no file you can open in word and see the post.
McM cOmPuT: Its a database, with tables and rows.
McM cOmPuT: If its close to anything its like excel, not word
McM cOmPuT: I am not trying to be a pain, or put you off, but does that make sense?
The Dames7: I'm trying to understand.
McM cOmPuT: let me get a query, hold on
McM cOmPuT: Querys is how DBs work
The Dames7: dont bother Mike, you'll just confuse me and I dont want to get off track
The Dames7: what happens now.
McM cOmPuT: ok,
The Dames7: you're waiting to see who offers to buy the contract?
McM cOmPuT: Yes, with that. I would be out of TSM totally.
McM cOmPuT: no more server on my side, and TSM at full control of someone else.
The Dames7: so when Leena bought it from you, you were supposed to stay out of the way entirely?
McM cOmPuT: Nope, it was the same deal the previous staff had.
McM cOmPuT: 50/50
The Dames7: and you're not looking for that deal now
McM cOmPuT: No,
McM cOmPuT: honestly, we both no I just need to be out of the loop.
McM cOmPuT: The only reason TSM has been around this long is because multiple people tied to the server and ownership
The Dames7: here's the problem Mike
McM cOmPuT: After all this mess and seeing how much i was trash talked and talked behind my back, I just need out
The Dames7: you really offended a lot of the people with your actions and no one wants to do business with you
The Dames7: so it seems like you're going to have an empty server and not get paid anything pretty soon. a lot of people are leaving.
McM cOmPuT: Well if thats what happens, then so be it,
McM cOmPuT: what are you saying I should do?
McM cOmPuT: let everyone back on and split the server payments again?
The Dames7: I can't tell you what to do
The Dames7: its yours to do what you wish
The Dames7: I just wanted to know what was going on
The Dames7: but I think you really need to work on your people skills, Mike.
The Dames7: you rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
The Dames7: and a lot of this could have been avoided if you just talked to people, rationally.
McM cOmPuT: I understand all that, and when I came in the chatroom that day, they were not rationally.
The Dames7: well, you should have expected an angry mob
McM cOmPuT: the chat was moving so fast, they were just ignoring what I said.
McM cOmPuT: lol,
The Dames7: well, considering half the things you say dont make sense and go over peoples head, its hard to understand sometimes.
The Dames7: we aren't technical people
The Dames7: I read that chat
The Dames7: and it really seems as if you care more about traffic and making money than alienating everyone providing the traffic and paying you money.
The Dames7: and there's no coming back from that.
The Dames7: if you can find someone to pay you what you're looking for, congratulations.
The Dames7: but I think at this point, everyone is done.
McM cOmPuT: ok,
The Dames7: try to learn from it and move on.
McM cOmPuT: I am deff moving on.
McM cOmPuT: Thanks for the talk,
The Dames7: It was good doing business with you Mike.