HBK vs. RVD Should NOT Be Given Away for Free!

[Guest Kamui]

Think about this for a second- all this excitement over HBK vs. RVD next week on RAW and no one has brought up the simple fact that:

 

ONCE AGAIN, WWE IS GIVING AWAY A PPV-CALIBER MATCH ON FREE TV!

 

This is a DREAM match for marks. Think about it- this is the kind of thing that would appear in WWE Magazine's "Fantasy Warfare" column, the kind of match that anyone can look at and say "I would pay money to see these two guys, who I never, ever thought I'd see wrestle, go at it.".

 

You have Shawn Micheals, the best high-flying young Main Eventer of the mid-90s against Rob Van Dam, the best high-flying, young, almost-Main-Eventer of today- for the (almost legit) World Heavyweight Title to boot.

 

THIS BELONGS ON PPV, DAMNIT, NOT ON RAW!!!!

 

-Duo

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

If I don't have to pay 30 bucks to see a mediocre show that happens to have this match on it, then it most definitely belongs on Raw.

 

::is cheap, and wise::

[Guest Paranoid]

Who else is HBK gonna fight? This is a perfect match for RAW. HHH will interfer and there will be a ThreeWay battle at the next PPV. Damn people want better RAW shows and now you have one and you are still bitching.

[Guest Kamui]

Who else is HBK gonna fight? This is a perfect match for RAW. HHH will interfer and there will be a ThreeWay battle at the next PPV. Damn people want better RAW shows and now you have one and you are still bitching.

I'm not bitching, just stating that giving away a match the caliber of HBK vs. RVD on an episode of RAW is bad for buisness.

 

And again, don't look for HHH interference anytime soon- if you read the interview, he's gone for at least 10 more days and possiably more.

 

-Dduo

[Guest Kingpk]

Who else is HBK gonna fight? This is a perfect match for RAW. HHH will interfer and there will be a ThreeWay battle at the next PPV. Damn people want better RAW shows and now you have one and you are still bitching.

That wasn't a "better RAW show". It was as bland and dull as it's been for a while now.

 

When 3MW (I thought Rico was supposed to be good?), Jeff Hardly, Kane, Ric Flair (unless they, you know, GIVE HIM SOMETHING TO DO!!), Bautista (We went down this road already), and The New Old Dudleys are off my TV and Victoria and Stacy take some acting lessons, then I'd upgrade my opinion from to

[Guest DJ Jeff]

I guess this goes to show the WWE can't please everyone, but that's beside the point.

 

As far as HBK vs. RVD goes, I was hoping they would hold off until Armageddon to have this match. They should have had HBK vs. Booker T on RAW, since he was saying how he was overlooked. To be honest, I was kinda surprised that RVD won. Regardless, I'm looking forward to this match, and I'm hoping that HHH doesn't get involved.

[Guest Trivia247]

Lets be realistic here...

 

Sure this would be a PPV calibur match....

 

If it was done like in 96-97.

 

HBK has slowed down due to being careful about his back. He been able to do his spots, including Nip ups and even the Moonsault, but they seem more staged than usual.

 

RVD is about 10 MPH faster than HBK is currently. So Unless RVD somehow dropped down to HBK speed realistically. then I dunno how good this match will be. No Doubt it will be Decent, but not smelling the ***** in the wind.

[Guest Paranoid]

Who else is HBK gonna fight?  This is a perfect match for RAW.  HHH will interfer and there will be a ThreeWay battle at the next PPV.  Damn people want better RAW shows and now you have one and you are still bitching.

That wasn't a "better RAW show". It was as bland and dull as it's been for a while now.

 

When 3MW (I thought Rico was supposed to be good?), Jeff Hardly, Kane, Ric Flair (unless they, you know, GIVE HIM SOMETHING TO DO!!), Bautista (We went down this road already), and The New Old Dudleys are off my TV and Victoria and Stacy take some acting lessons, then I'd upgrade my opinion from to

I was referring to next weeks RAW.

[Guest RedJed]

Who knows, maybe we will have a rematch at the ppv.

 

I refuse though to bitch about NOT having to pay to see this match. Numbers for the WWE are down all over the place, this just makes sense to do. People aren't going to even care about the ppvs unless you make the shows decent, and this is just part of that example.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

It'll end with a HHH/run in/screw job finish anyway, so big deal. And it should be on free tv cause most of the shit people have been paying $35 a month to in 2002 hasn't been pay per view quality.

 

Plus the ratings are kind of in the pooper...

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Speak for yourself, yo. I'm seeing RVD WIN THE TITLE IN PERSON, BAYBEE~!

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest DJ Jeff]

Speak for yourself, yo. I'm seeing RVD WIN THE TITLE IN PERSON, BAYBEE~!

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

So if RVD doesn't win the title we can say it was because you were in attendance?

 

Same goes for if he wins it of course.

[Guest AfricanAmerican]

I'm beginning to think that maybe RVD was supposed to walk out of Survivor Series with the title. I think the only reason why he was eliminated so early was the thought that his knee had been blown out. Maybe putting the title on HBK was a last minute type deal, so I wouldnt be surprised to see RVD win it on Raw. I could be wrong though.

[Guest BA_Baracus]

Why do you care about the WWE's PPV buyrates?

 

Personally as a fan I think getting a PPV quality match for free is a good thing.

 

I mean, look at any other big TV show. Does "Friends" make you pay 40 bucks for the important episodes? No...they're free. I don't see why wrestling fans have this weird attitute whereby they think they should have to pay extra for good matches. Why? It's just another case of Vince screwing the fans, but it's been going on so long that we've accepted it.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Dream match? Most marks never cared much for Shawn when he was the ace of the promotion, let alone now. As for RVD, I hate to continue the pesimism, but what has he done this year besides act as fodder for Trips and Taker? Not a whole helluva lot, and I can't see why this would be anymore of a "dream match" than HBK vs. any other filler talent.

 

I mean, I didn't see Raw, but from what I heard, it wasn't RVD who was getting all the support, but Booker, and Rob was even getting booed in some instances. If it's true, it not only confirms my belief that fans no longer care about Rob, but that the WWE STILL won't listen to what the fans want and will probably miss the boat with Booker as well. What a mess this company is.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

No, RVD was getting the strongest reaction EXCEPT when Booker was the only guy out there, as in the case of his pre-match promo.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest Paranoid]

I have never heard Booker get a bigger pop then RVD.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Booker T gets a lot of heat as he builds towards, "Can you dig that suckaaaaaaaaaa" after that, the crowd can care less about Booker T. Maybe Vince is going to realize that RVD may not be a lost cause and actually build him up somewhat, although there is LITTLE CHANCE of a clean win by either man next week.

[Guest Kamui]

Lets be realistic here...

 

Sure this would be a PPV calibur match....

 

If it was done like in 96-97.

 

HBK has slowed down due to being careful about his back. He been able to do his spots, including Nip ups and even the Moonsault, but they seem more staged than usual.

 

RVD is about 10 MPH faster than HBK is currently. So Unless RVD somehow dropped down to HBK speed realistically. then I dunno how good this match will be. No Doubt it will be Decent, but not smelling the ***** in the wind.

I wasn't saying the match itself would be PPV-caliber (although it very well could be if both men are motivated), I was saying on paper, to many marks, it would be.

 

-Duo

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

If they are serious about going with HBK as the champion...

 

there is no match they could make on RAW that has more attraction value than this one.

 

Given that, I would have put in on PPV.

 

However, everything revolves around their crazy and wacky booking plans...which I'd bet end with HHH winning the belt back at Armaggeddon

[Guest nikowwf]

BPS21

 

You are 1,000 percent correct. Will they screw up RVD / HBK? Depends on if you feel having HHH run out, squash both of them, and then go over both of them at the PPV is screwing up.

 

Niko

[Guest El Satanico]

Booker was getting a good reaction at Raw, but not bigger than RVD's.

[Guest Black Tiger]

I have a feeling that the match will end when HBK hitts the Sweet Chin Music and pins him for a three count.

 

Last night there were several comments about how much RAW is sucking right now, maybe Gerwitz or whoever is writing for RAW is taking notes from Smackdown and putting on good matches, and doing less "sports entertainment".

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I would rather HBK pin him clean then have HHH interfere and cost him the match.

 

I've seen that too many times. RVD's a big boy, he can job clean and it won't hurt his heat.

[Guest humongous2002]

Dream match? Most marks never cared much for Shawn when he was the ace of the promotion, let alone now. As for RVD, I hate to continue the pesimism, but what has he done this year besides act as fodder for Trips and Taker? Not a whole helluva lot, and I can't see why this would be anymore of a "dream match" than HBK vs. any other filler talent.

 

I mean, I didn't see Raw, but from what I heard, it wasn't RVD who was getting all the support, but Booker, and Rob was even getting booed in some instances. If it's true, it not only confirms my belief that fans no longer care about Rob, but that the WWE STILL won't listen to what the fans want and will probably miss the boat with Booker as well. What a mess this company is.

Before you make comments like that you better have your facts straight or you'll look like a fool, RVD was way over and for Booker I doubt that Vince will ever give the title to him.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

WOah.

 

I missed that.

 

How wrong could that be?

 

The person who recaps RAW for the observer said that Booker was the most over.

 

Every one else in the world who watched it saw RVD out pop Booker, Shawn and anyone else around there.

 

Not to mention the reaction he got at Survivor Series both for coming out and heat for getting eliminated.

 

When Booker is standing RIGHT THERE and fans are chanting for RVD...Book is not more over.

 

When Booker T is in the Walls of Jericho and fans should be cheering for him to get out of it...and fans are chanting for RVD WHO'S DOWN ON THE OUTSIDE DOING NOTHING...Booker is not more over.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Before you make comments like that you better have your facts straight or you'll look like a fool, RVD was way over and for Booker I doubt that Vince will ever give the title to him.

 

That's phrases like "from what I heard" and "if that's true" come into play. Reading the entire post is your friend.

 

And I wasn't going off what I read in the observor, just what a friend told me who watched the show. As for Booker and the title, I'm in total agreement, Vince would never put the title on him, but he also wouldn't put the title on RVD last December, or Jericho last October. Meanwhile, our current world champions are a guy one bump away from paralysis and a heaping pile of dead weight.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

side note:

 

I watched that big pile of shit vs. Brock off of a download...

 

Man...Brock did everything in his power to make that watchable. Big Show gave him NO HELP on the first two suplexes at all.

 

After the first one you could tell Brock was pissed off at him.

 

Moral: Brock = Good now. And I can't beleive they put the title on Big Show.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

Be 150 pounds overweight, talentless, and a sloppy shit to injure the champion at a house show can make YOU TOO a champion in the WWF.

[Guest subliminal_animal]

How'd he injure Brock? I thought that just happened on a bad bump or what have you.

 

Right on about the WWE not giving this match on PPV. The month could have been eaten up with matches against Booker, Jericho and maybe even a quick nontitle match in between those against someone like Storm or Will Regal.

 

Dream match? Most marks never cared much for Shawn when he was the ace of the promotion, let alone now.

I don't see how you could justify that.

 

I mean, I didn't see Raw, but from what I heard, it wasn't RVD who was getting all the support, but Booker, and Rob was even getting booed in some instances.

I don't know who told you this, but I don't ever remember Van Dam getting booed since the early Alliance days.