Future "Smark" Darlings.

[Guest Bricks]

I thought Brock is a smark darling right now, well, everywhere except this board, but he's getting there.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Alright, I understand that maybe Low-Ki's style could hold him back from ever getting steady work with the WWE but don't think for one second the guy wouldn't be over as a motherfucker. I have a match from Jakked in early 2001 Low-Ki vs Christian and he had the crowd eating out of his hand. But, if he refuses to change he's S.O.L.

 

American Dragon is stiff as hell too, but he's shown on occasion that he can tone it down and work the mat and highspots if he needs to. Plus, like somebody mentioned he was trained by Regal and also HBK so he's got a good shot of making it. The Cattle Mutilation would get crazy over too.

 

Nowinski has a good shot one day, as he's big enough but quite agile too.

 

I can't ever see Matt Hardy (V.1) being ever pushed passed anything but midcard level but time will tell.

 

Randy Orton is going to be the next Rock. Mark these words. Give him a couple years and some *ahem* bulking up and you'll see.

[Guest Brian]

Nowinski looks like shit in the ring though. He's lanky like Inoki.

 

If Benjamin ever gets a proper debut he could be pretty big following the Angle and Brock successes.

[Guest Choken One]

I can't really say much for the Low Ki and AD subjects but let's be honest here...In 1996 no one was calling HHH the next star or Rock the biggest thing since sliced bread...It's unknown...we can expect or believe that Nowinski will be the next great heel or Orton will be the second coming of Dewayne Johnson but we never know...maybe Jonah from TE3 is the next god of wrestling...

[Guest razazteca]

the Texas Wrestling Academy Trio:

 

American Dragon

Spanky

Lance Cade

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

This is pretty much for North America and WWE. As I don't know much about other area's.

 

Past: Ric Flair, Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Dynamite Kid, Brian Pillman, Ricky Morton, Shawn Michaels, etc. Of Course some of these could be argued.

 

Present: Benoit, Eddie, Chavo, Angle, Rey Mysterio, Jericho, Booker T, Jerry Lynn etc. Of Course some of these could be argued.

 

With the exception of Noble, Helms and arguably Edge, I can't really see any other guys who will become our Favorites and become "God like" workers after guys like Benoit, Angle, Eddie, etc fade away. Maybe AJ Styles if he ever decides to come to the WWE?

 

I'm not an "Expert" on the Indy scene so who do you think could be great in the future? Along with "younger" guys in the WWE now?

Ricky Steamboat is the #2 Smark Darling. Where is he.

 

 

(Flair is #1 IMO)

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

Helms is a yardtard, so Ubersmarks should never like him for that reasons alone.

Mick Foley did backyard stuff, too, and that hasn't stopped him from being loved by smarks.

[Guest snowfan]

Helms is a yardtard, so Ubersmarks should never like him for that reasons alone.

Mick Foley did backyard stuff, too, and that hasn't stopped him from being loved by smarks.

Hear hear...

 

Helms has transcended Yardom...

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

It's tricky. I don't see many guys out there who can go in the way that Eddy, Benoit, and Angle can--wrestle a ton of styles, play a ton of roles, and make it all look good.

 

Knoble is great, and I really do think American Dragon could do well. Besides all his matwork, he has an absolutely beautiful brainbuster (a lot like Eddy's, but with more kick to it) and can pull off a ton of suplexes. He's very flexible...but he is small, so it's tough to say. Even Eddy, Benoit, and Angle are 215, 220 and up now...I don't think Dragon breaks 200. He'd be a huge smark favorite if he got signed, though.

 

I don't think a guy like Moore or Helms will ever be huge enough, because though we like them, they're generally spotty workers, and they simply don't look tough enough to do more than that.

[Guest subliminal_animal]

Ki's told me himself that they don't want him because he refuses to change his style to a softer, less stiff style.

So they were interested in him if he changed his style? And it makes perfect sense for the WWE to reject him for this. These guys work four matches a week. If he's kicking the fuck out of people, they're going to be hard-pressed to keep that going. In the indies, most guys work less than once a week, so they have time to recover. Plus if he goes and does stuff like that, they're going to stiff his ass and I could see him getting intentionally injured and guys refusing to work with him. Haven't seen too many Low-Ki matches, but how does he pull his strikes so they don't kill anyone? Can you tell? Bps mentioned him kicking Styles in the throat ...how can he do that without seriously fucking the guy up? Has he ever injured anyone badly? And does he tend to take a lot of stiffness from his opponents, or is he just usually the one dishing it out?

 

Am Dragon was trained by Regal so he has a way in, but is too much of a mat worker to get any play.  

Didn't Michaels start him out, though? And does Dragon usually work in as much stiff stuff as Lo-Ki? I've only seen bits and pieces of his matches.

 

Since I've never heard it mentioned, does anyone know Dragon's amateur background? He's got a have one with a style like that.

 

Wasn't Daniels released from a developmental deal years back because he didn't have size?

 

Damn, I'm all questions today. Anywho, any answers would be appreciated.

[Guest subliminal_animal]

Helms is a yardtard, so Ubersmarks should never like him for that reasons alone.

Mick Foley did backyard stuff, too, and that hasn't stopped him from being loved by smarks.

I think those were only videotapes of stunts, not really backyard wrestling as most of us know it.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

I'm going with Brock he has the potential to be up there with the alltime best, he'd improve faster if he was actually allowed to work with the talented workers on Smackdown more often

 

Others? Well The Damaja has looked pretty good to me from what I've seen (his OVW match with Kurt got favourable reviews) Doug Williams and Johnny Storm both have huge potential but are rough around the edges at present and American Dragon could well be the next Benoit level worker

[The Dames 0]

Ki's told me himself that they don't want him because he refuses to change his style to a softer, less stiff style.

So they were interested in him if he changed his style? And it makes perfect sense for the WWE to reject him for this. These guys work four matches a week.

He had some try out matches, such as the aforementioned match with Christian on Jakked, as well as some developmental sessions....and was told he was too stiff. He prefers the stiff style of Japan and doesn't want to be a "sports entertainer" so thats why he turned down their suggestions.

 

Dames

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

Nowinski, Cena, Matt Hardy, and maybe Randy Orton.

[Guest BigPoppaKev]

the Texas Wrestling Academy Trio:

 

American Dragon

Spanky

Lance Cade

Definately. I just hope they let Spanky keep his in ring style when he debuts because people are going to love this guy. He is awesome. I hope AD gets a chance but I don't think he will. Lance Cade I haven't seen really so I can't comment on him.

[Guest Tim Cooke]

on Jamie Noble-

 

His WCW stuff from January-March 2001 is even better than his HWA work where he had to tone it down. Go get his Super 8 matches v Matt Stryker and Donovan Morgan as well. He brings Stryker to the greatest match of his life. Noble has the potential to be as good as Benoit. Too bad he will never get to show it.

 

on Chris Nowinski as a "Smark Darling"-

 

First, the term "Smark Darling" is like a keyword for "Internet Basement Nerd" but that's for another thread.

 

Nowinski sucks in the ring. Chris, at least Maven could do some decent stuff and he sucks as well. With time, Maven could be okay since he has the look, but Nowinski sucks a big fat one.

 

Tim

[Guest razazteca]

I only said Lance Cade because he is related to HBK and the last time I saw him in TWA which was years ago he looked like Barry Windham.

[Guest Brian]

I totally agree about Noble's WCW work. But I'm just now catching up on his HWA stuff and it's pretty great. His Stryker match is great.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

on Chris Nowinski as a "Smark Darling"-

 

First, the term "Smark Darling" is like a keyword for "Internet Basement Nerd" but that's for another thread.

 

Nowinski sucks in the ring. Chris, at least Maven could do some decent stuff and he sucks as well. With time, Maven could be okay since he has the look, but Nowinski sucks a big fat one.

 

Tim

Gotta agree there. Nowinski gets a lot of love for apparently no reason. He was kinda interesting at first, but boy howdy, does he suck.

[Guest Brian]

Like I said earlier, he's lanky in the ring. He gets alot of love for the mic work but there's no wrestling ability.

[Guest CanadianChick]

He'll probably improve, just like most workers do. He is pretty young after all...

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Maybe, but he'd first have to get off TV for a significant amount of time, beef up, learn how to piece together a decent match, and find a new gimmick.

 

The Harvard schtick may be okay now, but people are already starting to not give a damn about him.

[Guest CanadianChick]

I don't mind the feud he's in with Snow/Maven right now, but IMO, Snow is looking pretty weak in that feud. But I guess your right that Chris should learn to wrestle better.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

The problem is the crowd will piss all over it because they are trained to not like small people and mat wrestlers. That's a double wammy.

The hell? Are you deaf or did we really wake up in 1996? Kurt Angle and Rey Mysterio are getting the biggest pops in the WWE. PERIOD. Rob Van Dam is a distant third.

 

Management is less likely to care than the crowd will.

 

As for my opinions on these guys:

 

Helms is a great in-ring worker and that's it. He's got problems everywhere else. To rip off an HHH shirt (not in the Hogan sense), Gimmicks Are Temporary, Mic Work Is Forever.

 

Cena's okay, but I think Shelton Benjamin will be better.

 

I give Nowinski credit for showing up and getting tossed around regularly (even when he was officially on the injured list), but that's about it.

 

Moore I like, Hardy I've always liked but rarely talked about because before Matt's heel turn both of them constantly were bashed as gay around here (now only one of them is)

 

I could like Lesnar if they let him do more.

[Guest CanadianChick]

I'd say Angle is #1, and RVD is #2. I don't think that Rey is getting more pops than RVD in general.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Rey is getting way more pops since he doesn't point to himself or have a catchy name. Granted, the 619 thing is kind of over, but it's not like he has to put it into his promos and prompt the crowd to say it along with him.

[Guest EricMM]

I would mark like a bitch if I saw a Low-Ki vs AD calibur match on TV at all. Anything as awsome as their Round Robin final would be surprising. Nothing on TV, ever, has seemed that legit, and looked that good. Call me a ROH mark, but that and the triple threat match are by far my favorite matches I've ever seen, period.

[Guest Dace59]

1) Nobody read the UBER bit in my post? Ubersmarks hate Foley are yardtards be defual. For many reasons, general because they happen to be trained themselves.

 

2) Helms was a yardtard, along with both Hardys.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

This is jumping way ahead of myself, but I keep reading how Teddy Hart and Davey Boy Smith's son are supposed to be Child Prodigies. They could be Greats someday.

[Guest notJames]

I don't see what's so great about Shannon Moore. He's as competent a flippy-flop wrestler as any of the hundreds out there, but he's got no distinct look or presence, and his matches are standard cruiserweight fare without any "oooh look at that move" or "damn, how'd he do that" to them. Boooorrrrrring.

 

I think the ultimate smark darling has to be Funaki. he's such an underdog that smarks everywhere must like him, just for getting any kind of TV time. Too bad he's been neutered to the point that I can't even remember how good he was in old school Kaientai.