This is why I hate the McMahons.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Brock Lesnar’s sudden face turn is the brainchild of Vince McMahon. Vince felt that Brock has been cheered by most WWE fans since Summerslam anyway, and he would give the fans what they wanted.

 

However, it appears the plan to push Brock to the moon has been halted slightly by the failure of McMahon to sign Lennox Lewis to a shoot fight. McMahon believed a win over Lewis would make Brock a mega star, but without that kind of mainstream publicity he is not worth sacrificing the rest of the WWE roster over entirely.

 

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

 

 

 

1. Giving the fans what they want? BULLSHIT. If you cared about that AT ALL HHH wouldn't be on TV, HBK wouldn't be champion, BIG SHOW SURE AS FUCK WOULDN'T BE CHAMPION...I could go on.

 

2. You already sacraficed enough that stopping his push was retarded at the point you did it.

 

3. HE DROPPED THE TITLE TO THE FUCKING WORTHLESS FAT PIECE OF SHIT.

 

I HATE YOU VINCE MCMAHON. HATE HATE HATE.

 

First you push him to hard since he was putting up DUDs with no heat.

 

THEN he gets over and starts having better matches...and you drop him to THE FUCKING BIG SHOW.

 

I hope you lose a lot more money.

[Guest the pinjockey]

It is amazing how he got all of his money when he changes entire plans on a whim. Oh well the Lewis thing fell through so does that mean you abort the last six months of pushes. And when they put the plan in motion at KotR was the Lewis deal even on the radar, I doubt it, so why deviate from the original plan when something you didnt plan on happening ends up not happening.

 

I am not the biggest Lesnar fan, but he was/is starting to come on strong and he at least has a reason to be champion. Big Show has proven to be worthless so why put the title on him to set up a ppv rematch ME.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

This is Vince for you. He'll do something that only he wants to see, instead of what the fans want to see.

[Guest Mole]

I didn't really like Brock that much, then when I saw him man handle Show around the ring, I thought SO much more of him. He's got my respect, man.

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

I want Vince to die and Shane get the company or whats left of it anyway

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Whoa, that was laden with anger. NHB material perhaps? I mean, whoo, lotta F-bombs.

 

And it's almost needless to wish more losses upon them. No good will come of this Brock depush.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest creativename]

And it's almost needless to wish more losses upon them. No good will come of this Brock depush.

See, it's not really much of a depush; that's the thing. This whole dropping the title to the Big Show thing is completely worthless on all levels.

 

Brock'll get the title back eventually anyway. And the way I see it, he's going to be the focus of SmackDown! a lot more as the mega-face than he was as the heel champ. They seem to want him to play the Austin role--and while I think it would be cool if they gave his character more depth, I do believe that he has the ability and charisma to get over, even if he's nothing more than Austin part II--and I'm guessing they'll play up the whole "conquering adversity" thing. He has to get more screen time to do that, though.

 

And if McMahon was certain he wanted to have Brock drop the title, he could easily have elevated someone big-time. In fact it would have been the sort of elevation that we almost never see, or the WWE would even have the opportunity to do if they wanted to. Guys like Edge or even Rey would have had their careers made by a win over Brock, and Benoit would've gotten more over than he's ever been. While it seems very strange to think that a guy like Edge or Rey could be champ, a month ago Big Show would have seemed stranger. Eddie would have also been a great choice, but unlike the others I don't think that that would have ever happened.

 

If Brock is running around with broken ribs and a torn PCL and F5'ing the Big Show all over the place, then he sure as hell could have had a TV match where he dropped the title to somebody. We haven't had a TV title change in a while anyway (though one can hope Monday fixes that).

[Guest Kingpk]

Whos, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's back the special needs bus up a bit.

 

Because Vince couldn't sign Lennox Lewis, which was a 1/1,000,000 shot anyway, Brock jobs to the BIG SHOW?!

[Guest EricMM]

Here's my take on the brock push.

 

1. If he was supposed to be a monster from the get go, he should have gotten BOTH of the BIGGEST rubs in the WWE, kicking out of the pedigree, and then cleanly pinning HHH. Beating the Rock or Hogan, at this point in time, provide MUCH less credibility than cleanly beating HHH, simply because I can't remember a regular ME level superstar has done it.

 

2. If he was NOT supposed to be a monster, then he should not have jobbed out people who payed 100x the dues and were 10x more over than he was (both Booker T and RVD).

 

Clearly 1. is the route they wanted to take. If they had just kept Show out of the title picture, and had HHH lay down for Brock, he would be a legit UNINJURED star. I dunno why they didn't look to give him HHH's rub earlier. I'm sure HHH has LOTS more to give to this business. HAH! He's got about as much to give as Hogan does.

[Guest Angle-plex]

I want Vince to die and Shane get the company or whats left of it anyway

Then we'll have Test as champ instead of Show.

 

Yay.

[Guest candie45]

That is truly mind boggling. He is worth enough to go over Rock, Hogan, Taker, Austin (assumed), RVD, and just about everyone else on the roster. But he is not worth enough to have the Big Show sacrificed to him. Not like he had any credibility anyway. So, technically, Jeff Hardy can beat Brock Lesnar.

[Guest dreamer420]

This is Vince for you. He'll do something that only he wants to see, instead of what the fans want to see.

No, Vince does the exact opposite of what we think should happen.

[LaParkaYourCar]

I want Vince to die and Shane get the company or whats left of it anyway

Then we'll have Test as champ instead of Show.

 

Yay.

Why does everyone think Shane would make Test champ? Shane's not stupid. He may be friends with Test, but he's not that stupid....is he?

[Guest bcu1979]

I want Vince to die and Shane get the company or whats left of it anyway

Then we'll have Test as champ instead of Show.

 

Yay.

Why does everyone think Shane would make Test champ? Shane's not stupid. He may be friends with Test, but he's not that stupid....is he?

When the Invasion angle first started it was reported that Shane wanted to put the WCW title on Test.

 

But I still think the suggestion of Shane running the show would be a huge improvement over the current product. Hell, anyone who doesn't like Triple H, has not reportedly lost their mind or is dating one of the wrestlers would automatically be a better choice to run the WWE.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I think people should remember he hasn't been clean pinned.

 

I think making the monster TOO unstoppable causes a problem. Remember when the Taker needed approx 500 heels to make him lose and stuff him in a coffin?

 

I would rather have a guy that can lose with several different levels of interference instead of needing a meteor to slam into the arena to get him to job instead of kicking out and hulking up.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Good in theory, bad in practice.

 

Why?

 

Because THE FUCKING MOST WORTHLESS PERSON ON THE ROSTER IS WHO THEY PUT OVER HIM.

 

Seriously, I'd have FAR more respect for WWE champion Funaki, or Crash Holly.

 

At least they try.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

You know, I've liked Brock from the very beginning. I was looking for someone new to follow up the ladder of success.. and Brock came along. Granted he did skip quite a few rungs, it was still cool to watch. Watching any wrestler become a superstar makes me as a fan feel like watching constantly actually matters. You know what I mean? In the WWE, it seems like they don't care about their long term fans at all.. so they don't give them anything special to watch for.. or even acknowledge them... so, I have to find my own little things.

 

Anyway, I'm glad that the Lennox Lewis shit didn't go through. It would've ruined Brocks credibility in my eyes. Win or lose. I could give a flying fuck if someone from 60 minutes does a 2 minute segment on wrestling. I could care less to see another cover of T.V. guide have a wrestler on it. I watch wrestling because I want to see wrestling.. I don't give a flying fuck about how much mainstream attention is currently has. Truthfully, I like it better when it's not acknowledged by everyone you see. I hated seeing WWF shirts & NWO shirts in stores like Elder Beerman.

 

So, Vince kills the push after having Brock go over everyone.. all because an angle that would've been shit didn't go through? My God, I trully can't even begin to fathom what he is thinking. I seriously can't grasp his train of thought. If Brock Vs. Lewis had went down.. wrestling would've just been made out to be a bigger laughing stock. Regardless of who won or lost. Then, to top it all off, Brock has to have his first pinfall loss come at the hands of the Big Show!? The same Big Show who was losing to Jeff Hardy, Spike Dudley & every other mid-carder consistantly?

 

I don't understand how the WWE can actually say they can't figure out what the problem areas are, or that they don't know how to approach them. That's bullshit.

[LaParkaYourCar]

Yeah I hate to say it, but Brock is growing on me too. I can see him becoming a Smark Darling someday.

 

I know I'll be marking when he takes the title from Big Show...if only because it means no more Big Show as champ.

[Guest Will Scarlet]

Brock has been likeable to me for awhile. Heck, I have liked him ever since he beat Hogan. I still cannot believe he jobbed to the Big Show. I do wonder how the WWF will find a way to top that move on the utter stupidity scale.

[Guest phoenixrising]

Brock has grown on me quite a bit. Of course F-5ing the Big Show really cemented him as one of my favorites. But he looks like he's trying in the ring and actually getting better. Show just kinda waddles around, the other wrestler does all the work (Edge on Smackdown looked like he was flying all over the place) and Show gets the rewards.

 

In the WWE, hard work (the Smackdown Six) results in JTTS status. Being big results in title runs and monster pushes. Go fig.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

Would it KILL you Mr.bps to NOT be so bitter?

 

True, Triple H isn't the greatest anymore, but it sure fuckin' beats having Hogan or The Undertaker as the 'World' Champion on RAW. Fact of the matter is, Vince is trying to appeal to the majority, not the smart marks. Go into any WWE Chat Room and i swear to GOD you'll be amazed at how many of them LOVE Triple H to death. While the ratings don't necessarily show this, they arn't really any better than they were with Taker or Hogan at the helm. In fact, even with The Rock as the title holder on RAW, ratings didn't really change at all. I can understand Vince trying to give the majority what they are wanting. They cheered the hell out of Brock at Summerslam and they did it again at the Survivor Series. Obviously Vince noticed this and is trying to capitalise on this situation. I don't think it is a bad move, and Vince is trying his best to create SOME kind of interest in his product again.

 

Also, i really think it is time to give credit to Triple H for continuing on with the match @ S.Series. The tough son of a bitch slugged it through some form of trachea injury caused by RVD. I can imagine NOT BREATHING would be a difficult task to over come, and Triple H went on through it. You cannot question the man's work ethic.

 

The Big Show going over Brock, i believe, was purely out of desperation. They had the two in a feud, Brock gets injured and needs time off, so they switch the title over to Show until Lesnar heals. It makes sense bps, and i can't see Show being long term so PLEASE...QUIT YOUR BITCHING.

 

Thank you

 

Illusion

[Guest NoSelfWorth]

Yes. Let's just sit back in silence and watch as the WWE product slides further and further into oblivion.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

What do you suggest *WE* do about it then? Do YOU know Vince McMahon? Do YOU write storylines for the WWE?

 

The answer is - NO

 

Therefore the only thing we can do about it, really, is complain.

[Guest Trivia247]

However, it appears the plan to push Brock to the moon has been halted slightly by the failure of McMahon to sign Lennox Lewis to a shoot fight. McMahon believed a win over Lewis would make Brock a mega star, but without that kind of mainstream publicity he is not worth sacrificing the rest of the WWE roster over entirely.

 

you know.... Vince's dad had Gorilla Monsoon a win over Mohammand Ali in the mid 70's in a impromptu Match..... and Ali was the Da MAN of Boxing. Monsoon didn't become a mega star off of that. The Majority of the reasons we remember him is the Dynamite Commentary he can do. All the fans saw of that fight was a Gimmicky cross over match. Brock vs Lewis wouldn't get as high, in fact most Regular fans would find it a STUNT.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

What do you suggest *WE* do about it then? Do YOU know Vince McMahon? Do YOU write storylines for the WWE?

 

The answer is - NO

 

Therefore the only thing we can do about it, really, is complain.

I think you're posting on the wrong forums.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

What do you suggest *WE* do about it then? Do YOU know Vince McMahon? Do YOU write storylines for the WWE?

 

The answer is - NO

 

Therefore the only thing we can do about it, really, is complain.

I thought you asked everyone, and especially bps, to stop being bitter and complaining, and then you say that it's the only thing that could be done???? Doesn't make much sense to me.

 

Oh, and the ratings were better when Hogan, Taker and Rock were Champion. At least they reached the 4.0 mark on occasion.

[Guest Dangerous A]

Brock Lesnar’s sudden face turn is the brainchild of Vince McMahon. Vince felt that Brock has been cheered by most WWE fans since Summerslam anyway, and he would give the fans what they wanted.

 

However, it appears the plan to push Brock to the moon has been halted slightly by the failure of McMahon to sign Lennox Lewis to a shoot fight. McMahon believed a win over Lewis would make Brock a mega star, but without that kind of mainstream publicity he is not worth sacrificing the rest of the WWE roster over entirely.

 

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

 

 

 

1. Giving the fans what they want? BULLSHIT. If you cared about that AT ALL HHH wouldn't be on TV, HBK wouldn't be champion, BIG SHOW SURE AS FUCK WOULDN'T BE CHAMPION...I could go on.

 

2. You already sacraficed enough that stopping his push was retarded at the point you did it.

 

3. HE DROPPED THE TITLE TO THE FUCKING WORTHLESS FAT PIECE OF SHIT.

 

I HATE YOU VINCE MCMAHON. HATE HATE HATE.

 

First you push him to hard since he was putting up DUDs with no heat.

 

THEN he gets over and starts having better matches...and you drop him to THE FUCKING BIG SHOW.

 

I hope you lose a lot more money.

It also says in the same newsletter that Vince is convinced that not enough people are being supportive enough to HHH and the shitty angles he's involved in

 

 

That right there states about 90% of what's wrong with the Raw show. The other 5% is the crap Gerwitz churns out.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

First of all Mr. Illusion, I never mentioned HHH in this thread.

 

So 90% of your post is out of place.

 

I can tell you've been waiting a long time to say that to me, since you tried to work it in here.

 

Picked a good day too.

 

Go ask all of the RAW viewers on this forum what they think of HHH on this day.

 

And your Big Show point would make FAR MORE SENSE if he wasn't still on TV every week. It says quite clearly in the first post why they took the title off Brock, credible source and all. Where's your source?

 

BTW: I'm going to see GNR on Friday.

[LaParkaYourCar]

Some people are still trying to fight acknowledging the fact that the rumors about HHH's politics are true. But the droves of people that finally come around show that it's just to obvious now to ignore.

[Guest Brian]

If they show up bps. I'm going to give Duff a lot of shit next time I see him.