Batista...

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

Rico could come out to a knockoff of "You've Got Another Thing Coming" and that could even be his catchphrase...and possible signature move name...

 

being either a knockout martial arts move like a Yakuza Kick (like in LOTC's sig) or a reversal move into a power move (like The Chaos Theory)

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Not to mention all the 'old' talent are still hoggin up air time and there is no real growth in the WWF - just the appearance of growth - 'net fans' tend to get restless.

[Guest Mole]

I thought you would have at least tried to rebut with your point of view. I was wondering what you would say about my take on his "beating the shit and squashing people" monster heel gimmick that lasted all of two matches.

Nah, I don't feel like arguing with EVERYONE on the board because no one seems to agree with me. But whatever, I still like him, so that is all that matters. If you get what I'm saying.

 

Like I totally see what everyone is saying, I just think he has something. I like his style, and what he does. You gotta have your favorites, and he's one of mine, next to Booka, D'Lo, Angle, RVD, Eddie, and Jericho.

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

I actually like Batista to a point. yes he's getting the monster push just like Brock but...

 

A: Batista legitamately scares me, where as Brock is just fuckin goofy lookin

 

And B it gives Flair someone to cower behind while talking a lot of shit. I loved that with Sid/Arn/Luger and i'll love it now.

[Guest Ram]

I like Batista. He's got a good look.

 

It may take a month or two, but I think he'll come to his own in the ring and impress. That or nothing.

[Guest deadbeater]

Problem with Bats is the same with all the other hosses in the WWE: they are forced to plod about like grazing cattle and do power moves, even if they have the finesse tech of say Hurricane.

[Guest SP-1]

Know who has charisma? Sean F'ing O'haire. The guy has a grace in his motion and he has some good facial expressions too. I think he's talented and if given the chance can make it big in the future.

 

As for Bautista . . . I think he'll do fine and be entertaining if they don't Hossisize him. He looks like he can throw down technically and I hope that's the case. Time will tell.

[Guest AndrewTS]

By wanting "new talent" we mean to cut the deadwood at the top, push the midcarders to the main event, and push the undercarders and new guys to the midcard.

 

NOT to take some roidmonkey from OVW who was whacking people in the head with a metal box a few months prior, and feed the midcard to him to try to lodge him in a main event position, which won't work on Raw anyway.

 

Why is WWE cannibalizing itself that way?

[Guest BA_Baracus]

So far he's shown absolutely no talent.

 

He can't wrestle, he has no charisma, can't talk, his character is just yet another Goldberg rip-off...

 

...I want new good wrestlers pushed. Not some guy who's only talent is screaming loud.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Nothing wrong with pushing Batista, but there is no reason to give him a monster push in expense of other mid-carders that are much more over and have been in the company longer, and are quite frankly, better workers. Brock is over now, but it took Heyman's charisma to get him there. There are some guys on RAW that got over on their own, whatever they did, it worked, yet it seems everytime that happens, Vince needs to push them aside for his new pet project.

[Guest buffybeast]

Just a couple of other notes

 

I think he is more of a stud than a hoss, and Albert screams when he is in the ring does that mean he has charisma.

Albert screams as a way of selling his moves and his opponents offense. It's an old school way of selling.

[Guest jester]

Bautista certainly has a good look, but he's got the same boring moveset and he's doing the Brock monster heel push (except when facing someone they want half-heartedly protected, like Kane).

 

The problem is, there are people who aren't being pushed that the crowd reacts to. They are not being pushed. Instead, they want to try to get people to react to new wrestlers that spark no reaction. Doesn't it make more sense to work with the audience than against it?

[Guest geniusMoment]

Vince is going back to his 80's formula of pushing all of the big roided up freaks. He broke away from this when he pushed Bret then Shawn and finally Steve and then Rock in the top spot. Who said Brock was way over? The crowd is silent when he comes out, they edit in crowd noise, Brock doesn't pop ratings or produce buyrates to back up your argument. House shows with brock headlining draw dissapointing gates. I want someone who can wrestle a variety of styles and someone who will actually sell for his opponents in the top spot.

I realize everyone says to create new stars but I feel the best way to create a new star is to bring back the last big star who still has credibility in everyones eyes. I don't know if he will do it, but I say beg Cactus to come back for one last run starting at Rumble where he beats Hunter and finally loses to Benoit, Angle, Eddy at Wrestlemania, any of those three would get major rub

[Guest Brian]

WWE did financially better the quarter Brock was champion then the quarter prior. Brock sold very well for his opponents, much better than he should have given his gimmick. I've commended him for that since day one, when he sold and bumped his ass off for the Hardys and was working in his spots.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Who said Brock was way over? The crowd is silent when he comes out, they edit in crowd noise

I don't believe that, considering the live reports I read.

 

Brock was pretty much heatless from his debut up until Summerslam (five long months), but now he has no problems.

[Guest Mole]

Vince is going back to his 80's formula of pushing all of the big roided up freaks.  He broke away from this when he pushed Bret then Shawn and finally Steve and then Rock in the top spot.  Who said Brock was way over?  The crowd is silent when he comes out, they edit in crowd noise, Brock doesn't pop ratings or produce buyrates to back up your argument.  House shows with brock headlining draw dissapointing gates.   I want someone who can wrestle a variety of styles and someone who will actually sell for his opponents in the top spot.

I realize everyone says to create new stars but I feel the best way to create a new star is to bring back the last big star who still has credibility in everyones eyes.  I don't know if he will do it, but I say beg Cactus to come back for one last run starting at Rumble where he beats Hunter and finally loses to Benoit, Angle, Eddy at Wrestlemania, any of those three would get major rub

Yes, Brock does get monster pops. Did you watch Survivor Series? It is a lot harder to insert crowd pops into a live event (unless it is piped threw, even though his wasn't)

 

And Brock doesn't sell? What? If anything, Brock sells TOO much. He even sold for Rey when they fought.

 

Plus, Brock does have a moveset, we just haven't seen it yet. I know that sounds stupid, but if you are a former NCAA champion, I am sure you know a few 'wrestling' moves. But I could be wrong.

 

Bring back Mick? That will never happen, he is having a good time being an author and he has NOTHING to prove to anyone in the wrestling world. He gave his rub to Triple-Juice, which at the time was good.

 

You don't have to bring back wrestlers to give their rub. There are plenty of wrestlers on the roster to rub off to the midcarders.(you can't really say young because they aren't that young anymore) Taker, Triple-Juice, Steiner, Nash(even though I hate him, and he does suck but can still give some rub) and others I am too tired to think of.

[Guest jester]

Yes, Brock does get monster pops. Did you watch Survivor Series? It is a lot harder to insert crowd pops into a live event (unless it is piped threw, even though his wasn't)

 

And Brock doesn't sell? What? If anything, Brock sells TOO much. He even sold for Rey when they fought.

 

Plus, Brock does have a moveset, we just haven't seen it yet. I know that sounds stupid, but if you are a former NCAA champion, I am sure you know a few 'wrestling' moves. But I could be wrong.

Brock may have an amazing moveset, but if he doesn't use it, so what? That fabled SSP does not exist until it's done on a TV show or PPV.

 

We've been hearing about his amateur background and all that for a long time. It's time to show it, especially now that they're pushing him as a face.

[Guest Mole]

Brock may have an amazing moveset, but if he doesn't use it, so what? That fabled SSP does not exist until it's done on a TV show or PPV.  

 

We've been hearing about his amateur background and all that for a long time.  It's time to show it, especially now that they're pushing him as a face.

Umm, did you see what I said? I could be wrong. Besides, throwing around a 500lbs man is enough of a moveset for me.

 

But yes, he should have more moves. And I hope he does show his SSP. Will he? To be a top of the card, he is going have to do something more, in the SmarKs eyes, not Vinces.

[Guest jester]

Brock may have an amazing moveset, but if he doesn't use it, so what? That fabled SSP does not exist until it's done on a TV show or PPV.  

 

We've been hearing about his amateur background and all that for a long time.  It's time to show it, especially now that they're pushing him as a face.

Umm, did you see what I said? I could be wrong. Besides, throwing around a 500lbs man is enough of a moveset for me.

 

But yes, he should have more moves. And I hope he does show his SSP. Will he? To be a top of the card, he is going have to do something more, in the SmarKs eyes, not Vinces.

Yes, I saw what you said. You said "Brock does have a moveset, we just haven't seen it yet."

 

To which I said "Brock may have an amazing moveset, but if he doesn't use it, so what?"

 

My point is that until Brock, Bautista or anyone else supposedly harboring amazingly wrestling skills actually demonstrates them on WWE TV, they don't exist. I don't want to hear about potential, I want to see it.

[Guest Fook_Hing_Ho]

The thing is, they don't want Brock doing the SSP because they feel it's too dangerous a move for someone in the main event to use.

 

They let Kidman use it because, lets face it, besides for us Smarks, his absence due to injury is not going to be noticed. If Brock were to get injured, or injure his opponent using the SSP, it would leave a huge hole in the main event scene.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

The thing is, they don't want Brock doing the SSP because they feel it's too dangerous a move for someone in the main event to use.

 

They let Kidman use it because, lets face it, besides for us Smarks, his absence due to injury is not going to be noticed. If Brock were to get injured, or injure his opponent using the SSP, it would leave a huge hole in the main event scene.

In that case...

 

BOTCHED SSP ON HHH!

 

BOTCHED SSP ON HHH!

 

HHH OUT FOR 3 YEARS!

 

ALL THE CHOIRS OF ANGELS SING!

[Guest jester]

The thing is, they don't want Brock doing the SSP because they feel it's too dangerous a move for someone in the main event to use.

 

They let Kidman use it because, lets face it, besides for us Smarks, his absence due to injury is not going to be noticed. If Brock were to get injured, or injure his opponent using the SSP, it would leave a huge hole in the main event scene.

I think that's part of it. I also think that they won't allow it because it would really show up the currently level of main event talent.

 

Can HHH do an SSP? How about Undertaker? Big Show (HAHAHAHA)? HBK?

 

Could RVD? Ya, know I bet he could.

 

They let Brock do the SSP, audience expectations will be raised, and they'll probably have to change their entire main event picture. And we all know how willing they are to do that.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Can HHH do an SSP? How about Undertaker? Big Show (HAHAHAHA)? HBK?

 

Could RVD? Ya, know I bet he could.

RVD I definately think could do a SSP.

 

When he was in his prime, I bet Shawn could have done a Shooting Star Press if he tried.

 

When HHH was about 70 pounds less muscle, I think he MIGHT have been able to do it.

[Guest Mole]

Yeah, I just hope he does. Everyone knows that someday, he will bring it out in his moveset. When? My guess against Angle at WM.

[Guest Fook_Hing_Ho]

The thing is, as soon as he does it once, the fans will expect it every match.

 

And if Big Show, UT, or HHH ever do an SSP, I'll never bash any of them again.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Batista (at least when I've seen him), simply doesn't have the charisma of Brock or Goldberg, or the skills of Lesnar.

 

Lesnar had this aura about him, right from his first appearance that just made people pay attention to him (whether they liked him or not). Batista doesn't have it.

 

Everyone always compares Brock to Goldberg, but I've always felt that he was a more talented Sid. I predict big things from Lesnar in the future if he keeps his head on straight. Batista just seems like a generic hoss type, who will flounder around for a few years before going to the indys.

[Guest Mole]

They let Brock do the SSP, audience expectations will be raised, and they'll probably have to change their entire main event picture. And we all know how willing they are to do that.

Uh oh, WWE change their main event style? That would be a no-no. I mean, who wants to see some wrestling in a wrestling match. Not me. I'd rather see kick-punch-kick-punch-sleeperhold-kneebuster-punch.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Everyone always compares Brock to Goldberg, but I've always felt that he was a more talented Sid.

Does this mean he's gonna have promos where he says he's not a psycho, is the master and ruler of the world, and blinks a lot?

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Everyone always compares Brock to Goldberg, but I've always felt that he was a more talented Sid.

Does this mean he's gonna have promos where he says he's not a psycho, is the master and ruler of the world, and blinks a lot?

Nah... Brock seems to actually have mic skills.

 

Sid's interviews were great though.

[Guest El Satanico]

Anyone here seen any of Batista in OVW? That would be the only way to truly know if he has any actual talent.

 

Like someone else said someone like Batista could be a great wrestler, but it wouldn't matter because WWe likes their "big guys" to be slow and plodding on TV.

 

Not that I'm saying Batista is a great wrestler, but we don't know if he has talent or not just based on what he does on TV.