Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted December 2, 2002 If Notre Dame is picked over USC for the Orange Bowl it would be the biggest joke in college bowl history. USC is the superior team, I'd say their the 2nd best team behind Miami in the country. The argument that Notre Dame is a big draw isn't true, Oregon St. brought all the fans to the Fiesta Bowl. Plus major bowls will bring fans no matter what. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted December 2, 2002 There is no way Notre Dame gets an at large bid over USC after Saturday. I do think however they will get the other at large bid because the BCS will want Notre Dame and there is no direct games to keep them from hopping over Iowa, Georgia, or Texas. Iowa goes to the Rose Bowl as the Big 10 rep doesnt it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted December 2, 2002 Oh shit...According to a few things I've been reading Notre Dame might be picked over Iowa for the Rose Bowl. The Big 10 should pull out of the BCS if this happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted December 2, 2002 Hmm...I don't know about the Orange Bowl, Notre Dame shouldn't be anywhere near any of the major BCS Bowls after the shallacking they got on Saturday... I do know that Maryland is in the Peach Bowl..and they might play Auburn (eh..) or Tennessee (I like this matchup..)..Its also in the Georgia Dome, the same place where the Terps won the National Championship in Basketball earlier this year. GO TERPS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest hardyz1 Report post Posted December 2, 2002 As much as it pains me to say this, I agree with you guys. Notre Dame doesn't deserve to be in a BCS game. But, remember one thing, they have to be in the top 12 of the BCS to be eligible. They were 6 or 7 last week, and I think it's very possible that they fall to 13. But what bowl could they go to then? I'll look that up... OK, after some quick researching, it looks like they may be in the Gator Bowl, which is what I thought. I know they've played in the Independence Bowl before, but I don't think they'll fall that far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted December 2, 2002 I'm actually looking forward to a Maryland/Tennessee matchup. It should be a good one. Oh, and Arkansas will destroy Georgia this Saturday if there's any justice in this world. Fo sheez, Kotzenjunge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted December 2, 2002 Notre Dame will get it. I'd be surprised if they don't. The Bowl and TV will see Notre Dame as a biggeer draw even if it may not be true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JHawk Report post Posted December 2, 2002 Notre Dame has no business being picked over USC for anything after the beating they took Saturday. Of course, this is the NCAA, and hell if actualy ability factors into anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest KoR Fungus Report post Posted December 3, 2002 Sigh, Iowa got passed by USC in the most recent rankings. That means that USC is top four, and so they'll automatically get a BCS game invite. Iowa, on the other hand, could very likely be passed over for Notre Dame, which would obviously be complete bullshit since Iowa is a much better team and is ranked third in both polls. I'm hoping that since Iowa's Big Ten, they'll get invited to the Rose Bowl, but with the BCS, you just never know. #5 Virginia Tech getting passed over for #12 Notre Dame two years ago is still fresh in my mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2002 the latest is that 10-2 #8 Kansas State is begging the Orange Bowl to let them play and guaranteeing 25,000 fans KSU v. Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl? Uh huh.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted December 3, 2002 Why can't they just have 1-2 (Fiesta)-Miami-Ohio St. 3-4 (Sugar)-Georgia-USC 5-6 (Orange)-Iowa-WSU 7-8 (Rose)- Oklahoma-Kansas St. 9-10 (Gator) Texas Vs Norte Dame 11-12 (Capital One)- Michigan-Colorado 13-14 (Cotton Bowl)- Penn St-Florida Ya got 7 big games, No controversy...If they want...Move around 9-14 to best draws for TV and recieve the closest non-playoff playoff ya can have...if you wind up with two teams already played in one of the BCS bowls early in the season...So what? Another storyline to use. It can't fail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JHawk Report post Posted December 3, 2002 There's one flaw with your proposal, Choken. It makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted December 3, 2002 Well it doesn't appear that the NCAA is causing the problem. The problems appears to be the bowl organizers who seem to be less interested in deserving teams than they are interested in attendance and TV viewing. A simple solution...do away with At Large Bids and fill the BCS bowls based strictly on the BCS rankings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Gigante Killa Report post Posted December 3, 2002 If Notre Dame is picked over USC for the Orange Bowl it would be the biggest joke in college bowl history. USC is the superior team, I'd say their the 2nd best team behind Miami in the country. The argument that Notre Dame is a big draw isn't true, Oregon St. brought all the fans to the Fiesta Bowl. Plus major bowls will bring fans no matter what. The biggest joke was Nebraska being in the Championship game last year. This same thing also happened in 2000, when a 2-loss Notre Dame team went to the BCS over 1-loss Virginia Tech who were ranked 5th and it was Michael Vick's final college game, and they had a damn good team with a powerful defense. Same thing is gonna happen to Iowa this year. I hope the BCS is happy with getting more money by putting a BORING Notre Dame in their "select" bowls. I hope they also enjoy a mediocre Florida St. team, too. Hell, I'm rooting for Arkansas to upset Georgia, so there will be crappy football abound. Idiots... how I pray for an Arkansas-Notre Dame Orange bowl... there might not a 100 yards of offense in that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted December 3, 2002 Just hope Washington St. wins because if they don't than USC would end up in the Rose and say Iowa goes to the Rose Bowl, than the Orange would have an open spot, and guess who would get picked? All that really matters is the Fiesta Bowl. If Miami beat V.T. like their favored to do, than Notre Dame making a BCS game undeserving would be unfair but wouldn't affect the National Championship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChris Report post Posted December 3, 2002 Why would they be undeserving? If WSU loses to UCLA (as I expect them to), then Notre Dame would likely be ninth in the BCS, around the same level as #8 Kansas State. If they were to go in ahead of Iowa or USC, then it would be a huge travesty, I agree, but I don't see much of a difference between Notre Dame and Kansas State, as far as quality of play. If that happens, look for: Fiesta: Miami vs Ohio State Orange: Notre Dame vs Florida State Sugar: Oklahoma/Colorado vs Georgia/Arkansas Rose: USC vs Iowa Not bad, except for the Orange, but FSU being there makes it a stinker anyway. Wildcat may disagree, but ND and KSU is a tossup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Gigante Killa Report post Posted December 4, 2002 Just hope Washington St. wins because if they don't than USC would end up in the Rose and say Iowa goes to the Rose Bowl, than the Orange would have an open spot, and guess who would get picked? It's best if WSU loses... because USC, Iowa and Notre Dame would all get in... and that's fair. Is Gesser going to be able to play? If not, then WSU is dead. Granted, KSU would probably destroy Notre Dame with the way they're playing now... but with both teams having 2 losses, and Notre Dame's tough schedule... it would be fair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChris Report post Posted December 4, 2002 Notre Dame could be left out of any BCS bowl games -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ESPN.com news services After a conference call meeting Tuesday between league commissioners, bowl game executives and officials with the BCS, the Big Ten Conference announced that Iowa has secured a spot in a BCS bowl game. And what that means, although not announced by the Big Ten, is that if Washington State beats UCLA this Saturday, therefore securing a spot in the Rose Bowl, and Miami beats Virginia Tech to get into the national title game at the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl, that leaves Notre Dame out of any potential BCS bowl game this season. With Southern California being fourth in the latest BCS standings, if both WSU and Miami win this weekend, then the Trojans will be guaranteed an at-large spot in a BCS bowl. That leaves just one at-large spot left for the BCS bowl games, which are the Fiesta, Rose, FedEx Orange and Nokia Sugar bowls. Exact pairings for those game won't be known until after games this weekend. The meeting Tuesday secured that second at-large spot for 11-1 Iowa, which went through the Big Ten undefeated at 8-0. Ohio State also went through the Big Ten unbeaten at 8-0, and will take its 13-0 record to the Fiesta Bowl. With the two at-large berths taken by USC and Iowa, provided both WSU and Miami win this weekend, no at-large berth would be available for 10-2 Notre Dame. The Irish then would go to the Gator Bowl. If WSU were to lose to UCLA, then USC would take the Pacific-10's spot in the Rose Bowl, therefore freeing up an at-large berth that possibly could go to Notre Dame. In another more far-fetched scenario, Notre Dame could get a BCS berth if Miami loses and Georgia moves into the BCS title game. A Miami loss could bump USC from the top four in the BCS standings, which would mean they wouldn't be assured of a BCS bowl berth. The Sugar Bowl then might take Notre Dame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agent_Bond34 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2002 11-12 (Capital One)- Michigan-Colorado 13-14 (Cotton Bowl)- Penn St-Florida They can't have those games happen because Michigan and Florida will be playing in the Outback Bowl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted December 4, 2002 What about Texas. They're guaranteed to bring fans. The problem is the Orange would be Big 12 vs Big 12. Florida St. should play in the Orange, and the At large team should go to the Sugar to face the SEC champion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted December 4, 2002 Well...NOW they are but if they mandated that those ranked teams would go to that bowl...then they won't be able to accept bids...Of course then will come rumors that Florida St purposly lost the last game to play the Gator Bowl instead of the Capital 1 bowl to stay close to home. Also I forget to mention Each year they would rotate the importance of the game (as they do already). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted December 4, 2002 The ACC isn't aligned with the Citrus Bowl. The Big 10 vs Pac 10 will meet again in the Rose Bowl. The way it should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rabbi_wilson13 Report post Posted December 4, 2002 This is like last year: National Championship: I'm assuming Miami beats VaTech, though that isn't a gimme. Last year the championship was a joke because everyone knew Miami would crush Nebraska. Well guess what? Unless Clarett has the game of his life, Miami is going to crush OSU. Now you have the game I want to see, a Rose Bowl between Iowa and USC. This is last year's Oregon/Colorado, the game everyone wanted to see (though it ended up badly). The other big bowls were jokes, as Tennessee and LSU slaughtered their Big Ten opponents. Keep the Rose Bowl Big Ten/Pac-10 and get rid of this automatic bid crap. I wanna see the best 8 teams playing, not the best 6 teams, a crappy ACC champ and the Fighting Irish because they're the Fighting Irish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted December 5, 2002 Ohio St should be in the Fiesta Bowl. They won all their games, granted it wasn't pretty but Alabama back in '92 didn't impress many people, and they beat Miami. Like it or not. Barring an upset this weekend the BCS will decide a clear cut national champion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest hardyz1 Report post Posted December 5, 2002 I was watching PTI the other day and the President of the BCS said that the story about Iowa being guaranteed a BCS spot was not true. The Big Ten jumped the gun. They still should be in, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted December 6, 2002 I read the same thing. If Iowa is snubbed the Big 10 and to a less extent the Pac 10 will be pissed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest KoR Fungus Report post Posted December 7, 2002 Not to mention Iowa, who would then be playing Toledo in the Motor City Bowl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted December 8, 2002 The BCS did its job. Ohio St. vs Miami for the National Championship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted December 10, 2002 We won't ever be completly Statisfied because if we have a 16 team tourny...People complain that #17 is better then #13... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted December 11, 2002 There would be alot less bitching with a playoff system regardless. Besides those bitching about a team that couldn't make it into the top 16 would look silly and be ignored. How about we just do a 64 team tournament. Few people bitch about that in basketball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
