Raw Reaction

[Guest jester]

Well, I guess whatever prevented me from posting on this board last night effected everyone, otherwise that thread would be much longer with the bitching (maybe WWE hired someone to do a flood attack, knowing how we'd react to what they were up to).

 

This wonderful edition of Raw featured:

 

-the women's champ being shit on by a part-time referee with no crowd reaction and Scott Steiner

 

-Booker T and Goldust jobbing in a situation where their winning the belts would have been a step in the right direction

 

-another non-finish by Morley, just so Booker could job on his home turf, yet again

 

-another appearance of Stephanie on a show she's not supposed to be on. Does she go over Bischoff in her segment? Does a quad tear in the ring?

 

-Although Steiner never said so, JR indicated that Steiner signed with Smackdown. Sooo, which of the Smackdown six is going to greased up and bent over for Steiner?

 

-And of course, RVD jobs to the MOST IMPORTANT MAN IN WRESTLING EVER. And just to make sure he looks extra useless, HBK actually screwed HHH over with the calls a few times, and RVD STILL CAN'T WIN. HHH is starting to make that Jericho feud look even compared to his treatment of RVD.

 

All they need to do now is put their belt on a half-assed movie star. Why don't they switch their initials from WWE to WCW? It would solve their WWF problems, plus people would understand why they suck so much.

 

Venting over....for now. Anyone care to take their turn?

[Guest razazteca]

not to mention that the loudest pops in the show at Austin, Texas was for the tag team title match of Canadians vs Texans.

 

the bad timing between commercial breaks screwed up alot of things, whether or not the RNN segment was intentional it looked bad. Stevie Richards crawling around the ring before the commercial and after the break looked very weak. The Dave Goldberg squash win streak is not winning anybody over.

[Guest RenegadeX28]

RAW was ok, except for the fact that once again, HHH ruins the show, and will be getting the title back.

 

 

When they threw in the special ref stip, I thought either Austin, Steiner, or HBK would ref. HBK is the ref. I thought HHH was gonna lose. C'mon, HBK has the chance of a lifetime to screw him over. HBK teased us throughtout the match that it seemed HHH would lose. Then, at that last moment, I was like "please HBK, don't count the three!" Then, with a disgusted look on his face, the three was counted. I didn't know whether the look was for the angle, or for the fact he knew legions of fans already knew the outcome of the PPV match. Isn't it a given that by New Years Day, HHH will be champ. January 2002, he was nowhere to be seen, since he was injured. I am already dreading the PPV......

[Guest notJames]

I said my peace in the OAO thread. I won't devote any more time or energy into that abomination.

[Guest humongous2002]

WWE is killing RVD's heat, compared to a year ago when he was stuck in the Alliance he was getting deafening pops that even rivaled Austin and Rock, now it seems that the fans are going to stop caring for the guy that cant wint the fake world title, even with HBK's help he couldn't pin the Lame. His character has been mishandled, by showing the whole world his weak points like delivering a promo instead of showing the fans his strong points like Heyman did in ECW and early on in his WWF career.HGH is nothing but a locker room cancer and he is killing RAW little by little, Vince doesn't have the balls anymore to stop this nonsense, he is nothing but a shadow of the man he used to be. When the fans asked for new talent to be pushed we meant the ones that are already over like Book, RVD and Jericho, we don't meant useless slugs like Batista,fat samoans and Test, i know looks are important to make it in the WWE but also talent should be included.HBK being the champion is an insult to all the fans that waste their hard earned money for this promotion, and that's why we are getting turned off by this crap.I guess is time to switch the channel and watch anything else that's on besides RAW is Crap.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

If Triple H wins the belt back this month, well, that's just pathetic.

 

When Linda does Press Conferences from "The World" in NYC, can anyone go to them?

 

If So, some of us in that area need to go and ask question, and Not let Linda talk circles around us.

 

<Smark> What happen to building new stars?

 

<Linda> It's a Slow process and.....

 

<Smark> Don't give me that Crap! You had the opportunity to make Rob Van Dam a superstar on many occasions.

 

<Linda> It takes a special person to become a SuperStar and....

 

<Smark> You mean like your own Daughter Stehpanie and her Boyfriend Triple H who bomb ratings every week?

 

It would be great to cut that bitch off in mid sentence and rip her a new one.......

[Guest EricMM]

-And of course, RVD jobs to the MOST IMPORTANT MAN IN WRESTLING EVER. And just to make sure he looks extra useless, HBK actually screwed HHH over with the calls a few times, and RVD STILL CAN'T WIN. HHH is starting to make that Jericho feud look even compared to his treatment of RVD.

 

I slept through all of RAW, since I literally didn't get any sleep on sunday night.

 

I tried to watch it but I literally fell asleep with Bisch and HHH talking. I literally fell asleep during a HHH promo. Aren't you proud of me? I've lived the smark dream!

 

Anyways, to get to the point, how much did HBK try to help out RVD?

I don't understand why one would have a face ref, and cheat for the face, and yet have the heel go over. It just makes everyone involved look bad except the heel. But the last person who has to look good is HHH since he already has the best record in the company. By far. For years. Period.

[Guest razazteca]

lets see the HHH contenders:

 

1) Kane character killed by Katie Vick

 

2) RVD is now given the Jericho under push

 

3) Booker T and Jericho are being held in the tag team wars and are no threat to HHH

 

4) HBK is given the Ronnie Garvin title run and will disappear in a few weeks

 

5) Steiner is just there for WCW marks and cheap pop....useless

[Guest EricMM]

How is HHH supposed to be involved in any good matches if he doesn't have any competition. Even in 2000, we all knew in our heart that Rocky could easily beat the game, fuck, the Rock could beat anyone.

 

Now... Who the fuck do we cheer for?

[Guest DJ Jeff]

RAW was alright, except for that damn HHH winning. Here the WWE have the perfect chance to push RVD, and have him win the World Title at Armageddon. Instead, they choose to go with HHH vs. HBK for the title at Armageddon. Now, there's only one thing that can save this match, and that's if RVD argues that HHH hit him with a steel chair, and he should be the #1 Contender. From there, hopefully Morley will make it a Triple Threat match. If they don't do that, then I don't really know what to think. I mean, I want to see HHH vs. HBK again, but not when RVD had the chance to face the champ and win the title.

[Guest jester]

Anyways, to get to the point, how much did HBK try to help out RVD?

It wasn't so much about HBK helping RVD, as HBK screwing with HHH. For example, RVD countered the HHH sleeperhold with one of his own. While looking for the submission, HBK held on to the ropes, "accidentally" pushing it out of the reach of HHH. Also, he did a deliberate slow count. In order to get the joke over, RVD had to lie there a long time, close to what would have been a three count. Later, when RVD went for a pin on HHH, HBK counted very fast.

 

In other words, RVD became a tool to get a few jokes and the whole HBK/HHH feud over.

 

Way to use him, WWE.

[Guest humongous2002]

Anyways, to get to the point, how much did HBK try to help out RVD?

It wasn't so much about HBK helping RVD, as HBK screwing with HHH. For example, RVD countered the HHH sleeperhold with one of his own. While looking for the submission, HBK held on to the ropes, "accidentally" pushing it out of the reach of HHH. Also, he did a deliberate slow count. In order to get the joke over, RVD had to lie there a long time, close to what would have been a three count. Later, when RVD went for a pin on HHH, HBK counted very fast.

 

In other words, RVD became a tool to get a few jokes and the whole HBK/HHH feud over.

 

Way to use him, WWE.

RVD is not getting buried on live tv, he is being cremated. RVD looked so weak last night that eventually the fans will stop caring for him, that HHH is one evil sick mastermind bastard.

[Guest papacita]

The booking for some of things on Raw was just fucked up. First off, the whole HBK ref situation was just plain stupid because not only did it make RVD look weak, but Bischoff said earlier in the night that HBK would be stripped of the title if he didn't call the match down the middle...and he obviously didn't call it down the middle. That, plus they've kinda got the face/heel roles screwed up in the Michaels/HHH feud (and why is Flair even out there anymore??). Morely and his restarts are too inconsistent. I get the sense that they're gonna align him with Christian and Jericho sooner or later, which kinda explains for him not restarting after the belt shots, but if that's the case, what was the point of him restarting last week's match in the first place?

[Guest Vern Gagne]

-Although Steiner never said so, JR indicated that Steiner signed with Smackdown. Sooo, which of the Smackdown six is going to greased up and bent over for Steiner?

If Steiner signs with Smackdown my guess would be Edge would go over to Raw. I still think Steiner will end up on Raw, last night was just an excuse to have Stephanie on TV.

[Guest Brian]

They'll find a way to get him on RAW. Patented SWERVE~!

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

They'll find a way to get him on RAW. Patented SWERVE~!

AHahah.. Remember when the Undertaker was a #1 Draft Pick?

 

Now the same show has both of those. =b

 

Edge going to Raw also sounds like another good idea, since they need a way to give him a singles career OR pair him up with Christian again since there's no way he can hang with the hosses on SD.

 

 

The plus side is Edge is over enough, especially with marks, that he could be singles pushed on Raw into HHH-Land and zap away that bizarro Face Heat that Hunter gets for spitting water and whatnot.

 

The down side is that he risks becoming early-2001 Jericho, and we'll have blonde hair conspiracies running rampant through here again. But Edge is home-grown talent, so I imagine Vince WILL push him all the way through no matter how hard HHH tries to hold him down.

[Guest buffybeast]

-the women's champ being shit on by a part-time referee with no crowd reaction and Scott Steiner

 

You know, as much of a Jackie fan as I am, I didn't even understand or agree with that match. Why in the blue fire do you have your champ LOSE CLEANLY in a non-title match to a, sorry Jackie, nobody? Victoria should have one that match dirty. Then Jackie could have beat Vicky up and left cheering while leaving her in the ring with Stevie, setting up Steiner.

 

Damn, is this shit that hard for them to figure out?

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I don't get why they sacrificed Hurricane to Batista. Hurricane has a great deal of marketable attributes (cape, mask, t-shirts) and has no need to be squashed like that. What would he have done that a regular jobber wouldn't do?

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

What annoys me about the whole situation with the Hurricane is that when Kane did the run-in at the end, they didn't mention the Kane/Hurricane team ONCE, nor did Kane even convey that he wasn't just attacking Batista, he was saving his buddy also.

 

I'm telling you, that continuity guy they hired was the smartest person in the company for that month they had him.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Well, I guess whatever prevented me from posting on this board last night effected everyone, otherwise that thread would be much longer with the bitching

I think the Smackboard crashing for an hour had more to do with it.

[Guest jester]

I don't get why they sacrificed Hurricane to Batista. Hurricane has a great deal of marketable attributes (cape, mask, t-shirts) and has no need to be squashed like that. What would he have done that a regular jobber wouldn't do?

JR more or less explained why as Hurricane crawled into the ring. Did you hear him mention something to the effect of Hurricane needing more size?

 

I'm surprised he didn't hand him a roid needle right then and there.

[Guest Mole]

-the women's champ being shit on by a part-time referee with no crowd reaction and Scott Steiner

 

You know, as much of a Jackie fan as I am, I didn't even understand or agree with that match. Why in the blue fire do you have your champ LOSE CLEANLY in a non-title match to a, sorry Jackie, nobody? Victoria should have one that match dirty. Then Jackie could have beat Vicky up and left cheering while leaving her in the ring with Stevie, setting up Steiner.

 

Damn, is this shit that hard for them to figure out?

Jackie won because she was in her home state. You know, people who their home state need to go over people.

 

Oh wait, Booker T, who got one of the biggest pops of the night, is from Texas, and he didn't win. WHAT THE FUCK?!?!? I know why, because Vince is a retarted retard.

[Guest Human Fly]

I could maybe understand it, maybe, if Hurricane was doing nothing on Smackdown. But he was in the thick of the CW division. So they bring him over and win the tag titles with Kane which did nothing for Hurricane as they tried to get Kane put over as a Main Eventer. So now they have him jobbing in under a minute to Batista after jobbing to Test. Honestly what is the point? I know not everyone can be a Main Eventer, but how about using some people where they ae strong? It boggles my mind.

 

Also about Chief Morley, no one is buying this because this guy goes from being a jobber the last two years to the 2nd most powerful (on camera) person in the Raw brand. If Val Venis came up to Bischoff and said "let me be your chief of staff" why would he even consider it?

[Guest LaParkaMarka]

I could maybe understand it, maybe, if Hurricane was doing nothing on Smackdown. But he was in the thick of the CW division. So they bring him over and win the tag titles with Kane which did nothing for Hurricane as they tried to get Kane put over as a Main Eventer. So now they have him jobbing in under a minute to Batista after jobbing to Test. Honestly what is the point? I know not everyone can be a Main Eventer, but how about using some people where they ae strong? It boggles my mind.

The whole handling of Hurricane makes absolutely no sense at all. None. The guy was pulling big pops while he was a heel, was essentially buried and then brought back and still got decent pops, had a nice little cruiser run and then was sent over to Raw. Theoretically, this is so the guy can be elevated into the midcard, as Raw didn't exactly have a ton at the time (unless Bubba counts as 10, that fat bastard). So instead of elevating him with the tag title run, he is completely forgotten about and serves only as a way to job the title without losing any of Kane's precious heat. They wouldn't even let him wrestle in the frigging TLC match just so Kane could go over everyone. And then they fucking bury Kane in possibly the worst angle ever. WTF???? And now all Hurricane does is job to useless, unover slugs like Batista and Test while his pops just fade away. Yeah. That's just super. WWE IS INSANE. There is no other explanation. If a younger guy gets consistent pops, why not push him? Of course, they're making the same mistake with RVD, so I suppose it's just WWE being consistent. But it's still incredibly lame.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Well, being a guy living in humble old Britain, I checked the Raw results in the morning. And laughed my arse off. I go to college and what do I see? Someone has graffitied the words "The Game" in bright white chalk all over the campus. I bow down to God, and laugh at his scheming ways. Its obvious that he's a cerebral assassin, you know.

[Guest TheAnvil]

I think that Steiner will end up on RAW, it's the only logical place to use him. Smackdown has enough main-event talent, and has a pretty solid roster top to bottom with the cruisers. Even IF Austin comes back to RAW, he'll be face. HHH will be heel. Steiner needs to be there as a heel, and you can use the ME-of-the-week that the WWE tries to shove on us as the other face, and maintain balance. I too feel the screw-job coming on.

 

Jackie shouldn't have a job. Period. She sucks, has always sucked, and will always suck. What point is there in her getting a clean win over the women's champ??? Way to kill Victoria's heat. I think that the Steiner segment was a big set-up for Victoria becoming Steiner's freak, taking Midaja's spot. I think it's a perfect role for her. When she's not wrestling, she can be ringside for Steiner, and still be a great women's champ.

[Guest Ravenbomb]

3H's even burying Orton.

Orton starts to do something mildly entertaining

JR: HOLD ON, RANDY, WE'VE GOT BIGGER NEWS!!!

Cut to 3H walking

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Who's tea did Helms piss in to be in the situation that he's in right now?

[Guest Celtic Jobber]

After last night's RAW, I've given up all hope for WWE. I hope they go out of business, HHH has a career-ending injury and Linda dumps Vince for Funaki all in the same week. May WWE's carcass rot in the bowels of Hell! Fuck WHHHWE!

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

Who's tea did Helms piss in to be in the situation that he's in right now?

Don't forget, Helms was part of that Katie Vick angle. Remember when he had those "Great" & "Funny" skits and the crowd sat on their hands in silence?

 

It proved Helms & Kane weren't over, and poor Triple H had to work hard and carry the angle.