Why did you think RVD was more than side story?

[Guest Downhome]

Charisma, promos, and all of that comes before in ring work, period. RVD simply is on the other end of the spectrum, and that hurts him.

 

You have still failed to explain The Undertaker's two month title reign with that one.

What exactly do I need to explain? He is looked at by many as an actual threat, a champion, and he can actually cut a promo that sounds as if it would come from someone important, instead of just a fan.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

HHH looks bad on Raw because his style does not mesh well with the RAW4: RVD, Jericho, Booker T, Kane.

To even imply those four use the same style is hilarious.

 

This is why I've always thought Booker T had a better chance at the main event scene than RVD. He can better flow into the SCSA/Rock/HHH/Taker/Kane/Brock type of brawl main eventing you're going to find here. SmackDown needs to let this Big Show crap pass through the system and move their six good guys up, and headline the more technical style that appeared during the Bret period.

 

However, acrobatics will probably never be a WWE main event theme. I think that was pretty much Downhome's whole original point in this thread. WWE doesn't have enough guys who could compete with RVD at what he does on his level, and Vince is too set in his ways to allow this Cruiserweight-style technique on his Main Events.

 

Of the four guys you listed, I think Booker T is the only guy who, in terms of his ringwork, can realistically be put in the Raw main event. Jericho has become a cieling bump, and desperately needs to be traded to SmackDown and become Benoit's new tag partner so Angle can go face.

[Guest Brian]

Benoit won't need another partner. He has the Guerreros. Six man tags, Eddy/Benoit vs. Rey/Angle, eight mans with Knoble and Kidman. So swank.

[Guest razazteca]

the four guys I listed are the top of the midcard who have one way or another jobbed to HHH and of course god-uh went over all in the Elimation Chamber. HBK as champion is a moot point.

[Guest JHawk]

Well, to bottom line all of this:

 

Raw does worse than RVD by allowing HHH anywhere near the title at this point.

 

They'll never know for sure how RVD will work at the top if they don't give it a shot (and book it somewhat right).

 

If RVD or Booker aren't given the ball on that show pronto, they'll be out of business before they figure it out.

[Guest AndrewTS]

HHH looks bad on Raw because his style does not mesh well with the RAW4: RVD, Jericho, Booker T, Kane.

To even imply those four use the same style is hilarious.

 

This is why I've always thought Booker T had a better chance at the main event scene than RVD. He can better flow into the SCSA/Rock/HHH/Taker/Kane/Brock type of brawl main eventing you're going to find here. SmackDown needs to let this Big Show crap pass through the system and move their six good guys up, and headline the more technical style that appeared during the Bret period.

 

However, acrobatics will probably never be a WWE main event theme. I think that was pretty much Downhome's whole original point in this thread. WWE doesn't have enough guys who could compete with RVD at what he does on his level, and Vince is too set in his ways to allow this Cruiserweight-style technique on his Main Events.

 

Of the four guys you listed, I think Booker T is the only guy who, in terms of his ringwork, can realistically be put in the Raw main event. Jericho has become a cieling bump, and desperately needs to be traded to SmackDown and become Benoit's new tag partner so Angle can go face.

Booker's over, he's got a WWE-ish style, a goofy Rock-ish comedy move, catchphrases--there's no plausible reason not to push him. RVD I can see the bullshit reasons, but when it comes to Booker, it's either age, race, or being from WCW that screws HIM over.

[Guest El Gigante Killa]

Are you telling me that HHH gives a better promo than RVD?  The Undertaker?  Kane?

Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. I may enjoy RVD's high like tone more than the other guys some of the time, but for the most part, I do not hear him as a world champion at all. Now, don't get me wrong...

 

...the majority of my saying this is me playing the devils advocate, so just bare with me.

 

HHH may bore people by saying the same thing sometimes, but him and the others guys do seem a bit more intimidating. RVD sounds like some "dude" just off of the street, and that my friends is not what WWE is really looking for. I can't understand why they wouldn't push him anyhow, since he IS (but it's fading, slowly but surely), one of the most over performers right now.

The bold part is where you counter your own argument. HHH is better on the mic because he's more intimidating... Why's that? The ONLY reason is because he's been booked stronger than everyone for 95% of the shows in the last 3 years. HHH's whole CHARACTER is that he wins all the time. Of course, he'll sound more intimidating. Why don't we give RVD a few months worth of being booked nearly like that... and see how different things are?

 

I'm not saying RVD is the answer... WWE has incredible mic workers like Angle and Jericho that are far better than HHH in mic skills, and every single aspect of wrestling entertainment even in HHH's heyday. I don't put Rob with them yet... since you're right that he hasn't proven that he can talk, and I have never been a fan of his pointless flip-flop and tiresome spots . But, even the RVD naysayers admit that Rob deserves a chance due to the crowd support he has. It's gotten to the point where Raw has nothing to lose.. so just pull the trigger on RVD, and hope for the best.

[Guest Downhome]

The bold part is where you counter your own argument. HHH is better on the mic because he's more intimidating... Why's that? The ONLY reason is because he's been booked stronger than everyone for 95% of the shows in the last 3 years. HHH's whole CHARACTER is that he wins all the time. Of course, he'll sound more intimidating. Why don't we give RVD a few months worth of being booked nearly like that... and see how different things are?

How did I counter my argument. HHH does bore certain people, but that doesn't mean he does so to the majority. HHH LOOKS like a champion, and he most certainly can SOUND like one, even you people must admit he did so "back in the day", and he STILL can cut a promo that seems as if it means something.

 

I am not talking about looks, although that helps. RVD just doesn't look, nor sound, intimidating enough to go up against other guys, not even Jericho can he stand up to him in a promo setting.

 

Give RVD time and it can change perhaps, we'll just wait and see.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

This is where i call, again, for MOST of the Raw Roster, The Smackdown Six, plus Brock, Knoble , Kidman and Kanyon to get together with JR and Paul Heyman, pull a NOAH, and get the F out, so to speak