B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2002 The Cubs and Dodgers have reached a tentative agreement for a trade. The Cubs would ship C Todd Hundley to the Dodgers in exchange for 1B Eric Karros and 2B Mark Grudzilanek. It seems as if the Cubs are actually TRYING to become a contender this year, with the hiring of Dusty Baker, this trade, the possible singing of I-Rod, Maddux, and the signing of Mike Remlinger. Also, for us Southside fans, the White Sox traded CP Keith Foulke and C Mark Johnson to the A's for CP Billy Koch. FINALLY! Mark Johnson is gone. REJOICE! Josh Paul will at last get his playing time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted December 4, 2002 They're going after Maddux??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted December 4, 2002 Hmm They are still the Cubs.. At least they are trying this year, it looks like its their "Were gonna try once a decade" year.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted December 4, 2002 Getting Remlinger is a good move. I'll miss him for sure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChris Report post Posted December 4, 2002 Did the Tribune sell the team when no one was looking? Because I'm having a hard time believing it's them spending all this money. Of course, if they hold true to recent form, they'll *almost* sign Maddux, *almost* sign I-Rod, then throw up their hands and say, "Well, we tried." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2002 Good point Chris. The Cubs are serious about getting the Doctor, as I like to call Maddux. They went out and signed one of his old personal catchers in Paul Baco. Not a bad move. There is a point when you're so good you're above everyone else in the rotation. That point is when you get your own personal catcher. God I love The Doctor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted December 5, 2002 The Cubs and Dodgers have reached a tentative agreement for a trade. The Cubs would ship C Todd Hundley to the Dodgers in exchange for 1B Eric Karros and 2B Mark Grudzilanek. How can anyone be excited by this? Getting rid of Hundley was a good move, since he's been trading off that one good year for far too long. However, the Dodgers were begging someone to take Karros and Grudzilanek off their hands, and the Cubs stepped up to play sucker. Karros had better hope Wrigley gives his career a second win, or he's DONE. Grudzilanek is a serviceable second baseman, but what happened to Bobby Hill? Grudzy isn't getting any younger, and it's not like he was a world-beater to begin with. Basically, the Cubs traded one scrub for two, and added about $7 million to their payroll this year. Brilliant... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted December 5, 2002 Doesn't Maddux want to play close to Las Vegas? The Cubs overpaid for Remlinger. 10.5 for 3 years is too much for a middle reliever. This is the Cubs so count on Prior getting hurt, and Sosa going down with a knee injury on opening day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted December 5, 2002 Fuckin' Cubs. I love 'em but they suck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted December 5, 2002 How can anyone be excited by this? Getting rid of Hundley was a good move, since he's been trading off that one good year for far too long. However, the Dodgers were begging someone to take Karros and Grudzilanek off their hands, and the Cubs stepped up to play sucker. Karros had better hope Wrigley gives his career a second win, or he's DONE. Grudzilanek is a serviceable second baseman, but what happened to Bobby Hill? Grudzy isn't getting any younger, and it's not like he was a world-beater to begin with. Hill's still around, and should start this year. The Cubs also have Heep Soo Choi coming up fast. So basically they traded for two players they don't need. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest geniusMoment Report post Posted December 5, 2002 Okay so the central division in the national league will once again be a laughing stock. St. Louis has morris, williams, and simontacci in their rotation and williams is injury prone and simontacci is an unproven second year player Milwaukee just sucks in every way possible Pittsburgh will be worse this year thanks to some horrible contracts and might even trade Giles. Kip wells showed in the last half of last year he isn't that good Houston with bagpipes and biggio aging and Shane reynolds gone this team will not be a contender this year unless Hernandez pitches well, even though Oswalt rocks Cincinnati is actually pretty interesting. Their rotation of Graves, Dessens, Dempster, Haynes and one of their prospects such as Reitsma or Basham has the chance to be good. Graves is a perfect starter, did someone say Derrick Lowe. Their bullpen with Williamson back closing, sullivan, White and Riedling is one of the best in baseball. If Griffey stays healthy with Casey, dunn, Kearns and boone in the middle of their lineup it could be a good year, not to mention the fact they are moving into a new stadium Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted December 5, 2002 Hill's still around, and should start this year. The Cubs also have Heep Soo Choi coming up fast. So basically they traded for two players they don't need. I forgot about Choi, actually, but you're absolutely right. For some reason, people in Chicago seem to be excited about this deal, despite the Cubs taking on two hefty contracts for aging veterans who won't be any better than their young players. I watched the Orioles make moves like that a few years ago, and you can see how well it turned out for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ant_7000 Report post Posted December 5, 2002 Im thinking the same way about the Cubs deal they got aging scrubs for the price of one. But they are trying to get I-Rod but who knows if he ever going to get back to his old self. Its all about the CUBS this CUBS that and im from Chicago and they force damn Cubs down your throat, but the White Sox (my team) are after thought and they win more consistently than the Cubs. ChiSOx made a good deal by trading Foulke for Koch because Foulke wasn't getting the job done anymore and plus he wanted to be a starter. Mark Johnson is finally gone so Josh Paul or Miguel Olivo will get a crack at starting catcher, and now we need someone to take Frank Thomas by Saturday and get a 2nd Starter and we're settled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted December 6, 2002 Houston will be a contender. They've got one of the best young staffs in baseball, Ward has a full year of experience, and Bags should be healthy next season. If they can avoid a bad start than they should battle the Cardnials for the Central title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites