Statements From Piper And Percy Pringle On Tonight

[Guest J*ingus]

TC: Bob is actually a decent guy, and has more of a clue than some people give him credit for. (Although popups still suck, hard.)

 

420: well, nobody "let" me, I kinda snuck my own peak.

[Guest dreamer420]

right on. I think that is pretty cool Jingus.

[Guest Kagato Otaku]

Why is everyone so shocked about this?

 

Am I the only guy that remembers Piper marching into The Powers That Be's office back in the WCW days and telling Russo's hands that he's "the guy that killed Owen Hart", then destroying the set with a baseball bat?

 

If it's an angle, it's been done before, and it's still tasteless a few years later. If it's a shoot, they should have expected it, since the same damn thing's been done before with all the particulars involved.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I think the fact that Russo never even got a chance to speak when he came to the ring is a good sign that, as all reports indicate, he wasn't supposed to be there.

 

I give a thumbs up to Russo for giving Piper one shot about it (calling it wrong in more words than that) in his promo and then moving on.

[Guest RedJed]

Why is everyone so shocked about this?

 

Am I the only guy that remembers Piper marching into The Powers That Be's office back in the WCW days and telling Russo's hands that he's "the guy that killed Owen Hart", then destroying the set with a baseball bat?

 

If it's an angle, it's been done before, and it's still tasteless a few years later. If it's a shoot, they should have expected it, since the same damn thing's been done before with all the particulars involved.

I remember him smashing up the set, but I don't remember him saying anything about Owen at all during that. I'm sure if he did, it was another shoot by him, and probably was around the same time Russo and him had that conforntation backstage that he refers to in his book.

 

If he did mention Owen back then, nobody ever brought that up anywhere at that time, not to mention nobody shit on Piper about it either, not like now.

 

BTW, Jingus..........if you talk to Dave (Mortimer) tell him Jed from Mankato says to get his ass over to this board, or at least update his website! I've been trying to contact him for awhile now, haven't spoken to him in more than a few years. Lost touch with him when he went on a hiatus from the business back in the late 90s.

[Guest J*ingus]

BTW, Jingus..........if you talk to Dave (Mortimer) tell him Jed from Mankato says to get his ass over to this board, or at least update his website! I've been trying to contact him for awhile now, haven't spoken to him in more than a few years. Lost touch with him when he went on a hiatus from the business back in the late 90s.

I might see him tomorrow, I'll tell him if I do. (And when you talk to him, tell him that he must be a LOT heavier than he looks, he damn near broke my toe last night!)

[The Dames 0]

PLUG ME!!!!

 

Dames

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I remember him smashing up the set, but I don't remember him saying anything about Owen at all during that. I'm sure if he did, it was another shoot by him, and probably was around the same time Russo and him had that conforntation backstage that he refers to in his book.

http://slashwrestling.com/nitro/991220.html

RODDY PIPER (with TV-14-DLS ratings box) makes his way to the ring at five to the hour. We take a look backstage to see Bret Hart watching on a monitor - and in another room, Goldberg is also watching on another monitor. "Cut the music - my name is Roddy Piper and I sold out. Yeah, yeah I know I know I know I know - to the slimeballs backstage - hey listen guys, I've done a lot of things in my time, man - I whipped Mr. T, I knocked out Snuka with a coconut, I kicked Cyndi Lauper, I started Piper's Pit, I fought in your town, I fought in your town, in your town, in your town, in your town, I'm the real deal. I am not a phony! And I don't dig this phony dog and pony act that's goin' on right now. Vince Russo, the new writer for WCW - you wanna write in all this clown baloney and the greatest athletes I've seen back there, and this guy does this, and this guy does that, and this guy beats this guy - hey, these people don't want to see that, man - they want to see guys fight, they want to see guys go into it - they don't wanna see that BS, man... And you know...Goldberg, Bill Goldberg, you're one of the greatest pieces of talent that I've seen in a long time, and I'm sorry - I'm sorry, Goldberg, but you know what, no, don't 'Roddy' me, I don't deserve it, no - umm, you know what? Okay, I'll tell you what, bottom line - 'Goldberg' is right, man. Come on, come on! Tell them you don't want a bunch of phonies! Tell them you want real deal fighters! I'll tell you something, the WCW has treated me better than any organisation ever that I've been with, but - boys - I'm a real fighter, man. And if you want me to do this dog and pony cartoon baloney - I QUIT. This is the last time - listen, hang on - this is the last time I'm gonna do anything for anyone - any - if you ever want a real deal fighter, man, you give me a call, but if you want somethin' um - to come down here and run around like an idiot, you - it ain't me - it ain't me, (?) - you know, I'll tell you something, man, please well you know what to do, just do me one solid - I've busted my body up for you for years, man, I'm asking you one thing - right now, you're at home, grab your kid, give 'em a big hug - and don't hit 'em - kiss 'em, man - tell 'em how much you love 'em - you know what, Christmas is not a holiday, it's someone's birthday. I spent my whole life in this sport - I quit. That's it." Piper's son runs out and they ... WALK! At the top of the ramp is GOLDBERG. We pause so Piper's son can say "I love you, Daddy." "You know what, Roddy? I stayed up all last night

X.X

3.5 trying to make sense of this crap. Unfortunately I didn't come up to any conclusion. You know throughout the years, when I've watched professional wrestling, there've been a couple guys I looked up to. There've been a couple guys that I have respect for in this business - and I considered you one of the, until last night. You were faced with a decision, and as far as I'm concerned, you made the wrong decision. But - I don't know where to go with it, man - I don't know where to go with it. All I can tell you is...is that you made the wrong decision - you sold out - and I will NEVER do that." "Sir, you're a great p- you're a great piece of talent, and uh - I know what you can do - I wish you all the best - I'm sorry, man - I'm sorry, but please don't be a phony. I'm not a phony-" "Don't you worry, I'll carry that torch, brother - I'll carry it to the end of the earth - 'til the day I die - I'll carry it." BRET HART: "Hey Goldberg! Piper! Don't pin this on me! Enough, enough, enough! What's the point? There is no point! No point with blaming him, no point blaming anybody else - your heat's not with him, your heat's with the office! Nobody knows better than I do what it's like to get screwed over by the office! You think I want to walk around with this piece of trash around my waist knowing that I didn't beat you soundly for it? Far as I'm concerned, this here World championship belt is vacant! 'cause I don't want anything to do with it - I'll tell you what I'm gonna do...I'm gonna go back there right now, with the office, tell 'em to take this belt, and shove it right up their ass!" We follow Hart backstage, then cut back. "Everybody makes mistakes, brother - I understand." Goldberg leaves, and we follow Piper and his son

 

(...)

 

Backstage, we hear a knocking on the office door - check that, it's actually the WALL - Piper knocks it down from behind - revealing that this is all just a set - then ranting about people who weren't phonies - I hear Adrian Adonis, Gorilla Monsoon, and Owen Hart's name dropped. Piper attempts to smash in a television and fails - oh well. We take a break while he's still smashing stuff up good.

[Guest RedJed]

BTW, Jingus..........if you talk to Dave (Mortimer) tell him Jed from Mankato says to get his ass over to this board, or at least update his website! I've been trying to contact him for awhile now, haven't spoken to him in more than a few years. Lost touch with him when he went on a hiatus from the business back in the late 90s.

I might see him tomorrow, I'll tell him if I do. (And when you talk to him, tell him that he must be a LOT heavier than he looks, he damn near broke my toe last night!)

Speaking more of Dave, I was just rummaging through some old papers tonight and found these sheets he wrote dated like 91. They're just basically a long list of wrestlers real names. I remember back when he gave these to me I freaked the fuck out just because I was a 13 year old mark then and I actually thought that, for example, Hulk Hogans real name was.........Hulk Hogan lol. Anyway mention that to him too if you get a chance, he might get a kick out of knowing I still have these.

[Guest RedJed]

I remember him smashing up the set, but I don't remember him saying anything about Owen at all during that. I'm sure if he did, it was another shoot by him, and probably was around the same time Russo and him had that conforntation backstage that he refers to in his book.

http://slashwrestling.com/nitro/991220.html

RODDY PIPER (with TV-14-DLS ratings box) makes his way to the ring at five to the hour. We take a look backstage to see Bret Hart watching on a monitor - and in another room, Goldberg is also watching on another monitor. "Cut the music - my name is Roddy Piper and I sold out. Yeah, yeah I know I know I know I know - to the slimeballs backstage - hey listen guys, I've done a lot of things in my time, man - I whipped Mr. T, I knocked out Snuka with a coconut, I kicked Cyndi Lauper, I started Piper's Pit, I fought in your town, I fought in your town, in your town, in your town, in your town, I'm the real deal. I am not a phony! And I don't dig this phony dog and pony act that's goin' on right now. Vince Russo, the new writer for WCW - you wanna write in all this clown baloney and the greatest athletes I've seen back there, and this guy does this, and this guy does that, and this guy beats this guy - hey, these people don't want to see that, man - they want to see guys fight, they want to see guys go into it - they don't wanna see that BS, man... And you know...Goldberg, Bill Goldberg, you're one of the greatest pieces of talent that I've seen in a long time, and I'm sorry - I'm sorry, Goldberg, but you know what, no, don't 'Roddy' me, I don't deserve it, no - umm, you know what? Okay, I'll tell you what, bottom line - 'Goldberg' is right, man. Come on, come on! Tell them you don't want a bunch of phonies! Tell them you want real deal fighters! I'll tell you something, the WCW has treated me better than any organisation ever that I've been with, but - boys - I'm a real fighter, man. And if you want me to do this dog and pony cartoon baloney - I QUIT. This is the last time - listen, hang on - this is the last time I'm gonna do anything for anyone - any - if you ever want a real deal fighter, man, you give me a call, but if you want somethin' um - to come down here and run around like an idiot, you - it ain't me - it ain't me, (?) - you know, I'll tell you something, man, please well you know what to do, just do me one solid - I've busted my body up for you for years, man, I'm asking you one thing - right now, you're at home, grab your kid, give 'em a big hug - and don't hit 'em - kiss 'em, man - tell 'em how much you love 'em - you know what, Christmas is not a holiday, it's someone's birthday. I spent my whole life in this sport - I quit. That's it." Piper's son runs out and they ... WALK! At the top of the ramp is GOLDBERG. We pause so Piper's son can say "I love you, Daddy." "You know what, Roddy? I stayed up all last night

X.X

3.5 trying to make sense of this crap. Unfortunately I didn't come up to any conclusion. You know throughout the years, when I've watched professional wrestling, there've been a couple guys I looked up to. There've been a couple guys that I have respect for in this business - and I considered you one of the, until last night. You were faced with a decision, and as far as I'm concerned, you made the wrong decision. But - I don't know where to go with it, man - I don't know where to go with it. All I can tell you is...is that you made the wrong decision - you sold out - and I will NEVER do that." "Sir, you're a great p- you're a great piece of talent, and uh - I know what you can do - I wish you all the best - I'm sorry, man - I'm sorry, but please don't be a phony. I'm not a phony-" "Don't you worry, I'll carry that torch, brother - I'll carry it to the end of the earth - 'til the day I die - I'll carry it." BRET HART: "Hey Goldberg! Piper! Don't pin this on me! Enough, enough, enough! What's the point? There is no point! No point with blaming him, no point blaming anybody else - your heat's not with him, your heat's with the office! Nobody knows better than I do what it's like to get screwed over by the office! You think I want to walk around with this piece of trash around my waist knowing that I didn't beat you soundly for it? Far as I'm concerned, this here World championship belt is vacant! 'cause I don't want anything to do with it - I'll tell you what I'm gonna do...I'm gonna go back there right now, with the office, tell 'em to take this belt, and shove it right up their ass!" We follow Hart backstage, then cut back. "Everybody makes mistakes, brother - I understand." Goldberg leaves, and we follow Piper and his son

 

(...)

 

Backstage, we hear a knocking on the office door - check that, it's actually the WALL - Piper knocks it down from behind - revealing that this is all just a set - then ranting about people who weren't phonies - I hear Adrian Adonis, Gorilla Monsoon, and Owen Hart's name dropped. Piper attempts to smash in a television and fails - oh well. We take a break while he's still smashing stuff up good.

Well at least he didn't say Russo killed him, no wonder I didn't remember it.

[Guest JHawk]

I don't remember it because I've never seen the episode. But notice there's no transcript of what Piper actually said about Owen, so who knows?

[Guest Kagato Otaku]

Dang, guys who do actual *research*. Whoops.

 

Slam! Wrestling, Roddy Piper chat, 11/21/2000

 

Bubba: Did you like Vince Russo's booking style?

 

Rowdy Roddy Piper: Let me tell you about Vince Russo. I used to know Russo when he was 100 pounds heavier in another business. The first time Vince Russo took power and Roddy was in his dressing room, he tried his first power play with Roddy. He sent in Ed Ferrera with a sheet to my dressing room, with an interview on it. It had a lot of profanity on it. I told him I don't do profanity. Profanity is gage for lack of talent. I said to Ed, 'Are you guys pretty thick skinned?' He told me nothing I could say could bother them. And asked me what I was going to say. I told him 'You and Vince were writing for McMahon the last year, right?' Ed said, cockily, 'Yes'. I said, then you're the two bastards who killed Owen Hart, right? Two minutes later Busch and Russo were in my dressing room. I can get your attention. Thank you.

 

Misrembered the Owen references and thought he said the "killed Owen" comment during the "Powers That Be" angle on-air instead of this article.

[Guest Kagato Otaku]

I don't remember it because I've never seen the episode. But notice there's no transcript of what Piper actually said about Owen, so who knows?

 

I'll comb thru my Nitro tape and find out what he actually said. Give me a few minutes.

[Guest Kagato Otaku]

CRZ's Nitro report is pretty accruate. Piper breaks the PTB's set and busts some of their stuff, and mentions some of the non phoney-baloney wrestlers who've died - Adonis, Monsoon, and Owen.

 

Nothing implicating Russo on-air.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

I saw the script.

Cool.

 

How was the show originally going to open ?

 

What twenty minute segment did they cut to allow the Piper nonsense to take place ?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I would guess the last minute cutting of the Lynn/Siaki match due to injury didn't hurt.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

Presumably the final script didn't include the Lynn/Siaki match though.

 

Still, Jingus will be able to tell us either way.

[Guest RedJed]

It was probably just the Russo promo lined up first, and then they changed it up real quick and had him do it after the first match instead.

[Guest J*ingus]

Nailed it in one. It was basically what they had anyway, just with the Piper stuff crammed in at the last second.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

But what did they leave out ?

[Guest J*ingus]

Nothing, as far as I can tell. It's not like I've got a copy sitting here next to me, it was a quick glance two days ago. They probably just shaved some time off of a couple of the matches.

[Guest RedJed]

But what did they leave out ?

I don't see why you would think they would leave something out, like he said they probably just cut a few minutes out of a few matches, possibly the ME and opener.

[Guest B-X]

Current/Former TNA'ers who know me by name: Bob Ryder

 

Dude, I promised Bob Ryder a box of chocolate filled doughnuts one night on WCW Live!

 

He still sends me e-mails every once in a while. He's a hungry man, thats Bob.