OVW to workers: "No ECW for you!"

[Guest godthedog]

i can understand cornette not wanting his guys to pick up any bad habits, but this is an act of supreme retardation. any match, good or bad, can teach you something, whether it's what to do or what not to do. if i were to go to a film school and the administration said to me, "hey, you're gonna have to throw away those ed wood tapes you have, cause we can't let you have any bad influences," i'd give them the finger and leave. anybody in ovw should already know the difference between a good match & a bad match, all they really need to learn is HOW to make a match good. if there's guys there who can't identify a bad match, they don't belong there. and frankly, if cornette doesn't have enough respect for them to think that they know the difference between a good match & a bad match, he doesn't belong there either.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Heheh.

 

Cornette: "Ok, ya see, that right there, was a ****-up on Sabu's part. Oh, look, now he's trying it again! I DON'T EVER WANT TO SEE ANY OF YOU DO THAT!!"

[Guest Goodear]

Hell, it wasn't as though New Jack was the only SMWer to pass through ECW either. Like, now that I think about it, didn't something like half the people in SMW didn't go through ECW at some point?

[Guest Loss4Words]

Brawling based on intensity and a heated rivalry and brawling for the sake of popping the crowd are two different things. When done correctly, a bloody, violent brawl is probably the most effective way to blow off a long-standing feud.

 

Tommy Dreamer always hit everyone with garbage cans, so Tommy Dreamer either hates everyone equally or he's wrestling a masturbatory style and taking tons of fundamental shortcuts. THAT'S the type of thing that Cornette should shy away from showing his wrestlers. Making a chairshot mean something can draw huge money and lead to a great feud. Doing chairshots gratuitously increases the odds of injury and raises fan expectations a little higher than they have any right to be.

 

A brawl should not be something that amazes the crowd because of the actual spots, it should amaze the crowd because these wrestlers HATE each other and the intensity is unreal.

 

In other words, the wrestlers should be learning to take CALCULATED risks, not just risks because they aren't fundamentally sound enough to lay out a match without those spots.

 

But in all honestly, this whole thing is Much Ado About Nothing. The WWE doesn't care how talented you are in the ring (unless you're over, at which point your workrate is always a point of contention), they care what you look like and that's it. So while I admire Cornette for at least making a concentrated effort to educate the wrestlers, I hope he realizes his efforts are all for naught when the Hollywood writers get a hold of the homegrown talent and go against everything they learned in OVW.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Tommy Dreamer always hit everyone with garbage cans, so Tommy Dreamer either hates everyone equally or he's wrestling a masturbatory style and taking tons of fundamental shortcuts. THAT'S the type of thing that Cornette should shy away from showing his wrestlers. Making a chairshot mean something can draw huge money and lead to a great feud. Doing chairshots gratuitously increases the odds of injury and raises fan expectations a little higher than they have any right to be.

I don't know if that's a fair judgement.

 

Dreamer really only went all out in his matches with: Cactus Jack, Brian Lee, Raven, Justin Credible, Lance Storm, The Dudley Boyz, and CW Anderson.

 

He only went over the top in big time feuds, other then that he'd still fight hardcore, but it wasn't as much.

 

I can see where you're coming from...but Tommy saved his more viloent stuff for the feuds that were worth a damn, not his random matches against say Angel, Chetti, or even Corino.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Oh, so I must have missed that "blood rivalry" between Simond Dimond and Tommy, eh?

 

Dreamer did his generic brawling because it was just about all he could do, and he did it against everyone. It was a novelty act that got stale quickly, and that's because he exausted it long after the Raven feud.

[Guest Brian]

Geez, looking back, Dreamer improved a bundle getting on the indy circuit.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

So I heard. I was never a big fan of Dreamer's to begin with, though.

[Guest NoCalMike]

I guess Cornette would prefer that his guys get all bulked up to where they get injured from simply walking across the ring and pulling a muscle, or to where their bones get so brittle that they have something wrong with them forever. Wrestler-to-wrestler, far more WWE injuries occur than ECW.....Of course if you have guys constantly doing highspots there could be an injury, however instead of ECW, why doesn't cornette pick out particular matches and disect them and point out the good and the bad, oh wait I forgot, Jim cornette hates ECW and Paul Heyman and is bitter and jealous, sorry. Cornette just wants to put a blanket over ECW whether it truly is the shittier parts of the show or the pure genious that he is blantantly overlooking. What a prick.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Tommy Dreamer always hit everyone with garbage cans, so Tommy Dreamer either hates everyone equally or he's wrestling a masturbatory style and taking tons of fundamental shortcuts. THAT'S the type of thing that Cornette should shy away from showing his wrestlers.

OH YEAH!?

 

WELL WHAT ABOUT THAT TENNIS RACKET

 

IT"S HARDCORE BABY!

 

 

 

 

[Guest RickyChosyu]

"I guess Cornette would prefer that his guys get all bulked up to where they get injured from simply walking across the ring and pulling a muscle, or to where their bones get so brittle that they have something wrong with them forever."

 

That's how they get noticed. Cornette seems pretty naive, but not to the point that he's going to lie to the guys and tell them to stay away from steroids protect their health.

 

"Wrestler-to-wrestler, far more WWE injuries occur than ECW....."

 

You sure about that? For one thing, ECW's roster was often far smaller, and for another, there plenty of guys who worked injurred. Just because most of the roster was wrestling doesn't mean they should have been doing so.

 

"Cornette just wants to put a blanket over ECW whether it truly is the shittier parts of the show or the pure genious that he is blantantly overlooking. What a prick."

 

Oh yeah, Heyman the Super Genius who's now re-hashing the same lesbian nonsense that he booked seven years ago? The guy who was too "caught up trying to manage the company financially" to put together a competant product? When exactly was Heyman's "genius" on display, when he convinced his boys to keep working for no pay or when he tried to push Justin Credible as the future of the wrestling business?

 

The fact that people can still watch Smackdown and still call him the savior of wreslting is beyond me.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Ricky, you gave me 2 examples of the bad parts of ECW, which I agree with you on, however there have been a lot of good stuff as well. I never claimed EVERYTHING in ECW was great or even good, but you seem to think everything in it was bad. All I said was cornette, because of his own bias against ECW(heyman most likely) is just taking a stupid blanket-esque action towards everything the federation has done because he doesn't like high spots....

[Guest RickyChosyu]

"Ricky, you gave me 2 examples of the bad parts of ECW, which I agree with you on, however there have been a lot of good stuff as well. I never claimed EVERYTHING in ECW was great or even good, but you seem to think everything in it was bad."

 

I think it was pretty far off from "genius" in any way, shape, or form, and that a whole lot of the hype around Heyman as a booker is far from accurate.

 

"All I said was cornette, because of his own bias against ECW(heyman most likely) is just taking a stupid blanket-esque action towards everything the federation has done because he doesn't like high spots...."

 

Did it occur to you that he wants to hold off on teaching the youngsters high spots before they learn the fundimentals? Hate to sound cynical, but in today's wrestling enviroment, it would seem most young guys would rather learn the ten most creative ways to hit a flying head scissors rather than learning how to actually work a match. That was the kind of thing routinely exhibited in ECW and it's the kind of thing that newer guys should avoid. But then, based on that logic, I think they should avoid watching both Raw and Smackdown for the very same reasons.

 

After all, if they're going to be working the attrocious "WWE Style" anyway, there probably isn't a point to even developing fundimentals. I guess you could call it either noble or stubborn on Cornette's part to hang on to the facets of wrestling that loves so much, but either way it's futile in the end.