Guest EricMM Report post Posted December 7, 2002 I mean seriously. I could tick off all the problems that WCW had when they tanked. I could talk about unover people hogging the main event spotlight. I could talk about the real workers lagging at the bottom of the card. I could talk about pushes being based on the book and not the fan reaction, and the book based around politics. I could talk about shitty joke champs, unover people looking for some sort of recognition pop. Someone tell me why WWE went with it's competitions failing gameplan right after they being the competition! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FeArHaVoC Report post Posted December 7, 2002 Doesn't help that Vince hired all the Bookers, writers, Road Agents, Trainers, Politicans, and Wrestlers that were running and ruinning WcW at the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted December 7, 2002 I remember when the look and feel of Raw changed. I commented how the CG nameplaques, the font used in onscreen graphics, and even the new set with those retarded lightning bolt things on the side just screamed like a reject from the WCW House of Set Design. Everyone told me to get lost and that it looked cool. Just because it reminds you of Nitro doesn't mean it's Nitro. Hahahahhaah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted December 7, 2002 If some non-wrestler/celeb wins the WWE title, then this company is now WCW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted December 7, 2002 They need to still give Nash the belt. Likely the Kliq Championship of the World. Oh, it will happen. They just need to keep Nash from injuring himself so quickly. If he's healed in time for the Rumble, expect to see Booker, Jericho, and the like soaring out of the ring thanks to his mighty big boot, then going on to win the title at Mania or something like that. In the meantime, Vince is already Ted Turner, paying for Nash to sit on his ass during his therapy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OSIcon Report post Posted December 7, 2002 Doesn't help that Vince hired all the Bookers, writers, Road Agents, Trainers, Politicans, and Wrestlers that were running and ruinning WcW at the time. That's a pretty ridiculous claim. It is silly to say that current road agents like Arn Anderson and Fit Finley had anything at all to do with WCW's demise. Terry Taylor booked there, but hardly did anything that could be seen as "ruining the company" and was far form the most offensive booker they had. When Johnny Ace had a big part in the booking process (from late 2000 to its death), WCW television was generaly better then what the death is doing now. Not to mention the company was on death row by the time Ace really became a factor. The only other WCW guy I can think of is Bischoff and he is just an on air talent. Just found it kind of dumb and unwarrented to imply that the same guys who killed WCW were now in the WWF and doing the same thing. It's pretty off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest humongous2002 Report post Posted December 7, 2002 How about Nash? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted December 7, 2002 Some Non-wrestler already holds the RAW title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DJ Jeff Report post Posted December 7, 2002 Well, HBK is the World Champion and the Big Show is the WWE Champion. I think I've made my point right there. Regardless, I think that the WWE will get better eventually, and it's turning point could be sometime in 2003. Then again, that could just be me remaining hopeful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted December 7, 2002 Some Non-wrestler already holds the RAW title. you could also argue that a non-wrestler holds the SD title, too... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bongoo Butzwana Report post Posted December 8, 2002 no way WWE is not wcw because they dont have the best wrestler goldberg golberg always won and i think hhh and him would have a gruling affair that would be a ****** star match Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BoboBrazil Report post Posted December 8, 2002 The only thing that killed WCW was Time Warner being bought by AOL. If that merger never went through then WCW would still be alive. It is no coincidence that AOL/Time Warner has been posting record losses since merging. AOL ruins everything they touch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted December 8, 2002 ageing wrestlers past their prime in the Main Event Check announcers are becoming the worst part of the show check company having to answer to stockholders and Wallstreet investors check invest money on a NASCAR sponser racing team check Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted December 8, 2002 ageing wrestlers past their prime in the Main Event Check announcers are becoming the worst part of the show check company having to answer to stockholders and Wallstreet investors check invest money on a NASCAR sponser racing team check Kliq member(s) with the belt. Check. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mad Dog Report post Posted December 8, 2002 WCW in it's dying days was light years ahead of where WCW was right now. At least WCW was making new stars when it died. In one of SK's rant this week he seems to think that the WWF has gone past WCW and is now channeling AWA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2002 Well, despite Paul Heymen running ECW into bankruptcy he came back and has some pretty good things with Smackdown. Well except for Big Show as the Undisputed Champion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mad Dog Report post Posted December 8, 2002 Heyman is slowly but surely booking Smackdown into the ground. Sooner or later people are going to get tired of the same 5 guys wrestling each other and sooner or later they'll run out of ways to make their matches seem fresh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest deadbeater Report post Posted December 8, 2002 It could be worse. They could do the unthinkable and fire Molly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted December 8, 2002 WCW in it's dying days was light years ahead of where WCW was right now. At least WCW was making new stars when it died. In one of SK's rant this week he seems to think that the WWF has gone past WCW and is now channeling AWA. I said that too, before his rant and before RD's column on wrestlecrap. Get ready for Raw in a big pink room. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BoboBrazil Report post Posted December 8, 2002 Yep, WCW was building alot of new stars at the end. They built up Lance Storm, Booker T, Shane Helms, and some others. They gave Booker T clean wins over Scott Steiner and Goldberg on Nitro. Of course they still pushed crap like Luger, Buff, Animal, and Rick Steiner too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mad Dog Report post Posted December 8, 2002 Luger and Buff did get squashed by O'Haire and Palumbo in about 30 seconds at the last PPV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2002 How much say does Heyman get in the booking when the day is done? Just look at how many times we've heard "Heyman was pushing for so and so, but the idea was shot down" From what it looks like to me Heyman's good ideas never make it off the launching pad so really it's unfair to say he's what's making Smackdown go down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Tino Standard Report post Posted December 8, 2002 WWE has had a couple of bad fiscal quarters, but by no means is the company anywhere near going out of business. There is no bigger wrestling company to buy them out like the WWF did to WCW. Sure, WWE might be showing a lot of the same tendancies of the old WCW, but they aren't on the brink of death...yet. Another thing to keep in mind: this is Vince McMahon's company. McMahon has the luck of the Irish or something. Just when you think he might be teetering on the brink of total disaster, he stumbles into a way out and he's stronger than before. The company literally was on the brink of extinction before a ridiculous chain of events that started with the MSG Incident led the company to a comeback so strong, they now own a wrestling monopoly. I think this will all continue to get worse before it gets better. But trust me, it WILL get better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest creativename Report post Posted December 8, 2002 How much say does Heyman get in the booking when the day is done? Just look at how many times we've heard "Heyman was pushing for so and so, but the idea was shot down" From what it looks like to me Heyman's good ideas never make it off the launching pad so really it's unfair to say he's what's making Smackdown go down. Exactly. Heyman is not a genius or anything of the sort, but next to these other clowns in management, he might as well be a wrestling deity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
