Can't make up their minds

[Secret Agent 0]

Now I'm probably opening myself up like a hollywood whore for flames here, but i truly wish to know some thoughts, and or opinons on this question I have.

 

Basically what i want to know is why does everyone always love someone who is gone from the WWE/F, but hates it when the same person comes back?

 

When Triple H tore his quad... Alright stop laughing. It wasn't that funny. Ok maybe so but Nash's was worse. Anyways When Tripple H was out of action I saw so many post of people saying the WWE/F would be a lot better once HHH is back. Now since his return almost a year ago, he is clamoured as the worst thing since Stephanie was handed a pen and paper.

 

Lawler. When he quit, everyone hated on Heymen's commentary and begged for Jerry's return to the table next to good Ol' JR. It finally happened and now everyone says he is one of the worst things about the WWE.

 

Now Austin. People said he was getting sloppy and acted as if he didn't care anymore before he finally walked out the door. Now his return is obvious. But what will the reaction be from that? the Stone ColDeprived love Austin for 2 weeks, then the HHHaters convert to Austin shirt burnings and what not?

 

Im just curious to know what kind of prediction we have for this.

[Guest El Satanico]

They said that about HHH, because before he got hurt he was having good matches and was over.

 

Now he's having terrible matches and only his entrance is over.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Now I'm probably opening myself up like a hollywood whore for flames here, but i truly wish to know some thoughts, and or opinons on this question I have.

 

Basically what i want to know is why does everyone always love someone who is gone from the WWE/F, but hates it when the same person comes back?

 

When Triple H tore his quad... Alright stop laughing. It wasn't that funny. Ok maybe so but Nash's was worse. Anyways When Tripple H was out of action I saw so many post of people saying the WWE/F would be a lot better once HHH is back. Now since his return almost a year ago, he is clamoured as the worst thing since Stephanie was handed a pen and paper.

 

Lawler. When he quit, everyone hated on Heymen's commentary and begged for Jerry's return to the table next to good Ol' JR. It finally happened and now everyone says he is one of the worst things about the WWE.

 

Now Austin. People said he was getting sloppy and acted as if he didn't care anymore before he finally walked out the door. Now his return is obvious. But what will the reaction be from that? the Stone ColDeprived love Austin for 2 weeks, then the HHHaters convert to Austin shirt burnings and what not?

 

Im just curious to know what kind of prediction we have for this.

HHH didn't suck then, and it was only just starting to become apparent he was pulling BS politics. NO ONE HERE for damn sure wanted Lawler back, and we loved Heyman's commentary.

 

I have no real opinion about Austin right now. As long as he doesn't fuck things up, he can come back.

[Guest Mad Dog]

It's pretty much the same mentality as when a person dies.

 

There was this guy in high school who everyone hated then he died and he became some saint. My friend and I actually got into trouble b/c we pointed out to several people how they used to always talk about what an asshole he was.

[Guest HartFan86]

I never got the Heyman issue with people complaining about him....I enjoyed his commentary in the WWF in 2001.

[Guest AndrewTS]

I never got the Heyman issue with people complaining about him....I enjoyed his commentary in the WWF in 2001.

Ditto. He *gasp* put over the wrestlers, made witty comments, and helped explain psychology and the story of the match.

 

For instance, No Mercy 2001:

The Christian/Edge ladder match, for instance--he put over Christian as being the more resourceful one, as Christian was clearly seeming to try to outsmart Edge, and sucker him into various predicaments. He also shilled the Dudleys as only he could in their match vs. Show and Tajiri--although put Show and Tajiri over as well--oddly, Show seemed to be really trying that night, was a rather fun match.

 

If it'd had been King, he'd still be cleaning himself up and gushing about the Torrie/Stacey lingerie match earlier in the night.

[Guest Madmartigan21]

Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

 

The grass is always greener on the other side.

 

I think those two cliches are appopriate here.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Triple H wrestles the same. Same spots. Same sequences. Same outcomes. Bottom line is, just like "marks" "smarks" are fickle too. That's the easiest way I can explain it.

 

If something isn't constantly wrong, then we wouldn't have a need for this message forum, now would we? So, sometimes things get said to spark conversation. Sometimes the shit that is thrown at the wall sticks. That's just how it is.

[Guest IB2BLACK]

People are like that, they love to build you up, but then they love to tear you down. Imagine if RVD won the title, i guarantee within weeks, people would turn on him. Just like Angle last year. People wanted as champ, but when he got it, people started to criticize him.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I think "There is no such thing as a simple wish" is more appropriate.

 

A lot of people wanted Jericho as champ - but no one wanted the title run Jericho had after Vengeance.

 

It's like the monkey paw eps. in the simpsons... Sometimes the turkey is just dry.

 

People who want something obviously want it done right and done to the best of the WWF's abilities - so when something they want happens, and is done half-assed, it's just as good as if they didn't do it at all.

[Guest godthedog]

Basically what i want to know is why does everyone always love someone who is gone from the WWE/F, but hates it when the same person comes back?

 

it depends on the case. ultimately, we all want our television to be good. that's all that matters. when people who contribute to the good television go away, we become sad. when those people come back and aren't contributing anymore, we become more sad. when they contribute again, we're happy. notice that everybody clamored for a year for benoit to come back, and when he came back we were all happy? and we're still happy that he's back, and there was no backlash whatsoever? this is because benoit continues to contribute to good television.

 

When Triple H tore his quad... Alright stop laughing. It wasn't that funny. Ok maybe so but Nash's was worse. Anyways When Tripple H was out of action I saw so many post of people saying the WWE/F would be a lot better once HHH is back. Now since his return almost a year ago, he is clamoured as the worst thing since Stephanie was handed a pen and paper.

cause at the time he left, he was contributing to good television. he was good. he tore his quad in the best raw tag match in 4 years. when he returned, he stopped contributing to it, and now he sucks. it has nothing to do with our fickleness & everything to do with his ability.

 

Lawler. When he quit, everyone hated on Heymen's commentary and begged for Jerry's return to the table next to good Ol' JR. It finally happened and now everyone says he is one of the worst things about the WWE.

i'll admit i jumped on this bandwagon when he first left, as heyman's style is an acquired taste. but after a couple months, it was one of the best things the fed had going for it. the chemistry was great, paul actually paid attention to the match, it was all very nice. in paul's last months on commentary, i can't think of a single example of anyone saying he sucks and they wished lawler was back.

 

Now Austin. People said he was getting sloppy and acted as if he didn't care anymore before he finally walked out the door. Now his return is obvious. But what will the reaction be from that? the Stone ColDeprived love Austin for 2 weeks, then the HHHaters convert to Austin shirt burnings and what not?

it depends on if he's in top form when he comes back. if he is, then he makes the television good and we all rejoice. if not, we turn on him cause he's not doing what he should be.

[Guest creativename]

Anyways When Tripple H was out of action I saw so many post of people saying the WWE/F would be a lot better once HHH is back. Now since his return almost a year ago, he is clamoured as the worst thing since Stephanie was handed a pen and paper.

Sorry, but that's just revisionist history.

 

I don't know about this board, but on every board I frequented at the time the seeds of HHHate were definitely there already. People resented the "Beautiful Day" videos heavily, and also knew that HHH was banging Steph. Knowing the history of the Clique, and in fact the importance of politics in wrestling throughout its history, LOTS of people were leery of his return.

 

As for Heyman, yes it's true a lot of people didn't like Heyman. I think much of that though was his screechy voice, more than his actual commentating. But Lawler is actually even more annoying now than Heyman was, by far. So it's more of an after-the-fact people changing their minds kind of deal. Actually, it would probably be best if they just brought in someone entirely new (note: It is understood that this person shouldn't suck. However the WWE seems to fail to grasp this concept when bringing in "new" things, then they complain how the fans don't like the "new" stuff).

 

Now Austin. People said he was getting sloppy and acted as if he didn't care anymore before he finally walked out the door. Now his return is obvious. But what will the reaction be from that? the Stone ColDeprived love Austin for 2 weeks, then the HHHaters convert to Austin shirt burnings and what not?

 

I was ecstatic when Austin left. I was like "finally, the glass ceiling is gone". Sadly, it only became worse. Now I wouldn't mind his return because 1) it would be a mark-out moment, 2) it is hoped he would counter-act HHH's politics, and 3) he would help business. There is nothing hypocritical or illogical about this.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

I guess it's because most of us are fairly idealistic about how these things will work, I'm hoping Austin comes back because in my little fantasy world the break he's had means he's going to come back as the all bumping, working god he was in 2001 and not the lazy unmotivated guy from early 2002, if he comes back unmotivated I'll turn on him no doubt

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I think Austin was disliked when he left, and he'll be disliked when he comes back.

 

People conveniently forget that TERRIBLE match with Taker at Backlash (and yes, Taker is Taker, but it takes two to tango) and that the punchpunchkickkickspinebusterrefbumpfinisher main event "style" was made for him.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

I think Austin was disliked when he left, and he'll be disliked when he comes back.

 

People conveniently forget that TERRIBLE match with Taker at Backlash (and yes, Taker is Taker, but it takes two to tango) and that the punchpunchkickkickspinebusterrefbumpfinisher main event "style" was made for him.

To be fair to Austin that match was after his first walk out and I think he'd lost all intrest by then

[Guest buffybeast]

Lawler. When he quit, everyone hated on Heymen's commentary and begged for Jerry's return to the table next to good Ol' JR. It finally happened and now everyone says he is one of the worst things about the WWE.

 

Someone mentioned that Heyman as an announcer is an acquired taste. I agree. At first I missed Lawler and hated Heyman. But then as time passed, I grew to appreciate Heyman's style. I was at first excited when it was announced that Lawler would return. But after about 10 seconds of his commentary, I wanted him gone. He sucks, plain and simple.

[Guest iamsherm]

I can't speak for everyone else here, but I wanted Lawler back because of the way he left the company. If I recall, Stacy was let go, but he left too just to defend her and then the bitch left him?

 

C'mon, like him or not, you gotta feel for the guy after that.

 

Plus he's had his share of moments too. I know I can't be the only one that flipped out when he stepped up and saved JR from Tazz.

[Guest WhenDanSaysJump]

Plus he's had his share of moments too.  I know I can't be the only one that flipped out when he stepped up and saved JR from Tazz.

 

I think the biggest detriment to Lawler's announcing was that he stopped being a shithead heel and instead became JR's bestest pal of all time ever.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

To be fair to Austin that match was after his first walk out and I think he'd lost all intrest by then

You think he's going to having a cakewalk when he comes back?

 

He knows he has heat, he knows they have huge expectations for him, he knows business has sunk even further than since he left, and so he knows that shit's going to hit the fan if his return doesn't pull the company out of "Worst in 5 years" levels of ratings.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Well I pretty much can't say anything new.

 

HHH was good before he left. I was clamoring for his return because I figured he'd be good when he came back. I gave him a chance in January and the first of Febuary passing it off as ring rust. But good god! Nobody has 11 month ring rust!

 

And Austin. Yeah I want him back. When he left he was horrible because he didn't want to be doing this. He didn't want to be wrestling with the people he was wrestling or with the storylines that were being put forth.

I think however when he comes back it'll be because he wants to come back. And if he's on SD! he'll go straight for the good workers and put on great matches.

 

And the reason people complain when they get something they want his simply the WWE never does it right. Jericho and Angle win the titles for the first time. Yay! Wait wait.......we wanted them to hold them dominantly and be main eventer. We didn't want them opening shows and cheating in every conceivable way to beat a jobber.

This isn't f'n christmas. It isn't the thought that counts!

[Guest Loss4Words]

The WWE has only even halfway tried to truly elevate three guys since HHH was put in main events in 1999 -- Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho and Brock Lesnar. And they were afraid to go all the way with any of the three so all three didn't go to their full potential. Angle getting the belt in 2000 was too soon and he was miscast in 2001 and blamed for lack of interest despite Austin not appearing on TV as the ex-champ and him only holding the belt two weeks. Jericho was the breakout star of 2000 who wasn't allowed to breakout in 2000. They gave him a stop-start push in the Spring of 2001 that ended up getting killed when Benoit got injured and by the time they finally did push him, he was so different from what the fans originally got into and had already been false started so many times that the fans didn't buy him on top. The fact that he was jobbing in every non-title match and rarely main eventing or receiving much TV time certainly didn't help his cause. He was the WWF World champion, the WCW World Champion, he beat Steve Austin and the Rock in one night and he headlined a Wrestlemania where he actually followed Hulk Hogan v The Rock. And he was STILL a midcarder through no fault of his own. As for Lesnar, they moved the belt off of him too soon after building him up as unbeatable so now he's seen as just another wrestler. He steamrolled through everyone, but as soon as he won the title, it took him two months to get past the Undertaker and then the Big Show fell into the title picture. Sad, because all had potential to be something more than they got the chance to be.

[Guest Anglesault]

People are like that, they love to build you up, but then they love to tear you down. Imagine if RVD won the title, i guarantee within weeks, people would turn on him. Just like Angle last year. People wanted as champ, but when he got it, people started to criticize him.

Because he got it under the wrong circumstances and he wasn't really all that over.

[Guest Trivia247]

you build up anyones return hell Slap on a U2 song to it and people will cheer. they will be happy to see him. most of the time they don't take back over the wrestling company and go lazy with necrophilla, that is HHH exclusive.

[Guest El Satanico]

I can't speak for everyone else here, but I wanted Lawler back because of the way he left the company. If I recall, Stacy was let go, but he left too just to defend her and then the bitch left him?

 

C'mon, like him or not, you gotta feel for the guy after that.

Why should we feel sorry for Lawler? Vince didn't force Lawler out. Jerry Lawler left under his own free will.

 

I refuse to pity a man over a decision he wasn't forced to make.

[Guest razazteca]

before the HHH injury there was Austin, Rock, Jericho, Benoit......today its just HHH and Jericho.

 

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