RVD to host Armageddon party at the WORLD

[Guest GameCop]

Ok, WTF?

 

Damn HHH and WWE to hell. WWE is going out business by 2004, mark my words. They can't nor are they willing to elevate new stars; fans will grow weary of the same guys on top, and will flock elsewhere, leaving WWE in the doldrums of nonexistence.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

We have an official thread for this.

 

It's called the official RVD isn't on the ppv thread.

 

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[Guest El Satanico]

Well it takes time to make new stars...

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I might as well turn this thread into a different discussion.

 

We'll call it the RVD effect.

 

Subtitle: How RVD proved that only WWE created stars get pushed.

 

Back at invasion RVD got more over than the entire roster within moments of his match beginning. Since then he has been hotshotted into the "Main Event" picture a few times while never given any consideration of keeping him there. That doesn't mean WWE won't try to make a quick buck off of his poularity by using him when business drops, or to advertise house shows.

 

Basically RVD got himself to a level where the WWE spends a lot of time and money to get others too. And they wasted it. Imagine if Brock had been NEARLY that over when they started pushing him.

 

Is there any other reason the WWE blew it with RVD than he isn't a WWE guy? You can't blame talent...because Big Show is champion, HHH is getting pushed HARDER as he gets worse, Hogan and Taker never had any talent...but were always "Top" guys. Blame mic skills if you must...but HBK and HHH have proven to have NONE too.

 

RVD got popular, fans wanted him at the top. They didn't get it. They got more Kliq instead. Now he's at the World.

[Guest El Satanico]

That's not true bps...It simply takes time to make new stars.

 

We have great hope that RVD will one day turn into a new star, but you simply can't rush the star making process and expect overnight succes.

[Guest oldschoolwrestling]

He's been in the business a few years now, Brock hasn't. With his crazy style, he can get injured at any time and then they will have missed their golden opportunity. Brock has years left if he wants them. If he's getting the pops and business is in the shitter, now is the perfect time for RVD to get a trial run.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I refuse to buy that RVD is injury prone when he has only had one major injury in his career. Hell...HHH had that many this YEAR.

 

I'll buy that he can injure others. But hey...this ain't ballet.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Had a crazy theory about why RVD isn't on this PPV...

 

Maybe they're testing RVD's drawing PPV. Since this is the first PPV without RVD on the card at all, they want to see if RVD as a part of the card affects buyrate.

 

Probably not what WWE is thinking, but that's my theory.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Even if that were the case they wouldn't even get the #s back for a few months.

 

By then he'll have lost 3 more title matches.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Rob Van Dam shouldn't be main event.

[Guest EricMM]

Why not? Don't you think he's a better draw than HHH or HBK?

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Why not?  Don't you think he's a better draw than HHH or HBK?

I don't know. I never really thought about drawing power. Drawing power doesn't mean dick to me.

 

All I know is that Van Dam's offense is terrible. He has zero to very little emotion in his matches. His forearms are awful. He kicks and flips are terrible. His microphone work is Benoit level. Basically, all he has is a finisher. Seems that the only move he ever sells for as well. Non of his matches are even memorable unless it's a gimmick match.

 

I may not like Triple H's stroke. I may not like HBK coming back and wrestling injured. At least they both don't expose the business when they go to make their in match comeback though.

 

Jesus.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

The only good thing that could come out of all this is that RVD could challenge whoever wins the HHH vs. HBK match to a match for the World Title the next night on RAW. Then, he could go on to win the World Title. That would be the right thing to do, so, that won't be happening. Seriously, if HHH wins the World Title, my days of watching the WWE are over, until they improve.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

The only good thing that could come out of all this is that RVD could challenge whoever wins the HHH vs. HBK match to a match for the World Title the next night on RAW. Then, he could go on to win the World Title. That would be the right thing to do, so, that won't be happening. Seriously, if HHH wins the World Title, my days of watching the WWE are over, until they improve.

Well, odds are Triple H will win the World Title. He should too. HBK has no business with it. Triple H will probably lose it to Scott Steiner or a returning Austin in the next few months.. but at least Triple H can wrestle weekly.

[Guest GameCop]

RVD was ready to break through in the summer of 2001. Take, for instance, the Austin-RVD confrontation in the middle of the ring (Austin challenged an Alliance member to speak up), or the crowd heat in Toronto when they faced each other for the one and only time. The crowd response that RVD elicited was amazing to say the least.

 

If WWE pushed him then, he would be a mega star now, instead of being relegated to hosting ppv parties. WWE blew their opportunity, and now both parties have to pay the price. Jericho, too, was at his peak in the summer of 2000. What did WWE do? They undermined his heat by jobbing him to HHH at Fully Loaded.

 

Wake up, people. WWE will never create new stars; as I said above, WWE has been unable to capatilize (over and over). Timing is everything.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

If WWE pushed him then, he would be a mega star now

A mega-star with horrible offense, little mic skills, and zero emotion. Yeah, I paid to see that at the top of the show.

 

At least Hogan has emotion and mic skills. All Van Dam has is a Frog Splash.

[Guest Angle-plex]

More people are going to be at the world seeing RVD than ordering the PPV.

[Guest GameCop]

Cataclysm-- That's what makes RVD so appealing to the casual viewer. RVD is phlegmatic, stolid, impassive, and stoic; he's unresponsive, and not susceptible to things that might normally incite a person. RVD is laid back, and will probably live a longer, and fuller life. RVD is a character that needs to be appreciated -- he's cool and nonchalant, whereas his counterparts seeth and writhe in agony. Other wrestlers might become indignant upon being subjected to a frivolous insult; RVD, on the other hand, will calmly say, "Yeah, whatever man, it's cool..."

 

While his counterparts are dying from heart-attacks and other stress-related disorders, RVD will be able to smoke a couple joints with his great, great, great grandchildren. RVD is cool, and is likely to live a LONG life because he takes it easy, and doesn't blow steam (or water) like HHH.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

More people are going to be at the world seeing RVD than ordering the PPV.

Not quite. "Marks" will pay for HBK Vs. Triple H. That's why we've gotten it three times in a row. I mean, it's not like it's the highest numbers ever, but then again what do we have to compare it too? You can't compare it to WWE's best times. You can't compare it to WWE's worst times.

[Guest nikowwf]

if they did, lets say RVD vs. Jericho in the same set of 3 matches with the same HHH / HBK buildup it would do the same low to mediocre buyrate this one would, as well as helping to build two talents into stronger talents which could hopefully draw in the future. Shawn is old, and HHH seriously needs to be pushed down the card to build his character anew.

 

So, the WWE gets the medoicre buyrate anyway, and doesn't help their future at all. They are actually hurting their future by alienting people like me who buy every PPV. Seriously, one show like this is ok, but if its april next year and HHH is still having crappy matches at the top of the card - im not going to spend $35 to see it every month. Im sure im not the only one - hell, a lot of you probably stopped getting them a while ago.

 

niKo

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Cataclysm-- That's what makes RVD so appealing to the casual viewer. RVD is phlegmatic, stolid, impassive, and stoic; he's unresponsive, and not susceptible to things that might normally incite a person. RVD is laid back, and will probably live a longer, and fuller life. RVD is a character that needs to be appreciated -- he's cool and nonchalant, whereas his counterparts seeth and writhe in agony. Other wrestlers might become indignant upon being subjected to a frivolous insult; RVD, on the other hand, will calmly say, "Yeah, whatever man, it's cool..."

 

While his counterparts are dying from heart-attacks and other stress-related disorders, RVD will be able to smoke a couple joints with his great, great, great grandchildren. RVD is cool, and is likely to live a LONG life because he takes it easy, and doesn't blow steam (or water) like HHH.

Great. It's not like the WWE (which is still marketed to children) is going to condone blantant drug references like ECW did. That's part of the reason RVD was over in ECW too.

 

Simply put: RVD not caring makes the people not care. "Hey RVD, you mom just died." "That's cool." "Hey RVD, you get a title shot!" "That's cool." "Hey RVD, you offense is terrible.. here's your release so that you can go back to the indies." "That's cool."

 

You see, the biggest problem I have with RVD is that he isn't main event material. He is a Honky Tonk Man kind of character. He can hold the second tier belt... even for great amounts of time.. but he shouldn't have the top one, even for a day.

 

His matches are dispickable. I mean, a lot of it can be blamed on the WWE style. No one ever learns anything. If RVD hits two shoulder blocks in the corner what is going to happen next? I'm guessing a backflip for no reason, and an attempted third shoulder block attempt. The heels should catch on to this. It makes it so that we're not watching the same match over and over again. That's why the RVD/Lynn feud was good. Lynn learned from his mistakes in the past, and tried to capitalize on them. Also, RVD could hide a lot of his terrible offense by using weapons and the like. RVD has pitiful forearms... better grab a chair. It worked too.

[Guest Angle-plex]

More people are going to be at the world seeing RVD than ordering the PPV.

Not quite. "Marks" will pay for HBK Vs. Triple H. That's why we've gotten it three times in a row. I mean, it's not like it's the highest numbers ever, but then again what do we have to compare it too? You can't compare it to WWE's best times. You can't compare it to WWE's worst times.

That's one match. The rest of the card will either suck or has had no build-up at all. "Marks" like good storylines, which none of the other matches have.

 

At least they won't be able to blame the low-buyrate on RVD.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

"Marks" like Main Events. They don't give a flying fuck about the mid-card. They think cruiserweights suck and mid-carders wouldn't have a chance at beating someone like HHH or Brock.

 

Go back and watch the old Wrestlemania's... you know, back before the internet when everyone was a mark. The crowd only cared about the superstars. That's why you would get a filler match in the last hour of the card, because the crowd didn't care. They just wanted to see Hogan. They just paid to see Hogan.

[Guest nikowwf]

yeah, but MARKS dont buy every ppv, people like us do....and we care about the undercard.

 

looking at this...i dont think the main events sell the card, or the undercard sells the card

 

And the RVD IS NOT READY logic is the same shit HHH spews to the booking committee. Everyone is flawed. But that cannot mean the WWE must run in place for all time with the same matches OVER and OVER

 

niko

[Guest Cataclysm911]

yeah, but MARKS dont buy every ppv, people like us do....and we care about the undercard.

We're not the majority. Period. The WWE doesn't care about us, and they won't care about us until we make up 51% of the viewing audience or more... which will never happen.

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

All I know that, over here in my little Northern Texas area, I no longer know a single person who buys WWE's ppvs, and this place used to go nuts over all forms of wrestling. The simple fact is that the main event card is filled with predictable, boring wrestlers in predictable, boring angles. And considering more production power is pushed behind main events (duh), that means that a nice large hunk of the shows are, well, predictable and boring. I mean, geez, one of my friends hadn't watched WWF in about a year, and he knew Shawn Michaels would walk out with the belt last payperview in a HHH vs HBK "showdown". Does this sound like good television to you? Say what you will about RVD's readyness, having him in the upper card would give an opportunity for new storylines and new fueds. How can that be bad?

[Guest Breetai]

Well, odds are Triple H will win the World Title. He should too. HBK has no business with it. Triple H will probably lose it to Scott Steiner or a returning Austin in the next few months.. but at least Triple H can wrestle weekly.

"Weakly". It's spelled "Weakly".

[Guest EricMM]

They think cruiserweights suck

 

C911, on this alone, you're full of shit. You know as well as anyone else does that the crowd will pop for something amazing done in a high profile matchup. My friends favorite wrestling moment (and they are marks, not even fans really) was when Shane McMahon did a Shooting Star Press on a trashcan where vince was. They thought it was amazing. They thought it was the best thing they had ever seen.

 

Whereas they are BORED of HHH, they don't CARE about HHH, HHH has done nothing new or innovative in a year at least. They understand that, they understand how boring he is.

 

HHH gets pops because his music is over, and his entrance is over. But at home NO ONE I know enjoys watching him. No one. They think the Van Terminator is AMAZING tho.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

All I know that, over here in my little Northern Texas area, I no longer know a single person who buys WWE's ppvs, and this place used to go nuts over all forms of wrestling.

Well, that because in your little Northern Texas area people decided to jump off the bandwagon... They probably were the "marks" that we are talking about. The reason that stores like J.C. Penny's started having Austin 3:16 and NWO shirts. Personally, I'm glad they are gone. If you're a wrestling fan, and actually wrestling fan, you don't quit watching because the show is lackluster. You follow it and wait for it to get better.

 

And I was talking about HHH being able to wrestle on each RAW.. so it is weekly, even if you were attempting to make a pitiful joke.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

They think cruiserweights suck

 

C911, on this alone, you're full of shit. You know as well as anyone else does that the crowd will pop for something amazing done in a high profile matchup.

Wrestlemania 14: TAKA Vs. Essa Rios, nuff' said.

 

crowd will pop for something amazing done in a high profile matchup.

 

Which is exactly my point. To "marks" the cruiserweights aren't "high profile."