The One and Only WWE ArmAgeddon 2002 Thread

[Guest Repo Man jr]

Yikes. Wonder what the injury report will be like 2morrow. Shawn took more risks than Jeff Hardy and HHH couldn't walk even before the match began.

[Guest CanadianChris]

I think this show should be renamed WWE Titanic.... cause we all knew what the f**king ending was going to be!

Apropos in more ways than one.

[Guest Anglesault]

No, WWF Purgatory. We are mere steps away from hell.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

Well, I guessed every match outcome correctly, even HHH winning. I'm just glad that I didn't waste $30 to see HHH win.

[Guest Anglesault]

Yikes. Wonder what the injury report will be like 2morrow.

Double Quad tear, God willing.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

How would HBK/HHH rate with the other two 3 Stages of Hell matches?

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

No, WWF Purgatory. We are mere steps away from hell.

Shouldn't you be happy that Angle won?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

RAW preview for tomorrow:

 

Now that HHH has regained the title by defeating a fellow Kliq member and the only person HHH would put over for the title...what is next for the Office?

 

All of the RAW talent that is a more viable choice for RAW champion are either dragged down into the tag division or hosting the ppv from the World...

 

Perhaps now that fellow near cripple Scott Steiner has chosen RAW he can leapfrog all of the hard working midcard to suck up the main events for this month on RAW!

 

Tune in to TNN Monday night at 9:00 pm EST to find out!

[Guest midnight_burn]

RAW preview for tomorrow:

 

Now that HHH has regained the title by defeating a fellow Kliq member and the only person HHH would put over for the title...what is next for the Office?

 

All of the RAW talent that is a more viable choice for RAW champion are either dragged down into the tag division or hosting the ppv from the World...

 

Perhaps now that fellow near cripple Scott Steiner has chosen RAW he can leapfrog all of the hard working midcard to suck up the main events for this month on RAW!

 

Tune in to TNN Monday night at 9:00 pm EST to find out!

MUST SEE TV~!

[Guest Raven_Effect01]

Armageddon wasn't all that great other than the Benoit vs. Eddie match.

[Guest HartFan86]

Thumbs Down on this one. I was talking to my friends the whole time instead of watching. So much fucking stalling and the Al Wilson/Dawn Marie thing just BORED US to death. Benoit/Eddie was alright, but I'm sick of those 2 wrestling each other.

 

HHH/HBK was a disaster. I hope Shawn is done.

[Guest AndrewTS]

All of the RAW talent that is a more viable choice for RAW champion are either dragged down into the tag division or hosting the ppv from the World...

 

Perhaps now that fellow near cripple Scott Steiner has chosen RAW he can leapfrog all of the hard working midcard to suck up the main events for this month on RAW!

 

Tune in to TNN Monday night at 9:00 pm EST to find out!

How true...

 

Raw is Quad III, please!!

[Guest RickyChosyu]

How would HBK/HHH rate with the other two 3 Stages of Hell matches?

Assuming you're talking about Austin/HHH and Angle/Benoit....

 

...about as bad as Austin/HHH, maybe a little worse. If you enjoyed that match, this is your kingdome.

[Guest HartFan86]

I also cringed at the last spot. I thought that table that didn't break was going to impale HBK, but Shawn got his feet up to block it.

[Guest humongous2002]

WOW that HBK did the right thing for the business, he finally gave the rub to a up and coming young wrestler Cripple H, Shawn keep on praying to Jesus b/c either way you are still going to hell, this was one of the worst ppvs of the year, enough said.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Well...A-Train didn't win...Booker and Dust got the tag titles, Vicky kept the Women's Title, and Kurt is the WWE Champ...

 

For the most part, it's good to me. ^^

[Guest godthedog]

only THIS company could give booker t & goldust their big win, let benoit go over clean & put the title on angle in the same night while STILL managing to piss me off.

 

come to think of it, the tag match was the only thing that was done completely right. benoit/eddie was pretty flat & very disappointing, & angle went over in the weakest way possible (he couldn't beat the fucking BIG SHOW by himself? when chris benoit beat him in 2 minutes a year ago) in possibly the crappiest ppv match he's ever had.

 

and don't even get me started on trips/shawn. that match was 4 slow-paced, boring hours of my life i'll never get back.

[Guest Nevermortal]

HHH/Austin was much better than HHH/HBK's love/hate ego fest.

[Guest chirs3]

Well, I predicted all the winners correctly... didn't get the falls in the right order (I thought HBK/HHH/HHH)... Whee...

[Guest RickyChosyu]

HHH/Austin was much better than HHH/HBK's love/hate ego fest.

Maybe Austin/Trips was better in that they *attempted* to make it seem like a match with an internal storyline, but in some ways HHH/Michaels was better for not having tried so hard to be good. Instead they just garbaged it up like Sabu and Sandman in ECW and didn't look back.

 

Actually, come to think of it, they did try and work a "Shawn's leg is hurt" spot, so I guess that's not true. Sorry, I guess both were about the same in trying to work in storylines and failing miserably. Personally, I think both are perfectly fine cures for insomnia.

 

But then, I never liked the Benoit/Angle match, which was called "great" by some, so I might not be a very good source of feedback.

[Guest iamsherm]

angle went over in the weakest way possible (he couldn't beat the fucking BIG SHOW by himself?  when chris benoit beat him in 2 minutes a year ago)

I don't remember this Benoit-Show match, but I'm guessing Albert didn't run in and Paul Heyman wasn't standing on the outside. I think you're comparing apples and oranges here.

 

Overall, I was satisfied with the show.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Would you happen to remember the Show/Lesnar match last month? Lesnar literally squashed Show in two minutes before the screwyness, and it took Angle ten minutes to even make a dent. Not to mention he needed Lesnar's help to win.

 

This isn't exactly ideal booking if they want people to buy the Angle/Lesnar match. So far, Lesnar appears to be miles ahead of Angle.

 

I won't even get into the fiasco a few monts back of Angle and Benoit being fed to Taker who was in turn fed to Brock.

 

"Long term booking? What are you, nutts!?!?" - WWE Creative, apparently

[Guest iamsherm]

This isn't exactly ideal booking if they want people to buy the Angle/Lesnar match. So far, Lesnar appears to be miles ahead of Angle.

I'll agree with that. But ("so far" being the keyword), they have plenty of time to change that.

[Guest RedJed]

only THIS company could give booker t & goldust their big win, let benoit go over clean & put the title on angle in the same night while STILL managing to piss me off.

That about how I feel..........there was some good parts to the show (the examples you mentioned) but then we got to parts like the main event (especially the last images and words of the show) and the middle hour of the ppv) and I just felt ripped off.

 

Fuckin Jim Ross's line near the end of the show "Now you got your moneys worth here" or something to that effect.......give me a fuckin break, JR. I don't know if he was trying to be cyncial or what.

 

Opener had solild booking in spots, especially when it came down to the two teams, but the way both the Duds and S/R were eliminated so quick there made me scratch my head. Anyway pretty decent match, and I kept expecting Goldust to turn on Booker after the match. *** 1/4

 

Edge-Albert was indeed an A-Train wreck. I don't get what up-side they see with Albert at all after watching this match. * 1/2

 

Benoit-Guererro was a very solid bout, on the level of what you would expect to see on a Smackdown show or something, but not a ppv level barnburner. Just wasnt enough time or story to the bout. I guess this means Benoit v. Angle at the Rumble in the blowoff, works for me! *** 3/4

 

This was when things started to blow......

 

The stuff with Dawn Marie and Al Wilson was pretty fuckin bad. Wilson has gotten to the point where's he's so bad its funny though, kind of like watching a Troma film or something. The fact that they couldn't show this on the show though baffles me, they should have just done it on Velocity if it was a huge problem. Obviously seeing Dawn and Torrie kissing wasn't a bad thing, however. This was definately the typical teaser type angle the WWE does on the ppvs occasionally.......gets old and predictable.

 

John Cena cracks me up, word to ya mutha!

 

Batista and Kane........worst of the night for sure. *

 

Women's title match had the effort but not the execution. Victorias new music is wacky as hell though. * 1/2

 

Things picked up with the WWE title match. I actually enjoyed this match alot even if it wasn't a mat classic. I thought the booking was pretty good here for the most part. Show could have been alot worse if it wasn't for him being in there with Angle. I didn't think Angle had a chance in hell to win since he will be taking a break, so I was shocked and surprised for once to see him get the belt. Only thing that was missing there was Angle and Lesnar getting into it after the match. It's obvious now that they will stick to their plan with Angle-Lesnar for Mania, thank god. Great to see them starting to plan this out at this point already. Anyway like I said, fun match *** 1/4

 

ME had its moments but I just couldn't get into it seeing so much ahead to the finish. Michaels didn't really impress the hell out of me much like he did at SummerSlam and at Survivor Series. With that said, its just another reason why this match should have never happened. Everything for major spots seemed to be taken from other recent WWE gimmicked matches, so there was hardly anything original here. Just couldn't get into this ***

 

Overall I definately think the show could have been worse, but other than the Angle win, there wasn't anything on the show that signaled to me that there is some hope for the new year in the WWE.

[Guest RedJed]

Would you happen to remember the Show/Lesnar match last month? Lesnar literally squashed Show in two minutes before the screwyness, and it took Angle ten minutes to even make a dent. Not to mention he needed Lesnar's help to win.

 

This isn't exactly ideal booking if they want people to buy the Angle/Lesnar match. So far, Lesnar appears to be miles ahead of Angle.

Ahh that shouldnt be an issue just because that they have clearly made a point that Show has really moved to a whole new level since he won the title and Heyman joined him. He's supposed to be a more dominant wrestler than he once was. Its just making Angle's victory more meaningful in that he stopped the roll he was on the past few months. Plus I'm sure in the Lesnar-Show blowoff, it will be a similar situation as Angle-Show was, in that there won't be any squashing going on there.

 

He already had Show beat in the anklelock and he was tapping before Lesnar appeared, so the point was also made that he didn't need Lesnar's help to win actually.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Ahh that shouldnt be an issue just because that they have clearly made a point that Show has really moved to a whole new level since he won the title and Heyman joined him. He's supposed to be a more dominant wrestler than he once was.

 

That's questionable at best.

 

*looks at Show's record since Survivor Series*

 

Let's see:

 

1) Needed Heyman's help to beat Edge.

 

2) Got layed out by Brock on several occasions.

 

3) Beat Angle in a tag match with A-Train and Heyman's help.

 

I fail to see how any of this depicts Show as improved in the least. The only person he's been able to intimidate since he won the strap was Moolah.

 

Its just making Angle's victory more meaningful in that he stopped the roll he was on the past few months.

 

*What* role has Show been on? He's done nothing of note on pay per view besides winning the belt in a screw job. Was he even featured on Summerslam or Unforgiven?

 

Plus I'm sure in the Lesnar-Show blowoff, it will be a similar situation as Angle-Show was, in that there won't be any squashing going on there.

 

That's not the point. I'm sure the match will be booked to go long, have both guys kick out each other's finishers, ect. The problem is that right now Angle looks so weak compared to Lesnar that no one will pay to see what happens. Why should people take Angle seriously if only a few months ago he was pure cannon fodder for the Undertaker along with Benoit? Seeing as Undertaker was then sacrificed to Lesnar, anyone with a memory longer than three months knows that Angle is basically second-class citizen.

 

He already had Show beat in the anklelock and he was tapping before Lesnar appeared, so the point was also made that he didn't need Lesnar's help to win actually.

 

Like I said, that was after taking over ten minutes to where the guy down, hiting him with chairs, ect. Brock running in and then going after Heyman made Kurt seem like the afterthought, and since he's already at a disadvantage due to all the shody booking, that's the last thing they need to be doing.

[Guest RedJed]

So how would you have booked it then? I always see people critisizing things, yet they don't come up with anything better themselves.

 

If you can't see that Show has been booked more dominantly, even with or without help, since he came to Smackdown, I don't know what else to say. When I said he's been on a roll for a few months, thats exactly what I meant......a few months.......since he came to Smackdown. He took out Taker, just one example I can think of......

 

I also miss where Angle even did a high profile job to Undertaker, from what I recalled he actually beat him in a non-title match to add him to the Vengeance ppv match in July.

 

I just fail to see how Angle looks so horribly weak at this point when he's been protected quite a bit on Smackdown, not to mention getting clean wins over heels pretty regularly recently.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Angle is Lesnar's bitch.

 

He went and asked for his help to win on Smackdown...then needed it to take down the guy that Brock squashed at Survivor Series.

 

Unless the storyline going in to Mania is Angle finally proving that he is better than Lesnar...the WWE has gone a long way to nowhere again.

[Guest RedJed]

Angle is Lesnar's bitch.

 

He went and asked for his help to win on Smackdown...

I guess I see that as Angle being humble and at that same time, bringing some credibility to Show. Plus it's their idea of turning him face, and from seeing the response he got tonight, it worked.

[Guest Brian]

If their plan is to job Angle, they're sinking that ship. Unless they can somehow pull out an "Angle had him beat and didn't need Brock" storyline that doesn't make him come off whiny and as a heel, this isn't going to work. I can understand the asking for help if it costs Angle the title, which would have made a lot more sense down the line if it was another quick match that was drawn out by Heyman's interference until Brock makes his presence known which brings about a DQ. Thus Angle is betrayed and lost an opportunity via Brock, Brock gets a short-term fix at Heyman, but Heyman in the end gets to walk away for another day with the champ.