Matches with the best build up

[Guest Brian]

Almost everyone cycles just to repair partial muscle tears and such.

 

Anyways, they blew Brock/Angle along time ago. It will never be what it could have been. Heyman manager thing is not that much of a problem. Taking the title off Brock, turning him, that was the problem. Angle's going to do fine with Heyman; he's a much more competent character.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

However, look at his back on Raw tonight. You will notice some pimples on his back, thus my guess he is using juice.

Then I guess I must be on the juice, because I have acne on my back and shoulders and chest as well.

[Guest bob_barron]

Should I call you Corey-Juice??

[Guest Kingpk]

For me the best thing about the Austin-Rock WMXVII buildup was that the payoff actually made sense in relation to the build up.

A lot of the build was on Austin working hard to get back, but Rock was now 'The Man'. Austin really needed to win to prove he was still the man, and Rock needed the win to cement his place at the top. And when it came down to it, Austin knew he couldn't beat Rocky, so he got Vince's help. And the rest is history.

Then they flushed it down the commode by not making HHH a face to go against Austin, instead doing that retarded "Two Man Power Trip" crap.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

King-Pk, HHH wouldn't job to Austin, which is why you got that shit. On the bright side, it gave us the best month of WWF television EVER. (Canadian Chrises vs. Austin)

[Guest Kingpk]

Well, I should have known that would happen, but I would have dug a HHH/Jericho vs. Austin/Benoit (with Vince) feud. Probably would have never happened, though.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Umm.....the Austin talking about his drug of choice thing wasn't for WMXVII. It was for when Austin fought Jericho at NWO.

[Guest Mole]

However, look at his back on Raw tonight. You will notice some pimples on his back, thus my guess he is using juice.

Then I guess I must be on the juice, because I have acne on my back and shoulders and chest as well.

Well are you a 37 year old grown man?

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

No, but my dad is a 44 year old grown man, and he also has bacne, and isn't on the juice.

 

Simply pointing to bacne as a sign of juice usage is dumb, as bacne comes from clogged pores, which sweat can cause. If you sweat more than most, you'll have more bacne.

 

That said...yes, bob, you may call me Corey-Juice if you so wish...

[Guest BorneAgain]

The build up for the eventual Jake Roberts-Randy Savage match should be standard viewing material for every booker in the WWE today.

[Guest Mole]

No, but my dad is a 44 year old grown man, and he also has bacne, and isn't on the juice.

 

Simply pointing to bacne as a sign of juice usage is dumb, as bacne comes from clogged pores, which sweat can cause. If you sweat more than most, you'll have more bacne.

 

That said...yes, bob, you may call me Corey-Juice if you so wish...

Well, we really don't KNOW for a fact that any of them are on juice.

 

That is what I said, we don't know for a fact any wrestlers are on juice. But I was guessing he was because of the pimples. Just look at how bigger he has gotten over the years:

 

Booker T in WCW

Booker T in WWE

 

To me, he looks a little bigger. I am putting two-two together, and saying he does juice. No facts here, just pure speculation.

 

Do we know for a fact Triple-Juice uses Juice? No, but just look at his size change. Same with Eddy and Edge. They both have pimples on their backs and have gotten bigger over the years.

[Guest Mikazuki]

Booker T is in worse shape than he was in WCW. His muscles don't look any bigger than from his late WCW years, but his gut sure does.

 

Why are people so quick to say some people are on juice without any real evidence?

 

Eddie Guerrero isn't that big, he just has great shoulders and vascularity.

 

Benoit isn't that big, he just manages to keep himself cut, which can be hard with so much traveling.

 

The only way you can tell for sure is if someone's face looks A LOT different within a couple years without a major makeover...like Triple H and maybe Benoit..

 

Even if Triple H is on steroids, there are many NATURAL bodybuilders who are bigger than him.

[Guest Mr. Adam]

Umm.....the Austin talking about his drug of choice thing wasn't for WMXVII. It was for when Austin fought Jericho at NWO.

 

Yes it was, well a variation if the theme anyways.

 

From Chris Zimmerman, Smackdown!, March 22 2001.

 

Austin:

Without getting overly sentimental, I'll go on record as sayin' every single time I've been in the ring with the Rock, he has brought out the absolute best in Stone Cold Steve Austin. So when I roll in to the Astrodome and WrestleMania on April first? Do I wanna beat you on a personal level? Oh hell yeah, I do. But on professional level, which bleeds over into my personal existence, I need it, Rock - I need it more than anything you could ever imagine. So that's the mentality I roll into the Astrodome with, the fact that Stone Cold Steve Austin is back, and that I must beat the Rock to be the World Wrestling Federation champion once again. And there is no other way. There can be only one. There can be only one World Wrestling Federation champion. And that will be, Rock, when it's all said and done...Stone Cold Steve Austin. With all due respect.

 

That gets my vote for one of the best buildups to a match ever. I think it benefitted tremendously from the five week buildup as opposed to the three or four weeks pay per views generally get when the words Wrestle and Mania aren't in the title. Just another reason to decrease to eight pay per views a year. The February, July, December and either September/November can be easily dropped without too much fuss.

 

Hell even from this year, the July pay per view was useless. At least it served well enough to keep Rock/Brock away from each other which was also a really good buildup.

[Guest wwF1587]

Foley/HHH at RR 00 gave me goosebumps

Austin/HHH at NWO 01 was very good too

I thought SummerSlam 00's main event 3 way was built good as well.. the whole HHH/Angle was good...till HHH ruined it

[Guest Mole]

Booker T is in worse shape than he was in WCW. His muscles don't look any bigger than from his late WCW years, but his gut sure does.

 

Why are people so quick to say some people are on juice without any real evidence?

 

Eddie Guerrero isn't that big, he just has great shoulders and vascularity.

 

Benoit isn't that big, he just manages to keep himself cut, which can be hard with so much traveling.

 

The only way you can tell for sure is if someone's face looks A LOT different within a couple years without a major makeover...like Triple H and maybe Benoit..

 

Even if Triple H is on steroids, there are many NATURAL bodybuilders who are bigger than him.

Eddy isn't that big? Go back at watch Eddy from his WCW, look how small he was then. Then try to tell me he didn't use juice.

[Guest Brian]

Eddie also had a four month period in his life where he wasn't wrestling. It's more than possible that a guy as determined as him and who loves wrestling could have gotten in shape.

[Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767]

Match 1 was: Jericho can't win the big one/Yes I can

Match 2 was: It was a fluke/No it wasn't

Match 3 was: I can beat the hell out of you anytime I want/Go ahead

Match 4: I will win and go to WM/Considering I've beaten you twice in a row- take me seriously mmmmmmk

That reminds me of when someone on this board was describing Jericho's title reign (this is when he had the title) and he said basically what everyone else was afraid to say. He summed up Jericho's promos basically as this....

 

"I'm the chaaaaampioooon! Take me seriously damnit! C'mon take me seriously! Please, take me seriously."

 

I was rolling on the floor. I believe it was Choken One. Okay, on with the discussion.

[Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767]

Eddie also had a four month period in his life where he wasn't wrestling. It's more than possible that a guy as determined as him and who loves wrestling could have gotten in shape.

The same can be said for the 8 month period HHH didn't wrestle. But let's not fantasize here. They're both on the juice.

[Guest Brian]

The circumstances were totally different. Trips was coming off a major injury, recooperating and rehabbing, while having the resources of a major company. Not to say Eddy didn't use them, but he didn't have the same opportunities as HHH to get to them as well as more time off where he could physically do more than HHH could, and a lighter wrestling schedule than normal for six months.

[Guest deadbeater]

Is this about matches with build-up or the wrestlers themselves?

[Guest blachuuh_monkey]

Not necessarily the best but 2 great ones were:

HBK vs Undertaker - HIAC Badd Blood

Macho Man vs Ric Flair - WWF Title WM VIII

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

I would like to say that Eddie isn't on the "juice".....mainly because I like him! As for Triple-Juice? Who the fuck cares if he uses or not?

 

Why hasn't anyone mentioned HBK vs HHH @ Summerslam 2002? This feud didn't just have months in the making, it had YEARS. Pretty much the ol' "tag-team breaks up and feuds" storyline, only better. They were buddies in DX, then at WX4, HBK just....left. Now, obviously, it was due to an injury, but in the storyline sense, HBK just walked out on the company, leaving HHH to deal with the floundering DX.

[Guest Mole]

The circumstances were totally different. Trips was coming off a major injury, recooperating and rehabbing, while having the resources of a major company. Not to say Eddy didn't use them, but he didn't have the same opportunities as HHH to get to them as well as more time off where he could physically do more than HHH could, and a lighter wrestling schedule than normal for six months.

Okay, to be fair, we really don't know if a wrestler uses juice or not. I have said that before, and I am saying it again.

 

However, I am just putting two and two together to think they are using juice. Okay, here are the side effects of steroid use:

 

-shrinking of the testicles

-reduced sperm count

-infertility

-baldness

-development of breasts

-increased risk for prostate cancer

-acne on back and thighs

-oily hair and skin

 

If you look at some of the wrestlers who we think are using steroids, we can see a few of the side effects. Granted, we don't know about their ball getting smaller or how much sperm they lost. However, we can see a few other things.

 

Remember when Edge was with Christian, how good his hair looked? Now look at it. It is all oily, and it looks like he is losing some of it. Same with HHH. He has a bald spot on the top of his head.

 

Plus, Edge, HHH, and Eddy have all gotten bigger, or more defined over the past few years. Plus, there is acne somewhere on their body.

 

My point is that I am just looking at side effects, putting two-two together and taking a educated guess that they are doing juice. NO ONE knows for sure but the wrestlers themselves, it is simple as that.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

Remember when Edge was with Christian, how good his hair looked? Now look at it. It is all oily, and it looks like he is losing some of it. Same with HHH. He has a bald spot on the top of his head.

 

I believe I can argue this point....

 

I think Edge dyed his hair during the E & C stint. After all, E & C were being the blonde airheads, so they had to look the role. I don't think it's oily now....just a bit darker....like a mix of dark brown and the light blonde. The way he had his hair during the TLC video (mostly dark, with two light blonde strands in front) comes to mind.

[Guest Mole]

Remember when Edge was with Christian, how good his hair looked? Now look at it. It is all oily, and it looks like he is losing some of it. Same with HHH. He has a bald spot on the top of his head.

 

I believe I can argue this point....

 

I think Edge dyed his hair during the E & C stint. After all, E & C were being the blonde airheads, so they had to look the role. I don't think it's oily now....just a bit darker....like a mix of dark brown and the light blonde. The way he had his hair during the TLC video (mostly dark, with two light blonde strands in front) comes to mind.

Ahh, just because he died his hair, how would that make it look like shit now? Now I know dieing one's hair makes the quality of the hair go down, but not that bad. Plus, dieing one's hair makes it go bald? I might be wrong is Edge has a bald spot, but I believe he does.

 

Once again, no one really knows if he does steroids. I am just putting two-two together.

[Guest godthedog]

Benoit isn't that big, he just manages to keep himself cut, which can be hard with so much traveling.

for his size, benoit's muscle mass is enormous. benoit's about 5'10, and his frame isn't built to contain even close to that much muscle. compare his body today to what it was in 1994 when he was wrestling in japan. the difference is SCARY, it's like he went from looking like the dynamite kid (bad example cause i know he used steroids, but he WAS small & skinny) to looking like the rock. the case for benoit juicing is just as convincing as the case for triple h.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Ahh, just because he died his hair, how would that make it look like shit now? Now I know dieing one's hair makes the quality of the hair go down, but not that bad. Plus, dieing one's hair makes it go bald? I might be wrong is Edge has a bald spot, but I believe he does.

 

Once again, no one really knows if he does steroids. I am just putting two-two together.

I don't know if Edge uses steroids (my guess would be no, but that's besides the point), but he doesn't have a bald spot. I have a few pics of him, if it helps at all:

 

Picture #1

 

Picture #2

 

Picture #3

[Guest Mole]

for his size, benoit's muscle mass is enormous. benoit's about 5'10, and his frame isn't built to contain even close to that much muscle. compare his body today to what it was in 1994 when he was wrestling in japan. the difference is SCARY, it's like he went from looking like the dynamite kid (bad example cause i know he used steroids, but he WAS small & skinny) to looking like the rock. the case for benoit juicing is just as convincing as the case for triple h.

 

Yeah, that is one thing I was trying to get across. His body has gotten A LOT more defined.

 

Ahh, just because he died his hair, how would that make it look like shit now? Now I know dieing one's hair makes the quality of the hair go down, but not that bad. Plus, dieing one's hair makes it go bald? I might be wrong is Edge has a bald spot, but I believe he does.

 

Once again, no one really knows if he does steroids. I am just putting two-two together.

I don't know if Edge uses steroids (my guess would be no, but that's besides the point), but he doesn't have a bald spot. I have a few pics of him, if it helps at all:

 

Picture #1

 

Picture #2

 

Picture #3

 

Errr, those pictures really don't show if he has a bald spot or not. But whatever, I think I am wrong about that. We'll find out tomorrow on Smackdown if he has a bald spot, if they have a top of the head shot.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Yeah, I couldn't really find on top of the head shots, but we'll just see on Smackdown tommorrow I guess

[Guest Brian]

Actually, compared to earlier in his WWE run Benoit looks smaller and cut.