Anyone got Smackdown Spoilers?

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Hmm..

[Guest Anglesault]

Damn, it's Sunday already. Wow.

 

And this show is the telltale. We'll see if there's any improvement over last week with the world title situation.

[Guest CanadianChick]

I don't see it anywhere. Weird

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

EDIT - it was taped today in Tulsa...I don't have a clue what time, but I would asume that its been over for a while by now.

 

Hmm. Isnt there supposed to be an Angle vs Big Show match. That pretty much screams interference, by either Lesnar, Benoit or both of them. I figure Benoit interference helps set up Angle vs Benoit at RR, and Lesnar interference helps set up the fact that he's probably gonna win the Royal Rumble and face Angle at Wrestlemania, but it would be a bit much to have them both interfere.

 

Maybe the Angle vs Show match doesn't happen and instead you get Angle/Show vs Lesnar/Benoit. That would probably suck though..

 

I have no idea...

 

All I know is that next week is Live and I won't get to see it, so lucky me that I don't get to see the Dawn/Al Wilson "Wedding"..

[Guest y2jailbait]

I believe that the Angle-Show match won't happen due to Angle's injury.

 

On Velocity they said "something happened off the air which would greatly effect the main event," so im thinking they were talking about Lesnar's attack on Angle and the subsequent "injury" angle surrounding it

[Guest Anglesault]

There will be lesnar-ference to establish that yes, Angle IS an unworthy champ and it's only a matter of time before Brock beats him and sends him back to the midcard where he belongs.

[Guest Anglesault]

I believe that the Angle-Show match won't happen due to Angle's injury.

 

On Velocity they said "something happened off the air which would greatly effect the main event," so im thinking they were talking about Lesnar's attack on Angle and the subsequent "injury" angle surrounding it

Oh good, they are going to use the Lesnar annhiliated Angle angle. I was afraid, someone could interfret this as an even feud. Maybe they'll give Kurt the Cowboy Bob Orton Never healing injury to avoid Brock. Because Orton is a household name after that push.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Glad to see your positivity still in tact, AS.

[Guest Anglesault]

What is there to be positive about? At this rate, Angle will get a cheap win over Benoit at the Rumble thanks to tow run ins, a biased ref, a a low blow, belt shot and feet on the ropes.

 

He'll beat Undertaker at No Way out when the Four Horsemen run in.

 

From february to March, he'll be a sidebar to the Heyman/Brock feud, fetching Paul's lubricant and walking the Big Show.

 

Brock will kill him at WM

 

He won't be at Backlash

 

He'll job again to brock in a gimmick match in May.

 

Lose in the first round of the KotR

 

Lose to a loser rookie in July.

 

Start a riveting two month feud with hacksaw Jim Duggen in August.

 

Form a succesful tag team with Matt hardy in October.

 

Wow, so much to look forward to.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

And I'll laugh when NONE of that happens, Angelsault.

 

1) Angle is a WWF made boy.

 

2) Heyman puts over talent more than himself

 

3) McMahon Likes Angle.

 

4) HHH isn't involved in this feud.

[Guest bob_barron]

If you see all this impending doom and gloom- don't watch

[Guest Anglesault]

And I'll laugh when NONE of that happens, Angelsault.

No, of course not. It won't reach Jericho levels. Nothing could.

 

BUT

 

I want a recent example of how this push that Angle has right now has made ANYONE a star. Because I see him jobbing the title to Brock and heading right back into the midcard.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

And I'll laugh when NONE of that happens, Angelsault.

No, of course not. It won't reach Jericho levels. Nothing could.

 

BUT

 

I want a recent example of how this push that Angle has right now has made ANYONE a star. Because I see him jobbing the title to Brock and heading right back into the midcard.

Angle seems more a serious main eventer than the past two times that he was the Champion

 

Which is helpful in my eyes.

 

And before you say he's Heyman's lacky...I think I remember storylines saying that Heyman came to Angle with the idea.

[Guest chirs3]

Uh... I might not remember right, but I thought Heyman said that Angle came to him with the idea...

[Guest snuffbox]

Well, Ric Flair seemed to get over pretty well in the NWA with a mix of cowardly heel/workrate/micwork. He rarely got a clean win as a heel, even against guys at the bottom of the ladder, and his main events usually featured a myriad of cheating/runins. They could very well be trying to replicate that success with Angle but Im prolly giving WWE writers a lil too much credit.

 

But yeah, this type of push has worked before. I just dont know if the bookers can do anything right.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Uh... I might not remember right, but I thought Heyman said that Angle came to him with the idea...

Aaah...don't remember...was kinda tired that night.

[Guest Anglesault]

And I'll laugh when NONE of that happens, Angelsault.

No, of course not. It won't reach Jericho levels. Nothing could.

 

BUT

 

I want a recent example of how this push that Angle has right now has made ANYONE a star. Because I see him jobbing the title to Brock and heading right back into the midcard.

Angle seems more a serious main eventer than the past two times that he was the Champion

No way. As sad is this is, his best run was his first. It was his cleanest title win, (Honestly, once you figure in that HHH got them both AND that Rikishi got them both, it was pretty damned clean.) And while he had his lackies he wasn't a manager's bitch.

 

Well, Ric Flair seemed to get over pretty well in the NWA with a mix of cowardly heel/workrate/micwork. He rarely got a clean win as a heel, even against guys at the bottom of the ladder, and his main events usually featured a myriad of cheating/runins. They could very well be trying to replicate that success with Angle but Im prolly giving WWE writers a lil too much credit.

 

What was that, 20 years ago?

 

Anyway if it failed with Angle in 2000/1. And then Jericho in 2001/2, WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY DOING IT AGAIN WITH ANGLE IN 2002/3?

[Guest Anglesault]

Also, the key to that working is to get the guy right back into the title hunt.Not send him into the midcard for a year.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

And I'll laugh when NONE of that happens, Angelsault.

No, of course not. It won't reach Jericho levels. Nothing could.

 

BUT

 

I want a recent example of how this push that Angle has right now has made ANYONE a star. Because I see him jobbing the title to Brock and heading right back into the midcard.

Angle seems more a serious main eventer than the past two times that he was the Champion

No way. As sad is this is, his best run was his first. It was his cleanest title win, (Honestly, once you figure in that HHH got them both AND that Rikishi got them both, it was pretty damned clean.) And while he had his lackies he wasn't a manager's bitch.

Did I say ANYTHING about how CLEAN the title win was? No I fucking didn't! PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I'M TYPING ABOUT!

 

I'm saying he's ACTING MORE SERIOUS in the ring now as Champion. As Champion this time around, he isn't doing as much goofy shit.

[Guest snuffbox]

AS, Im just saying that such a strategy has worked in the past. Flairs character has stayed over for 20+ years, kept a company afloat almost singlehandedly, and made a boatload of cash.

 

Do I think it can work the same way for Kurt Angle. Yes, definitly. Will it? Probably not, the awawwe has proven its ineptitude at everything. Jericho could have been a star in this role, and Angle can/could. The awawwe just doesnt seem interested in its own future so its not really looking into creating a hugely over, long character.

 

This strategy can work, especially with a worker of Angles's talent. But I seriously doubt itll happen in the current product.

 

And yes, to work, Kurt would have to stay at or near the top at all times, as was the case with Ric Flair. He should be in that position anyway, but in the crowded awawwe main event scene, there cant always be room for Kurt with the likes of Undertaker, albert, show, steiner, hbk, nash, and H 'i have a hardon for superstar billy graham' H 'and cant jerk it off cuz ive seen the needle and the damage done' H uh

[Guest Anglesault]

AS, Im just saying that such a strategy has worked in the past.

You also have to consider one thing. Besides Flair, who? Maybe Flair was the exception.

 

I'm saying he's ACTING MORE SERIOUS in the ring now as Champion

 

It's a start.

[Guest snuffbox]

No, I dont think Flair is an exception to your rule. See the premise is basic and very profitable. You have a guy who can work most any style of pro wrestling at a very high level, night in and night out. Thats step 1. Hes charismatic, and good on the stick. Hell get audiences against him and behind any and all opponents. Step 2. So now we have a guy who can work the main event scene at a heated and entertaining level, good matches that people will care about.

 

Then comes the part in question, chasing a cowardly heel. The crowd wants so badly for the babyface to win, then the heel gets interference or a cheap win or dq/countout loss and retains his title. The face can go over, the heel maintains/gains heat. Eventually when the heel drops the title to a face cleanly, itll be huge.

 

Its all about setting up and milking feuds. The cowardly heel can actually be the best character of all because he can get the faces over, and will always maintain the heat with his dubious means of retaining his title.

 

Angle is a solid worker and great with a microphone. Hes very much capable of being a hugely profitable main eventer. And he can work the cowardly heel role as good as Flair did.

 

But again the drawback is the booking. He wont keep heat if he drops the belt and then flounders around below the main event. And it wont work is hes not booked in solid, lengthy feuds which with the current product, seems impossible.

[Guest Anglesault]

You have to give credit to the whole 4 Horsemen concept as well. It gave a valid reason for him to have long reigns, for him to keep winning the belt, for his title feuds. I thinka stable might be necessary for a push like this as well.

[Guest snuffbox]

Yeah, Horsemen definitly helped with the Flair character. It was kind of an ensemble cast, like Seainfeld or All in the Family. Flair the top star, surrounded by the very competent Arn Anderson, Barry Windham, Lex Luger, or Tully Blanchard (razors and straws included!) among others.

 

Same could work for Angle in a similar stable. Big Show or, ideally, another couple of fellows who need a good role, with Heyman as JJ Dillon.

 

The character can work, the similarities between Flair and Angle are obvious. Its just a matter of the bookers taking their precious time to make the storylines last and work.

[Guest Anglesault]

How about this. Fire Big Show. Now.

 

Anyway,

Angle on top with the World title

Los Guerreros under him with tag titles

Give Matt hardy the Cruiser belt and let him join

 

And stretch this out to Summerslam.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

hmm..

 

Still no Smackdown spoilers at 4:40 am on any of the major sites/sources..

 

Im starting to wonder..

[Guest snuffbox]

wow...i forgot what this thread was really all about!! looks like we kinda trailed off there!

 

I guess I dont really give two shits about the spoilers, but itd be nice to see Kurt Angle in a good, marketable, profitable main event role.

 

And the Flairesque cowardly heel character, when booked right(and that dont take a whole lot of thought) would be just that.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

How about this. Fire Big Show. Now.

 

Anyway,

Angle on top with the World title

Los Guerreros under him with tag titles

Give Matt hardy the Cruiser belt and let him join

 

And stretch this out to Summerslam.

I like the idea, but have Angle lose the strap at WrestleMania. (I hate it when the heel wins the belt at WM.) and have him right back in the hunt after wards, then give him a another reign from KOTR till Unforgiven. That would send a message that Angle is ME matierial for the long run.

[Guest nikowwf]

shows how much everyone cares about the product nowadays, nobody even has spoilers already.

 

maybe nobody went to smackdown? =)

 

niko

[Guest nikowwf]

I FOUND EM...

 

WWE Smackdown was taped Sunday, December 22nd at the Tulsa Convention Center in Tulsa Oklahoma to be broadcast on December 26th.

 

Here's a quick, quick recap.

 

Before the start the show, Kid Rock's "Lonely Road Of Faith" Desire video is shown. Isn't that a great video?

 

Dark Matches:

1st match: Spanky vs Red Dog

Winner; Spanky

 

2nd Match: I didn't catch the names of the wrestlers. I think they were indy workers, but I'm not sure. At this point, the arena was filling up, and a lot of people trying to get to their seats. So I missed the wrestlers' names. I do a apologize.

 

Velocity:

Brandon Groom of Oklahoma Championship Wrestling (www.oklachamp.com) vs. Mattitude Version 1.0 (Matt Hardy)

Winner: Matt Hardy

 

Smackdown's #1 Announcer, Funaki vs. A-Train.

Winner: A-Train

 

Tag-Team Match:

VIP's (?) vs. Jamie Noble with Nidia & Nunzio

Winners: Jamie Noble & Nunzio

 

John Cena with B2 vs. Chuck Palumbo

Winner, Chuck Palumbo

 

Smackdown:

 

The show started with a recap of last week's happenings. Stephanie McMahon then came down and announced that it wasn't Angle's decision as to who the #1 contender would be. And announced that there would be a #1 Contender's match tonight between The Big Show & Chris Benoit. Steph also mentions that Angle was seriously injured after Smackdown went off the air last week and that he wouldn't be able to compete tonight. She said she'd air the "never before seen" footage of Angle getting manhandled by Lesnar.

 

This Brings out The Big Show, who says that Benoit isn't in the same league as Show is. And tries to get out of the match by "scaring" Steph. Steph then says that she's th egeneral manager and she makes the decisions, and she can also suspend anyone she wants too. This makes The Big Show back off.

 

Benoit then comes out to address Show's comments he made about him. Benoit says he can beat Show anytime. Show replies by saying that the only way Benoit can beat him, is if he brings him down to Benoit's size. Benoit then kicks Show between the legs and does bring him down to his size.

 

During the commercial break, Bill DeMott comes on the Titantron and gets heat from the Tulsa Crowd by wishing them Happy Holidays.

 

Bill DeMott vs. Crash Holly.

Winner: Bill DeMott.

 

Dawn Marie is shown backstage giving Al Wilson a Christmas present. Mr. Wilson then gives Dawn Marie a present as well, one he says they can both use: VIAGRA. The present that Dawn Marie gave, was a camcorder. She says now they can make movies of all their adventures. We're then shown an Invitation to the wedding on the Titantron.

 

Tag-Team Championship Match:

Los Guerrerros vs. Billy Kidman & Edge

A great match. First, Los Guerrerros tried to leave the ring and completely leave the arena, but the ref ordered them back into the ring, and if they didn't, not only would they lose by count out, but they'd lose the Championships. Then, they tried to purposely get a DQ, but the ref then ruled that since Los Guerrerros was intentionally trying to get disqualified, the match was now a No DQ match. The match ended with A-Train running in and costing Kidman & Edge the match.

 

Heyman is shown helping Angle, on crutches, backstage toward the arena.

 

The "never before seen" footage is shown of Lesnar destroying the Big Show and Angle last week.

 

Heyman makes his way to the ring, and presents Angle. He requests that since Angle isn't feeling well, for the fans not to make any of the "You Suck" chants. Angle went on to make a long promo about Lesnar and Big Show being jealous of him and the segment ended with Heyman presenting Angle with "Team Angle."

 

Team Angle is Charlie Haas & Shelton Benjamin. They exit with Heyman saying that he'll always have a contingency plan.

 

Matt Hardy and Shannon Moore come to the ring. Hardy says that he's at Smackdown and is hurting. And the cause of it is Brock Lesnar. Footage is shown of Moore being enjoyed by Lesnar. Hardy says he's going to stop it. Matt Hardy then challenges Lesnar to a match next week on Smackdown. Hardy then attacks Moore.

 

Heyman is backstage with The Big Show, working things out between Show, Angle, and himself.

 

Next, B2 vs. Rikishi.

Huge pops for Rikishi. Cena tried to interfere, but it backfired. After the match, Cena & B2 both received the Stink-face. Rikishi then danced to huge pops.

Winner: Rikishi

 

Backstage Funaki interviews Torrie Wilson. He asks her is she's going to be at the wedding of her Father and Dawn Marie. The interview is interrupted by Al Wilson, who says he's tired of it being all about Torrie. Al asks why she never cares about what Al wants. He says he will marry Dawn Marie.

 

Also, Los Guerrerros runs into Cena & B2. They taunt them about being Rappers....

 

Main Event:

Big Show vs. Benoit

Benoit wins the match and is destroyed afterward by Team Angle, Kurt Angle on Crutches, and the Big Show.

 

Before Benoit exits, he comes back to ring to say that he told The Big Show he could beat his fat @$$ anytime, and all the fans here believed it. He goes on to say he'll win at the Royal Rumble against Angle.

 

Quick Notes:

The Crowd was Hot! The arena was not sold out, but was very close to being. There were a lot of OCW workers on the show, and in the stands I'd imagine. I also know that Takao Omori, NOAH competitor and Harley Race's WLW (WWW.HARLEYRACE.COM) Champ was in attendance with his wife and fellow WLW competitor "NDN" Daniel Flynn.

 

This report was super-rushed, and I may have even left some stuff out. I apologize for any inaccuracies.

 

 

 

Thanks to Troy Butler for also sending along a report!