Something I hate

[Guest Insane Bump Machine]

These two guys are amazing. They are awesome athletes, everybody here will probably agree. But there's one thing I HATE about both guys:

 

the German Suplex. I HATE it! But I loved it once. Today I rewatched Benoit vs. Angle from WM 17 and I still love that match more than their most recent encounters. Why? Because it didn't have 10-20 Germans Suplexes in it. The move is dead if a wrestler can take it 5 times in a row and still kick out without a problem. It was cool when Benoit first used to do the Rolling Germans, but now it just irritates me. It pisses me off that Angle and especially Benoit only do German Suplexes nowadays. Where are the other suplex variations? Where is the Fisherman's Suplex? Northern Lights Suplex? T-Bone Suplex? Benoit's awesome Dragon suplex? Right now both guys, especially Benoit, irritate me because both only use Germans and have seemingly forgotten the other variations. I was really looking forward to Benoit vs. Guerrero at Armageddon, because I figured that Benoit would bust out some of his old stuff when he's up against Black Tiger. Yeah, we got the Wildbomb~! and it was a great match with a great finish, but Benoit again used, what, 6 German Suplexes?

 

It's really getting repetitive and I'm bored watching these guys, who are capable of so much more, do German Suplex after German Suplex after German Suplex...

 

A little variety dammit! It isn't that hard!

 

PS: I'm German, please excuse my sometimes poor grammar. Yeah, I get the irony

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

I agree. One of my favorite matches is Austin vs. Angle from RAW on Jan. 7 2001, and one of the reasons is Angle beats Austin's neck down with suplexes while using a strong variety. He uses belly-to-belly, German, gutwrench, etc., probably over the course of the match a half-dozen suplex variants. Now it seems all he does is the German suplex and maybe a belly-to-belly or something similar.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

WWE banned all those Suplex' and head drops years ago.

[Guest Insane Bump Machine]

WWE banned all those Suplex' and head drops years ago.

They did ban head drop moves (except for special occasions), but what's wrong about a gut wrench suplex? Fisherman's Suplex? T-Bone? Northern lights? Steiner uses the Northern Lights Suplex, I think.

[Guest Imarkout4chrisdaniels]

Remember Angle's whip that he held onto, brought you back into an overhead belly-to-belly? Where is that? I can see them not letting Benoit bust out the Dragon, but the others are relatively safe. While we are talking about it, hardly any of the major injuries over the last several years came from a Vertebreaker, Tombstone, Fire Thunder Driver, or Dragon suplex. Most were your freak accidents, or just wear and tear that will happen in the industry. McMahon should let the performers who can give and take the moves safely bring them back into their repertoire.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I agree with IBM, wholeheartedly. The whole "Let's abuse the German suplex" bit is one of the main reasons I really didn't like their Unforgiven match this year and am not all that shocked that some others just threw out 4 stars and screamed MOTYC.

 

Honestly, if it were more like their WM 17 or Austin/Angle from that January RAW last year that HMW mentioned, I would have loved it, but instead it just German-German-German-maybe a snap suplex or belly-to-belly-German-German-German. Talk about infuriating. After like the 8th German, I just gave the fuck up and messed around with some waitresses from Hooters til they did something original like the double submission.

[Guest bob_barron]

I'm also starting to get a little tired of German German German German.

 

It was cool when both did it to Austin and it was cool when they both did it in their match but now it's just getting old. If Benoit is gonna hit 6 Germans on Eddy- have it get the pin

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Agreed. Worst of all. both guys are capable of doing a array of suplexes and Benoit does 4 straight German Suplexes last week.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

I like when Benoit busts out the rollling Northern Lights suplex!

[Guest notJames]

I like his Rolling Hammerlock Suplexes a lot more.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

These two guys are amazing. They are awesome athletes, everybody here will probably agree. But there's one thing I HATE about both guys:

 

the German Suplex. I HATE it! But I loved it once. Today I rewatched Benoit vs. Angle from WM 17 and I still love that match more than their most recent encounters. Why? Because it didn't have 10-20 Germans Suplexes in it. The move is dead if a wrestler can take it 5 times in a row and still kick out without a problem. It was cool when Benoit first used to do the Rolling Germans, but now it just irritates me. It pisses me off that Angle and especially Benoit only do German Suplexes nowadays. Where are the other suplex variations? Where is the Fisherman's Suplex? Northern Lights Suplex? T-Bone Suplex? Benoit's awesome Dragon suplex? Right now both guys, especially Benoit, irritate me because both only use Germans and have seemingly forgotten the other variations. I was really looking forward to Benoit vs. Guerrero at Armageddon, because I figured that Benoit would bust out some of his old stuff when he's up against Black Tiger. Yeah, we got the Wildbomb~! and it was a great match with a great finish, but Benoit again used, what, 6 German Suplexes?

 

It's really getting repetitive and I'm bored watching these guys, who are capable of so much more, do German Suplex after German Suplex after German Suplex...

 

A little variety dammit! It isn't that hard!

 

PS: I'm German, please excuse my sometimes poor grammar. Yeah, I get the irony  

*nod*

 

I thought I was the only one on this board who groaned every time they started with that crap. Benoit used to _pin_ people with that move, and now it's lost all credibility so that the rubes can "count along." Really dumb.

 

It hurts the Austin/Benoit matches, too.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Its all because of that lauded Benoit-Austin Smackdown match in 2001 when Benoit hit the 10 straight Germans. It got, and has continued to get such a good reaction that it has become a standard spot. Angle needs to use the belly-to-belly more like he used to - his opponents would be gaining momentum and he'd just whip into the suplex to cut them off. It was a really good way of mixing up the pace of the match. I wouldn't mind some of these Germans leading into bridges either, that always makes them look more credible.

[Guest Brian]

It'd be nice if he bridged with it.

[Guest Mole]

I agree, people use the German too much.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Agreed--I was watching RVD vs. Benoit at Summerslam 2K2, and Benoit did a badass follow up on his shoulder work on RVD by putting him in a hammerlock, and grabbed it with his right arm while doing multiple Northern Lights Suplexes. The multiple suplexes seem to be a staple of his nowadays, but it was nice to see some variety there.

[Guest razazteca]

does it always have to be 3 of the same suplex every time? How about a change up like German-Tiger-Dragon.

[Guest AndrewTS]

does it always have to be 3 of the same suplex every time? How about a change up like German-Tiger-Dragon.

Good point--Benoit hardly ever uses the Dragon Suplex anymore, sadly.

[Guest El Satanico]

Well since this is WWE we shouldn't complain about any match with two good wrestlers.

 

However they do need to give guys like Beniot and Angle freedom in matches to do what they want. WWE should tell them that they can do anything they want as long as it leads to the desired finish.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

RVD winning the benoit match after the rolling hammerlock northern lights' is mainly why i hate the cocksucker. Well, and he's a cocksucker. I don't see any harm in all the germans, but they could do to have a dragon here and there. It's unlikely either guy would get injured if only those two used em. Benoit won't soon try the 'shinbreaker setup backdrop' again any time soon.

[Guest Insane Bump Machine]

Wow, I didn't expect so many people agreeing with me. It's getting to the point where I can't really give most of their matches much credit, because using the same boring spot which includes only one move over and over again isn't what I want to see in a wrestling match. The popular reviewers on the net don't seem to get bored by it though, which surprises me somewhat.

 

On a sidenote, I really liked Angle's match with the Big Show at Armageddon. He didn't do many Germans, but instead surprised me when he busted out stuff like a missile dropkick and a moonsault press(!!!). That's what I want to see. I totally marked out for these moves.

 

Overexposing once exciting moves seems to be a general problem in WWE. I wonder how long the fans will pop for Brock F5'ing big slugs if he does it every week...

 

On another sidenote, I just had a Benoit/Angle match in Smackdown: SYM and killed Angle with as many suplex variations as I could fit in. Good times.

[Guest tpww7]

Benoit has used the Dragon only twice in the WWF i believe. Once at Summerslam 2000 against Y2J and once at NWO 2001 in the 4 way.

[Guest LJSexay]

He used it on Angle on tv once back in May 2k1, I remember because when he released Angle, Angle landed on Regal.

 

AHHHH and at wm2k as well, on Angle, bridged version, BUT Angle kind of sold it terribly, as if he was dead, so his legs weren't up to count. yeh

[Guest CED Ordonez]

I do have to concur that the credibility of German suplex has been killed off worse than submissions in the WWE thanks to the overuse of the Rolling Germans spot.

 

While we're on the topic of movesets, why not bust out the non-suplex moves more often? Benoit busted out his out Pegasusbomb, AKA the "THAT'S a powerbomb" powerbomb, and Angle has a sweet looking missile dropkick. Then you could sell them as not only great technical wrestlers, but versatile as well.

[Guest MixxMaster]

Overexposing once exciting moves seems to be a general problem in WWE. I wonder how long the fans will pop for Brock F5'ing big slugs if he does it every week...

Probably no real difference...notice how they would STILL go nuts for the damn Stunner, everytime that idiot Austin uses that single move on the whole fuckin' locker room.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

Benoit has used the Dragon only twice in the WWF i believe. Once at Summerslam 2000 against Y2J and once at NWO 2001 in the 4 way.

Bull, he used it at Wm2000 as well, and a few other assorted times on TV that I can't remember. True he doesn't use it that often though.

[Guest Redhawk]

I agree that Benoit and Angle use the 3-Germans spot too much, but I think that it's a bigger problem than that.

 

When the WWF started running Smackdown in 1999, the process of EVERYTHING being overused began. Before the brand extension, they would have 4 hours instead of 2 every week to tell their stories and build up to PPVs, which were every month.

 

So with extra time meant more matches, which meant more rematches and more of seeing the same guys doing the same match. Remember when there was just RAW and you waited all week to watch wrestling? All of a sudden it seemed like it was on every other day, and it's hurt the product.

 

Every conceivable feud has been done. Every finishing move has been overused. The Germans are overused, the F-5, the Five-Star Frog Splash...all of it.

 

Which brings up another problem. When EVERY match ends via someone's finishing move, those get overused too.

[Guest webmasterofwrestlegame]

Its conditioning the fans to something.

 

The term 'less is more' is very relevant to wrestling.

 

Remember WMX8 with Taker v Flair - that super-plex spot popped the crowd be as they had been brawling and doing 'little' moves up to that point. They conditioned the crowd to those sort of moves in the build and then when the spot came, the crowd went for it.

[Guest Mole]

Benoit has used the Dragon only twice in the WWF i believe. Once at Summerslam 2000 against Y2J and once at NWO 2001 in the 4 way.

Damn, how do you remember stuff like that? I can't remember who won that match, let alone what suplex he used.

[Guest eiker_ir]

Benoit also used the Dragon Suplex against Regal on Raw in a tag match and against HHH at No Mercy 2000

[The Dames 0]

And the in the double title two falls match at WM 2000.

 

Dames