Has Angle peaked?

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Its already been what 4 years since he debuted and hes nothing short of awesome. But his moveset really hasnt grown to much IMHO. And so Im wondering has he peaked? I mean really how much better can he get.

 

Also think Angle could be the next Ric Flair?

[Guest Downhome]

Its already been what 4 years since he debuted and hes nothing short of awesome. But his moveset really hasnt grown to much IMHO. And so Im wondering has he peaked? I mean really how much better can he get.

 

Also think Angle could be the next Ric Flair?

Kurt Angle will be the next Bret/Flair, no doubt about it. In my view, he has characteristics of both of those guys, very much so. I also do not feel he has peaked. He has a LOT more that he can offer us before he does that. He may peak durring this year however, I sense that coming on. There is a catch however...

 

...once this guy does peak, I am willing to bet that he'll STAY peaked for a very long time.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

It's hard to say if he's peaked, he got so good so fast. And if he has peaked, who's to say he can't perform at this level for years to come. I most looking forward to Kurt Angle matches down the road over anything else. He's got more great years ahead.

[Guest Anglesault]

I thought he was pretty good with adding new moves. This year alone, he's regularized the pop up belly to belly and pop up Slam.

 

He also seems to do something different and new every match

 

Kurt Angle will be the next Bret/Flair,

HHH's sex slave or paranoid nut job. What a choice he has.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

My question is...what will is gimmick be in future years? He DID won a gold medal... back in '96. As each year passes his braggings of being an "olympic gold medallist" gets more and more stale.

 

Before anyone accuses me of being a non-Angle fan, I'd like to clarify that I was commentating on his GIMMICK not the wrestler.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

My question is...what will is gimmick be in future years? He DID won a gold medal... back in '96. As each year passes his braggings of being an "olympic gold medallist" gets more and more stale.

 

Before anyone accuses me of being a non-Angle fan, I'd like to clarify that I was commentating on his GIMMICK not the wrestler.

Kurt is a cheesy heel to begin with, so if anything it probably helps it out.

 

Along the same lines, Chris Harvard should look for something new soon, it's starting to go stale for him.

[Guest Downhome]

My question is...what will is gimmick be in future years? He DID won a gold medal... back in '96. As each year passes his braggings of being an "olympic gold medallist" gets more and more stale.

 

Before anyone accuses me of being a non-Angle fan, I'd like to clarify that I was commentating on his GIMMICK not the wrestler.

I think his character/gimmick will eventually become that of a champion. The Bret Hart character was basicly that of a champion, if you know what I mean, and I feel Angle will go the same route. He's the kind of guy who can either be the #1 heel or the #1 face, he's the kind of guy who can be entertaining as champion or chasing the title, he's the kind of guy who can work with anyone and pump out a good match with them, he's the kind of guy who has such an amazing level of in ring talent, that he can do something in each and every match, to keep it feeling fresh and new.

 

I agree with AS, Kurt does indeed seem to bring something new to the table each match, however big or small it may be.

 

Kurt Angle just looks like a champion to me, and that is gimmick/character enough for him if you ask me.

[Guest Nevermortal]

I hope that this injury doesn't slow him down, because if he does get bad, then he has peaked.

 

If the injury does slow him down and he deteriorates, when did he peak? 2000, 2001, or 2002?

 

I'm going with 2001's series with Austin.

[Guest Anglesault]

I think his character/gimmick will eventually become that of a champion. The Bret Hart character was basicly that of a champion, if you know what I mean, and I feel Angle will go the same route.

Damned hard to do a champion gimmick with with a perennial midcarder who will never get the one big push.

[Guest Downhome]

I think his character/gimmick will eventually become that of a champion. The Bret Hart character was basicly that of a champion, if you know what I mean, and I feel Angle will go the same route.

Damned hard to do a champion gimmick with with a perennial midcarder who will never get the one big push.

He's going to get that "one big push" this year AS, and do not forget that I said that. I guaren'damn'tee that he'll get it, and if he doesn't then, uh, then he doesn't. I really do feel he'll get it this year, it's begun already, and it will continue throughout the entire year of 2003...

 

...2003, the year of the RIGHT Angle.

[Guest red_file]

I think he's probably peaked within the environment he's currently in. Without better workers there's no reason to believe that he'll be able to produce anything better than what we've already seen, which is more than a little sad.

[Guest Downhome]

I think he's probably peaked within the environment he's currently in. Without better workers there's no reason to believe that he'll be able to produce anything better than what we've already seen, which is more than a little sad.

I don't think that at all. Just wait untill the guy has true motivation, a true fire lit under his ass. I have a feeling he has a LOT more to show us all, and we'll all be plesently suprised when he does so.

[Guest Nevermortal]

What's Angle gonna do after he loses to Brock at Mania?

 

I'm predicting an EDGE FEUD~!

[Guest the pinjockey]

Please don't feed the Anglesault.

[Guest Anglesault]

He's going to get that "one big push" this year AS, and do not forget that I said that.

Sounds eerily like this time last year.

 

I really do feel he'll get it this year, it's begun already, and it will continue throughout the entire year of 2003...

No,the big push has NOT started. Jobbing to Brock and going back to the midcard will not do it for him. However, this is very nice until they do push him.

 

...2003, the year of the RIGHT Angle.

Yes, we definately said that about 2002. What the hell happened?

[Guest red_file]

I don't think that at all. Just wait untill the guy has true motivation, a true fire lit under his ass. I have a feeling he has a LOT more to show us all, and we'll all be plesently suprised when he does so.

It's possible, but I'm doubtful. There's no reason to believe that he wasn't well motivated in the recent series with Benoit and Eddy. No reason to believe that he wasn't motivated when he and Benoit had their series a year ago (two years? when they had the ultimate submissions match). Good-to-great matches were produced when he seemed motivated and was working against other very skilled workers. More than likely if he continues to work with workers of the same level, he'll produce matches of comparable quality. Nothing wrong with that.

 

But consider the minor criticisms that were levied against the most recent series that the SD6 were involved in. Repetitiveness of spots, lack of psychology bridging matches, little innovation. These are not criticisms of the workers, but instead criticisms of the style they are forced to work within; a style that favors familiar spots to pop the crowd over deep psychology and innovation. The environment that Angle & co. are working in hampers their ability to produce classic level matches; they're reduced to merely wrestling good-to-great matches. Still very entertaining, but missing something.

 

If there isn't a stylistic change and an influx of better workers, I don't see how Angle will be able to produce better matches than he already has. Sheer force of will through his motivation? Possibly, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[Guest GameCop]

Peaked? Angle is improving every day. Did you see his match with the Big Show at Armageddon. Angle unleashed his swank dropkick and masterful moonsault. Wait 'til his match with Brock at 'Mania. You'll see a whole new side of Angle never seen before.

[Guest Brian]

As a WWE style worker, he's very close to peaking. And peaking where he is will only permit him to be so good.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Peaked? Angle is improving every day. Did you see his match with the Big Show at Armageddon. Angle unleashed his swank dropkick and masterful moonsault.

I wouldn't say he "unleashed" those moves because he HAS done them before...

 

 

Wait 'til his match with Brock at 'Mania. You'll see a whole new side of Angle never seen before.

Man... I have a bad feeling about how some people are building up Brock/Angle at WM to seemingly be this end-all/be-all match. More than likely, the WWE will find some way to fuck it up and we're all going to look like idiots for trusting Vince to actually do something right for a change.

[Guest Anglesault]

You must also consider something else. Brock really hasn't done anything that great! We are all getting excited over brock/Kurt over what kurt has done and what Brock can do.

[Guest Downhome]

What's Angle gonna do after he loses to Brock at Mania?

 

I'm predicting an EDGE FEUD~!

The Brock feud will be on again off again throughout all of 2003.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Wait 'til his match with Brock at 'Mania. You'll see a whole new side of Angle never seen before.

Man... I have a bad feeling about how some people are building up Brock/Angle at WM to seemingly be this end-all/be-all match. More than likely, the WWE will find some way to fuck it up and we're all going to look like idiots for trusting Vince to actually do something right for a change.

Agreed. I don't see how the match can be ground-breaking unless WWE allows them to break out of what they dictate to be 'main event style'. Heck, we don't know if Brock (and to a far lesser extent, Angle) is even capable of doing so.

[Guest Brian]

It's just not as good as Angle the underdog face vs. Brock the unstoppable heel. That had so much more of a story that was just there.

[Guest Human Fly]

It's just not as good as Angle the underdog face vs. Brock the unstoppable heel. That had so much more of a story that was just there.

 

Yeah. It's hard to take Brock as an underdog after he ran over the entire roster and got clean wins over almost anyone who mattered.

 

It also would've been better if Brock would've still been champ. Underdog Angle beats monster Brock after he had a 7 month title reign.

[Guest TheyCallMeMark]

I don't know if Angle has peaked or not, but as far as I can tell he hasn't improved since his last little Cage match against Edge, and that was four, five months ago now? I honestly don't see any difference in his work from then till now, and ordinarily that wouldn't be so bad for a wrestler. The thing is, he's been in matches with Benoit/Eddy/Chavo, the three men on SD! with good understanding of psychology at nearly every show. Same with Edge. They are obviously trying to get these guys an education, so that they learn to be the men on top someday (soon?). You can tell, every time you see Edge, he has improved, or is at least wrestling with how to sell right. Watch that SD Edge/Albert match, and you can see him falling into his old SE pattern, but then trying to sell, then out of habit doing a move again, then trying to sell for the move he shouldn't have done.

 

I would say that Angle had a long way to go before peaking, but the fact is his peers are either slowly surpassing him or are already well above him, while he appears to be content building to his anklelock.

[Guest Ram]

He needs to stop trying to gain muscle mass. I know the heads in the office like that shit, but he's gonna become the next Steiner if he gets any bigger.

[JasonX 0]

Damned hard to do a champion gimmick with with a perennial midcarder who will never get the one big push.

For someone who claims to be a Kurt Angle fan, you are one dumb, pessimistic bitch AS.....

 

HELLO? Angle's GOD PUSH when he first debuted in the WWE? The fact that said God push continued up until the fall of 2000 when his stealing Steph from HHH storyline got aborted?

[Guest Anglesault]

Damned hard to do a champion gimmick with with a perennial midcarder who will never get the one big push.

For someone who claims to be a Kurt Angle fan, you are one dumb, pessimistic bitch AS.....

 

HELLO? Angle's GOD PUSH when he first debuted in the WWE? The fact that said God push continued up until the fall of 2000 when his stealing Steph from HHH storyline got aborted?

And since then, he has been demoted to the midcard three or four times, forcing him to build himself back up. The point is to build him yup to the mains and KEEP him there, not bring him down to be Edge's (Or whomever) stepping stone every six months. That's counterproductive.

[Guest godthedog]

i can't believe this topic is even being debated.

 

1) kurt angle still has plenty of room to improve.

 

2) he wrestled better in 2001 than in 2000, and he wrestled better in 2002 than in 2001.

 

he will keep improving. end of story.

 

and i honestly don't know where all this "hasn't improved since edge's cage match" and "hasn't done anything new" stuff comes from. what about his match with benoit at unforgiven? yes, i know it was with chris benoit, but you can legitimately measure angle's improvement by comparing his different matches with the same person. unforgiven was better than any time they'd wrestled each other before: better than the iron man match, better than the 2/3 falls match, better than the cage match, better than the wrestlemania match. it also featured some spectacular "can you top this" psychology that i've never seen from angle before, & the amazing finisher reversal sequence that i've never seen anywhere before. surely benoit does not deserve all the credit for this.