Eminem hate...

January 4, 2003

1. Yes. All that quotating is making the page long as hell.

Right, good point. I'll fix that with the edits.

And I know, I just like to argue, thats all.

January 4, 2003

Emin who?

:checks watch:

yep it's getting close

January 4, 2003

Emin who?

:checks watch:

yep it's getting close

Don't get it.

January 4, 2003

Okay, I am not going to get across to you about this, no matter how long I argue. You are one stubborn bastard. You should have an argument with my friend Mike, you might enjoy that one actually.

Let's put it this way. Vanilla Ice was a terrible rapper, and Cena sounds just like him. If Eminem were to sound just like Ice and Cena, he wouldn't be still around, selling 22 million records all together.

To a person who doesn't listen to rap, you wouldn't really know who or what sounds good or not. It is like my mother, she doesn't listen to rap, so she says it all sounds the same. She loves flowers, but all flowers are the same to me.

Same type of deal. Do you get what I am saying?

That was my point from the beginning. It all sounds the same to me. Just guys cursing to the best of someone's old song. That's why I compared cena to the first White rapper that came to mind.

Obviously If I respected this genre I would be able to see differences. But I don't, so I don't.

January 4, 2003

What is up with the M&M hate? Simple. He is a cracker who is trying to act like he is from the hood. So he is a fucked up person. Whoopee. If he is so fucked up and had such a hard life he should go the fun route :

Shotgun + Head

Of course I will be waiting for the inevitable rape of some female fan that will send him to jail so some big black dude can show him what happens to a white guy trying to be black.

January 4, 2003

Emin who?

:checks watch:

yep it's getting close

Don't get it.

A reference to 15 minutes of fame.

Anyway. I'm indifferent to Eminem.

I had the first album, but grew tired of his voice (it's plain annoying to me) and his over-saturation into the public eye turned me off from him (I am NOT an "everything that's popular is bad" guy, but when you see and hear him everywhere, you get sick of him).

But two things though I don't like about Em:

1) His harping on how he's white. Yeah, he was the first immensely popular white rapper with constant success (Beastie Boys, I don't count). Congratulations on that Eminem, now shut the fuck up about it.

2) His harping on how he's America's role model and how he's so popular. I see the point he's getting to with these messages, rapping about them in a satirical way. But it's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy concerning these things, in that it only serves to get him attention from the very same media outlets he's addressing, which is a damn good marketing plan. And I forget the word, but when an ad slogan hammers into your head, so later on you can't forget the slogan and it eats away at you until you're tempted to buy the product. So, his rapping about being popular and shit, works in the same way, with help from the same media outlets. Yeah.

January 4, 2003

A reference to 15 minutes of fame.

Nope, Eminem isn't going away anytime soon. He is too damn good.

January 4, 2003

I hate Eminem because he's become a cartoon character. His first CD I thought was great. But ever since then he's become this stereotypical character that, instead of writing good songs, just tries to write something shocking or controversial. He's the token scary guy right now. But it's all a created act. TV shows get him on as a guest in hopes of having him say something controversial on their show. He obliges and then cashes his check. All his songs seem to be about these days is putting down other celebrities that he knows full well won't respond and call him the punk pussy asshole that he is. Ooh, make fun of Moby. That's rich. Great feud. Or he feuds with rappers that are way down on the totem pole so nobody will ever hear their side of the war, just Em's. Or he'll put down people like Britney and Christina but next thing you know he's hanging out with them at the MTV Awards after-party. I'd like one of these guys that are so "true" or whatever to actually prove it. That goes for all those guys like him and Fred Durst. People that always put down the pop acts and MTV crowd. If you're gonna constantly put down every single act that appears on MTV, how about YOU don't go on MTV? Don't host TRL and introduce videos by people you supposedly hate. Don't go accept their awards. Prove that really stand for what you claim to stand for and quit being a hypocrite. Before him it was Marilyn Manson that played the scary "IT" guy. Oooh, he's so scary and dangerous! Neither one of them is dangerous in the least. But at least Manson was IN on the joke. He understood that his act was a character that he played to make some money and to make himself famous. Eminem really thinks he IS this character that the media has created for him. He's just a joke to me now. I don't really care how good he is as a rapper. He's just a carefully controlled puppet and I can't take his act serious anymore and it's getting very old.

January 4, 2003

A reference to 15 minutes of fame.

Nope, Eminem isn't going away anytime soon. He is too damn good.

If talent meant anything than Third Bass would still be around. Eminem gets a GAS FACE!

January 4, 2003

I don't hate Eminem, yet I am not that big of a fan. The thing is, for all his blathering about how he did this and that because he was white, well how about the fact that Rap music has ALWAYS been a big hit to white kids ever since the explosion of rap music in the early 90's? Eminem hasn't broken any new ground at all. Yes he may sell 100,000 more than the last guy, but what does that mean. nothing~! Eminem needs to understand that, no one is scared of "thugs" anymore. He has skills, undoubtedly, however he comes off trying to balance being a superstar while still being a thug, which is quite ridiculous since 90% of the thugs in the REAL ERA of gangsta rap were exposed as being anything BUT real thugs. I guess I am just trying to say is that Eminem's brand of rap music is kind of irrelevent in today's music scene. He sells a lot of records because for one, he is one of the only mainstream artists that still trys to act "hard" Most mainstream artists are rapping about money and bitches, and Eminem is talking about beating this girl, or killing this person, so yah, it is gonna AUTOMATICALLY appeal to a lot of young teenagers right off the bat. There is some creativity in his rhyming, however he is EASILY outclassed by the majority of the rap artists on the college/underground circuit. Next week I will listen to the rap shows on the Davis station to try and get a list of names and songs that I feel are along Eminem's line of rap genre that I also feel are 10x better, but until then, you will just have to take my word for it....

-Word

January 4, 2003

I hate Eminem because he's become a cartoon character. His first CD I thought was great. But ever since then he's become this stereotypical character that, instead of writing good songs, just tries to write something shocking or controversial. He's the token scary guy right now. But it's all a created act. TV shows get him on as a guest in hopes of having him say something controversial on their show. He obliges and then cashes his check. All his songs seem to be about these days is putting down other celebrities that he knows full well won't respond and call him the punk pussy asshole that he is. Ooh, make fun of Moby. That's rich. Great feud. Or he feuds with rappers that are way down on the totem pole so nobody will ever hear their side of the war, just Em's. Or he'll put down people like Britney and Christina but next thing you know he's hanging out with them at the MTV Awards after-party. I'd like one of these guys that are so "true" or whatever to actually prove it. That goes for all those guys like him and Fred Durst. People that always put down the pop acts and MTV crowd. If you're gonna constantly put down every single act that appears on MTV, how about YOU don't go on MTV? Don't host TRL and introduce videos by people you supposedly hate. Don't go accept their awards. Prove that really stand for what you claim to stand for and quit being a hypocrite. Before him it was Marilyn Manson that played the scary "IT" guy. Oooh, he's so scary and dangerous! Neither one of them is dangerous in the least. But at least Manson was IN on the joke. He understood that his act was a character that he played to make some money and to make himself famous. Eminem really thinks he IS this character that the media has created for him. He's just a joke to me now. I don't really care how good he is as a rapper. He's just a carefully controlled puppet and I can't take his act serious anymore and it's getting very old.

Wow, I totally agree with your post...good stuff. I agree that when Eminem first hit the big time, he appealed to me. I didn't care that he was white, it was just some new funny rap guy that had his own style of rap. Then overnight he is suddenly "hard" and every single day and night on the TV you hear his comments slandering this person or that. I also don't understand why Eminem ever goes on MTV after all the bashing he does of it and all of MTVs acts. I also agree with your assesment of Manson in a similar situation. Manson knew the media was making a character out of him and just exaggertaing EVERYTHING, so he made a big joke out of it, whereas Eminem seems like he needs to live the part in order to sell more records.

January 4, 2003

This is too funny. Ok YES he is popular because he is a TALENTED WHITE RAPPER. A rare breed. YES he got over in the buisness and with the people because of his "Shock Value". Yet people seem to not "Get It" anymore. If you really listen to his music now, especially off "The Eminem Show" you would realize that he is relying on his actual lyrical skill more than the "Sock Value" of his songs. His songs tell stories, whether they be fact or fictions is always debateable but in my opinion the only songs he should be taken seriously in is the ones where he talks about his daughter and his love for her, or talks about him never expecting to affect kids in a negative way.

The guy has natural talent and no critic of his can take that away from him. He recently said that he thinks he is getting too big for his own good because he realizes the more popular he gets the more the fans will demand from him and the harder it will be for him to have a personal private life just like every other major Rock/Rap/Pop star or movie star these days. The guy is human, he has emotions like all of us, and just because he used a "Hate" gimmick earlier in his career doesnt mean he is a hateful person in rela life. He is getting rich off his early persona yet attracting NEW fans by changing his musical style. "Lose Yourself" is a perfect example of how he makes something Positive for a change. I know ALOT of people who never liked his first two albums because they were mostly just Hate Rants that were unneccesary, yet now with 8 Mile and the Eminem Show they have become fans because he doesnt NEED the shock value anymore, he is backing his shit up with his beats and lyrics.

I am mostly a rock fan myself but he is one rapper I enjoy because his songs are FUNNY for the most part. None of his songs except a few are meant to be taken seriously by anyone. They were made to give people something to either talk about, bitch about, or laugh at. That's pure genious if you ask me.

January 4, 2003

If talent meant anything than Third Bass would still be around. Eminem gets a GAS FACE!

Damn, you beat me to an MC Serch and Pete Nice reference ... I saw a thing about 3rd Bass where MC Serch said that since he was accepted into a black community, why would he rap about being white? I wish Eminem had the same mentality.

I agree that Eminem is going to lose some of his popularity, because he's going to get more "accepted" by the mainstream, and a lot of people who were into him because he was rebellious will begin to lose some of their interest. Just my guess.

January 4, 2003

Great talent, horrible human being. Its that simple. I met the guy, hes a fucking dick. But he makes great rap.

Your Paragon of Virtue · January 4, 2003

How can you tell that he is a horrible human being from meeting him once? We all have bad days...

Personally, I don't like him. I think he tries to act shocking for the sake of shocking people, as opposed to just being himself. He likes to have fun, and is very tongue in cheek, meaning I'm NOT supposed to take him seriously. That's something that most of his fans fail to recognize. Also, contrary to what was said earlier, that's the reason I dislike him, not because he's popular. Whoever used that as an excuse, why don't you use a valid argument, as opposed to just making half-ass assumptions. We already had a pretty big debate on this board about the reasons why most people tend to like stuff that's not mainstream. No need to rehash that theory again, because you'll probably be proven wrong again.

But I digress. I like hip-hop, I just like stuff that's deeper, like Mos Def, Dalek, Talib Kweli, etc. Missy Elliot's most recent CD smoked the Eminem Show too. Eminem isn't meant to be taken seriously...

January 4, 2003

Vanilla Ice wasn't so bad. He sold millions of records too, you know. Somewhere along the line, it just became the in thing to act like he was the worst musician ever.

As far as Eminem goes, I used to hate him(found his voice annoying, and a dumbass in real life), but he's starting to grow on me. My friends will rip on me to no end if I ever admit to liking him though.

January 4, 2003

I like Eminem and I'll tell you why: First of all, he's incredibly talented. In mainstream rap's current "Ice Age," he's something totally different; funny, self-effacing, outrageously violent, and unapologetic. There's more social commentary in Em's music than in that of any of his contemporaries, regardless of genre, and that's something I can't help but support. I'm not going to say that he's getting the kids that buy his music to think about the world around them differently, but the effort is there. And, yeah, there are contradictions and paradoxes in his lyrics that are hard to resolve. But, you know, there are contradictions in the Bible, too, and I hear a lot of people go for that.

January 4, 2003

I won't deny Eminem's talent, I just think he's a character. Alot of his stuff is mixed with fantasy and reality, he talks about killing people then he talks about his kid in an honest way which gets confusing in a bad way. He raps negatively about the mainstream yet he lives off it and has become a part of it, he accepts awards humbly as if they are actually important. He criticizes certain celebs in a way that makes him come off as immature and nothing more than a clown. He's not hardcore, he's a rapping popstar, just like Dr. Dre wasn't hardcore and was only promoting a persona who people bought into.

I saw a The Streets song on MTV2 yesterday, that was funny. Eminem has talent, how The Streets guy became successful I can't comprehend.

Your Paragon of Virtue · January 4, 2003

That's basically what I'm trying to get at; he seems amazing compared to other mainstream rap, but how can he not? He's talented, but he seems like too much of a cartoon character, and tongue in cheek bands generally have a short shelf life. But most kids tend to actually take him seriously, and regardless of what you might think, most kids DO change the way they look on life after listening to him.

January 4, 2003

The Eminem Show: 7.5 Million Records Sold.

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8 Mile Soundtrack: 3.5 Million Records Sold.

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8 Mile: 114+ Million to date.

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Signs 50 Cent to his Record Label, who is currently one of the best Rappers out right now.

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You figure it out...

January 4, 2003

Kids may change the way the look at life after listening to him but not in a profound way, they go through phases and Eminem's influence can be part of a phase. I remember sulking and dressing grungy way back when but I don't anymore because it was a phase and not a lifestyle, I still love 'grunge music" though because it was great.

January 5, 2003

Eminem is really talented in my opinion. I'm a fan of his, and I'll give the guy credit, he can make a good song when he wants to. The thing about him that gets people worked up about him is really in my opinion, just stupid everyday shit.

Just think about it. Everybody here has had a girlfriend that's cheated on them, done something to them, and they've gotten mad about it. To me he's voicing the same opinions, but instead he's shooting straight from his id. Same thing with his mom, everybody when they was younger got in trouble, got sent to there room or got a spanking or whatever, and of course you hated whoever it was for that moment. He's just voicing a very extreme opinion. Everybody hates boy bands? He does too. Some guys may be homophobic, or say "fag" when joking around. Again, he does too. He's just voicing his opinion on his relationships and other stuff, ocassionally hitting a world issue, and he's doing it to a really large audience.

Now that I've defended him, let me state why some people may not like Em. He really skirts the edge of TRL pop, even tho he states he's against it. Just think about it. Each Em cd has started off with some sort of really "pop" song that gets tons of play on pop radio, TRL. They have really catchy hooks and irritating (in that it gets stuck in your head) music. He panders to the audience he says he hates, and they love him for it.

January 5, 2003

How can you tell that he is a horrible human being from meeting him once? We all have bad days...

Well he was screaming at a guy working at 7-11 over something stupid. And i know others who met him who will say the same thing.

January 5, 2003

I listened to rap while in middle/high school and I don't care for much of what's currently out. However, Eminem is good at what he does.

What I particularly like about the controversy surrounding him are the outbursts by gay activists saying Eminem is engaged in "hate speech." Ummm, HELLO, there are plenty of anti-gay remarks in rap songs -- why single out the only white guy to appear on a Source cover?...

January 5, 2003

How can you tell that he is a horrible human being from meeting him once? We all have bad days...

Well he was screaming at a guy working at 7-11 over something stupid. And i know others who met him who will say the same thing.

what was he screaming at the guy about...

i mean i'd be pissed if i was charged the wrong price over a slurpee as well...

and yer friends would probably say something like that because they were unable to get an autograph or somethin... not everyone likes to be bothered by others every day of their lives.. maybe that was just one of his days

January 5, 2003

How can you tell that he is a horrible human being from meeting him once? We all have bad days...

Well he was screaming at a guy working at 7-11 over something stupid. And i know others who met him who will say the same thing.

what was he screaming at the guy about...

i mean i'd be pissed if i was charged the wrong price over a slurpee as well...

and yer friends would probably say something like that because they were unable to get an autograph or somethin... not everyone likes to be bothered by others every day of their lives.. maybe that was just one of his days

Well, just from what you hear about on the news, it's pretty fucking obvious he isn't the greatest guy on earth.

January 5, 2003

Yeah, but you can't blame him.

I bet money, every Eminem look a like goes up to him and tries to act like a fool in front of him.

As you know, I am a big fan of Em. However, I can't stand it when kids try to act like him. I know two people who idolize him. They dress like him and have pictures of him all over the place. Now that is just plain old dumb.

January 5, 2003

Part of being a celebrity, man. If he can't take, He can go the fuck away.

And is that why he's constantly in court? I don't know, i just always hear "Eminem back in court, news at 11!"

January 5, 2003

Yeah, I know what you are saying. I mean he is a prick in public, I shouldn't be defending him for that.

I just like his music, thats all.

January 5, 2003

If talent meant anything than Third Bass would still be around.

Now I have to download "Pop Goes the Weasel" again. I can't believe I forgot about that song.

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